It's not terribly significant, both rates still fall under the same classification according to fangraphs rating system.
Excellent 0.250
Great 0.200
Above Average 0.180
Average 0.145
Below Average 0.120
Poor 0.100
Awful 0.080
The 50 point difference is pretty large compared to the other criterion. Say you minus .02 ISO off both of them, is Swisher considered above average while Laroche is great? I mean just because they both fall under the same category does not mean that the numbers are that similar, get what I'm trying to say?
But either way Laroche's numbers were an anomaly compared to his career numbers.
Emilio Bonifacio - nov 15
On my way! para D.R... gracias a dios salio todo bien con mi examen fisico
translation:
On my way! for DR .. Thank God everything went well with my physical exam
Emilio Bonifacio - nov 15
On my way! para D.R... gracias a dios salio todo bien con mi examen fisico
translation:
On my way! for DR .. Thank God everything went well with my physical exam
He is going back home? No presser coming up anytime soon then introducing all those players?
Do they often hold pressers (with the players) for off-season acquisitions? Seems a pretty pointless reason to have players fly up to Toronto.
I am pretty sure teams often do hold pressers for off-season acquisitions. I am sure the players themselves would want to come up here and check the city out. You don't want to see the city for the first time only in April. You would want to pick a place already where you will be living. Don't want to do that just a few days before the opener, things are hectic enough at that time.
The 50 point difference is pretty large compared to the other criterion. Say you minus .02 ISO off both of them, is Swisher considered above average while Laroche is great? I mean just because they both fall under the same category does not mean that the numbers are that similar, get what I'm trying to say?
But either way Laroche's numbers were an anomaly compared to his career numbers.
I am pretty sure teams often do hold pressers for off-season acquisitions. I am sure the players themselves would want to come up here and check the city out. You don't want to see the city for the first time only in April. You would want to pick a place already where you will be living. Don't want to do that just a few days before the opener, things are hectic enough at that time.
They usually do it when they are done their moves and introduce everyone at once. AA not done.
Thinking of the comment re Tracy ruining pitchers' arms, was interested to read about the Brewers' program for keeping pitchers healthy. They seem to be doing something right...
Can't pull up the link right now, but saw it earlier today on MLBTR.
lol yes... you can believe these obscure stats provide all a definitive view of a players value. They don't btw but keep believing that.
The fact that the stats contradict themselves just speaks to their credibility.
Ah yes, the infamous "that stat disproves my point, it must be obscure!" argument. But hey, at least its better than totally misusing stats, such as:
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No... they really aren't. You have one guy playing in the most HR friendly ball park by far in the league for LH hitters and still hit 9 less home runs.
So Swisher actually showed more power on the road, and in his Yankee career he's hit 13 more HR on the road than in NYS. So while NYS is the most favourable park in the league to LHH, it clearly has no impact on Swisher.
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Swisher also played on the Yankees who had 70~ more runs and still didn't put up more RBI's.
Laroche had 194 PA (155 AB) with RISP, while Swisher had 181 PA (146 AB). So the Yankees may have scored more runs but Laroche had more optimal RBI opportunities.
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Finally Swisher is absolutely brutal defensively.
Laroche has certainly turned into a GG calibre 1B, but Swisher has provided league average defense there throughout his career and has been a plus defender in the OF the past two years, if the Jays were inclined to rotate DH three ways between him/Melky/Edwin.
So yes, Laroche may be better than Swisher, but for none of those reasons.
Ah yes, the infamous "that stat disproves my point, it must be obscure!" argument. But hey, at least its better than totally misusing stats, such as:
No I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong... I'm not wrong here however. You're using a stat that most people have never even heard of before never mind understand and it is a stat created to try and show a definitive number on how valuable a player was. I'm more than willing to look at stats and form an opinion, however finding some stats and claiming that makes it fact is ludicrous.
So Swisher actually showed more power on the road, and in his Yankee career he's hit 13 more HR on the road than in NYS. So while NYS is the most favourable park in the league to LHH, it clearly has no impact on Swisher.
Yes... but that was the point. He plays in by far the most HR friendly park in the league for LH hitters and couldn't capitalize on it. If Laroche was a yankee it's only logical to assume his HR numbers would be extremely inflated.
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Laroche had 194 PA (155 AB) with RISP, while Swisher had 181 PA (146 AB). So the Yankees may have scored more runs but Laroche had more optimal RBI opportunities.
It's closer than I would have though, but Swisher had 13 more at bats with multiple runners on than Laroche.
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Laroche has certainly turned into a GG calibre 1B, but Swisher has provided league average defense there throughout his career and has been a plus defender in the OF the past two years, if the Jays were inclined to rotate DH three ways between him/Melky/Edwin.
Swisher hasn't played 1B in years and he's been brutal in right for the yankees.
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So yes, Laroche may be better than Swisher, but for none of those reasons.
He's better because he's better. I've simply pointed out a few simple stats to show why he's better rather than trying to analyze each player with advanced metrics in order to try and find a definitive number for value.
Just an FYI for all the people wondering about a presser.... likely won't happen until closer to spring training when players will head to T.O to get their "summer" homes and such ready, introduce everyone at once. Or possibly once a manager is named, they do a big introduction then.
Talk about a deep lineup. Interesting to see he projects Lind to have a nice season.
Bautista and EE's RBI's seem lower.... with Reyes and Cabrera getting on base more in front of them, you'd think they could both break 100. I also see Bautista with like 45ish HR's
I'd put Reyes at a .300 avg
Cabrera at .285 avg
Bautista .270 with 40 homers
EE .280 with 35 homers
Bautista has hit over .260 once in his career. Regardless of the talent in the rest of the lineup, the chances of him making a 15-20 point jump from his career average are probably not good. The important thing with Joey Bats is that he'll hit a crapload of homers and he'll have a high OBP/OPS because he'll also draw a ton of walks.
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To be honest, I thinks you need a replacement for Happ more than Lind. If you are going to replace Lind you are either going to sign Swisher or trade JPA for a 1B (Dunn) Whereas getting a #5 is cheaper
To be honest, I thinks you need a replacement for Happ more than Lind. If you are going to replace Lind you are either going to sign Swisher or trade JPA for a 1B (Dunn) Whereas getting a #5 is cheaper
I think that Happ makes a very fine 5th starter. What more do you need from a 5th starter?
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I am hoping we try to flip Buerhle for some prospects and then get rid of Lind and use the saved money to bring in Greinke or Sanchez in Buerhle's place.
