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11-16-2012, 11:20 PM
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There is no way Team Canada takes Drouin Mckinnon Monahan Shinkaruk up front...they will/might take 2: Mckinnon and Monahan.

Replace Drouin and Shinkaruk by 2 BIG skating players- who, i dont know. Maybe Graovac or Ewanyk or A. Lowry or Di Guiseppe (every one seems to have forgotten about him) - We dont want to be pushed around by the Russians Swedes or Americans...

I don't want a team of Grinders...But i also don't want a team of 17 year olds...


And i doubt very much that RHN will go...my opinion
I agree for the most part. Monahan and shinkaruk are 18 they have late 94 birthdays. Also monahan has got pretty good size and skill to be a force. Shinkaruk may not have the size but is a offensive threat with the puck, not sure where he would fit in but I think he has a decent shot at making the team, my other choice as the 13th forward would be graovac who has more size then shinkaruk. Mackinnon is likely a sure thing, douin plays on Halifax with mackinnon and has 29 points in 14 games which is just over 2 points per game, He could be a solid line mate for mackinnon to play with. It will be a very intresting next couple of weeks, it should be a very competitive selection camp this year with some very talented players


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11-17-2012, 02:36 AM
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guesstimate

What I think will happen (with some explanation/commentary) based on Hockey Canada's tendencies. I'd personally love to see Adam Lowry, Drouin, Ryan Pulock but alas my dreams are slain by common sense.

Given that Canada has such depth in D prospects and a weak group of 94 forwards, I think it makes sense to go with 12F/8D. If Hockey Canada wants to give multiple draft-eligible forwards (Drouin/Shinkaruk/Domi/Lazar) a shot in selection camp then cool, but I think they should roll 8 deep on D.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - with a year of NHL experience, should be put with MacKinnon la Bergeron/Crosby in 2005.
Huberdeau - returning..
Ryan Strome - returning..
Mark Scheifele - returning..
Boone Jenner - the real forward locks end here. People saying any other forward is a lock are homers/trolls/idiots.
Ty Rattie - scores a ton, Good-Alberta-Boy should have made it last year on home-ice, should be top 6 winger.
Nathan MacKinnon - probs #1 pick, huge hype, should be 1st/2nd line winger rather than 13th forward.
Phillip Danault - great all around game. Possibly best defensive forwward on team.
Mark McNeill - don't know why he's not getting more mentions. 200 PTS in 230 CHL games (usually on crap PA Raider teams) so he can score, also terrific defensive game, was a top 20 pick, brings beef to small-ish team, was invited to camp last year.
Phil Di Giuseppe - I'd rather see Charlie Hudon, but they usually take a college guy, so congrats Phil.
Tom Wilson - not really a fan, doesn't score enough to justify 16th overall pick, but seems like an ideal 4th liner.
Sean Monahan - for me, edges out Shinkaruk because of size and better defensive game.

lines something like:
Huberdeau - Nuge - MacKinnon
Strome - Scheifele - Rattie
Di Giuseppe - Jenner - McNeill
Danault - Monahan - Wilson

Dougie Hamilton - best D-Man outside NHL?? Playing in OHL is unfair.
Ryan Murray - returning.
Scott Harrington - returning.
Ryan Murphy - token "Player-from-coach's-team"
Morgan Rielly - only flaw is bizarre spelling of last name.
Xavier Ouellet - logs big minutes, moves puck, solid defense.
Griffin Reinhart - Hockey Canada gets off on tall blueliners (see: Oleksiak, Jamieson)
Mathew Dumba - I think Dumba has captained Canada twice at U18 level, scores lots of goals, throws huge hits. Can't believe I'm leaving Ceci off with eight defensemen.

Pair em however you like. Didn't Rielly & Reinhart play together as kiddies, that would be a cute pair.

Malcolm Subban - everyone's presumed starter.

As we saw last year, as far as goalies go, if you get invited to camp, its often whoever does best there who makes the team. So its really a toss-up between Brossoit/Binnington/whoever else you like.
But for everyone pushing Fucale, remember that no draft-eligible goalie has made the team since Marc-Andre Fleury in '03. Carey Price (5th overall in 2005) didn't make WJC year before his draft. So I guess my point is Fucale would have to be damn impressive to make it.

Sorry for posting a novel.

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11-17-2012, 03:13 AM
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I'm going to work under the assumption that the NHL is playing.

Anyway.



Drouin - Mackinnon - Rattie
Shinkaruk - Strome* - Ritchie
Danault - Jenner - Wilson
Hudon - Mcneill - Di Giuseppe

13th: Monahan

Murray* - Siemens
Rielly* - Reinhart
Harrington - Ouelett

7th: Murphy


Subban
Binnington


* may be in NHL

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11-17-2012, 06:49 AM
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What I would like to see

Huberdeau, RHN, strome
Drouin, mackinnon, rattie
Monahan, schiffle, Ritchie
Danault, jenner , Wilson
Shinkaruk

Hamilton, Harrington
Murray, riely
Murphy, rienhart
Oullette

Subban
Binnington
sounds like just about everyone is all around the same lineup.
we may have RHN or not, hudon? Di Giuseppe? mc neill? Lowry? Graovac? depends what the coachs want of a role player, but i would be surprised if anyone else comes out of the woodwork.

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11-17-2012, 08:32 AM
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What I believe the line-up would be.

Huberdeau-RNH-Mackinnon
Drouin-Scheifle-Rattie
Strome-Monahan-Wilson
Danault-Jenner-Ritchie
Shinkurak

Hamilton-Harrington
Reinhart-Murray
Dumba- Reilly

Subban
Broissant
Binnington

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11-17-2012, 09:17 AM
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When are camp rosters announced typically?

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11-17-2012, 09:25 AM
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What I think will happen (with some explanation/commentary) based on Hockey Canada's tendencies. I'd personally love to see Adam Lowry, Drouin, Ryan Pulock but alas my dreams are slain by common sense.

Given that Canada has such depth in D prospects and a weak group of 94 forwards, I think it makes sense to go with 12F/8D. If Hockey Canada wants to give multiple draft-eligible forwards (Drouin/Shinkaruk/Domi/Lazar) a shot in selection camp then cool, but I think they should roll 8 deep on D.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - with a year of NHL experience, should be put with MacKinnon la Bergeron/Crosby in 2005.
Huberdeau - returning..
Ryan Strome - returning..
Mark Scheifele - returning..
Boone Jenner - the real forward locks end here. People saying any other forward is a lock are homers/trolls/idiots.
Ty Rattie - scores a ton, Good-Alberta-Boy should have made it last year on home-ice, should be top 6 winger.
Nathan MacKinnon - probs #1 pick, huge hype, should be 1st/2nd line winger rather than 13th forward.
Phillip Danault - great all around game. Possibly best defensive forwward on team.
Mark McNeill - don't know why he's not getting more mentions. 200 PTS in 230 CHL games (usually on crap PA Raider teams) so he can score, also terrific defensive game, was a top 20 pick, brings beef to small-ish team, was invited to camp last year.
Phil Di Giuseppe - I'd rather see Charlie Hudon, but they usually take a college guy, so congrats Phil.
Tom Wilson - not really a fan, doesn't score enough to justify 16th overall pick, but seems like an ideal 4th liner.
Sean Monahan - for me, edges out Shinkaruk because of size and better defensive game.

lines something like:
Huberdeau - Nuge - MacKinnon
Strome - Scheifele - Rattie
Di Giuseppe - Jenner - McNeill
Danault - Monahan - Wilson

Dougie Hamilton - best D-Man outside NHL?? Playing in OHL is unfair.
Ryan Murray - returning.
Scott Harrington - returning.
Ryan Murphy - token "Player-from-coach's-team"
Morgan Rielly - only flaw is bizarre spelling of last name.
Xavier Ouellet - logs big minutes, moves puck, solid defense.
Griffin Reinhart - Hockey Canada gets off on tall blueliners (see: Oleksiak, Jamieson)
Mathew Dumba - I think Dumba has captained Canada twice at U18 level, scores lots of goals, throws huge hits. Can't believe I'm leaving Ceci off with eight defensemen.

Pair em however you like. Didn't Rielly & Reinhart play together as kiddies, that would be a cute pair.

Malcolm Subban - everyone's presumed starter.

As we saw last year, as far as goalies go, if you get invited to camp, its often whoever does best there who makes the team. So its really a toss-up between Brossoit/Binnington/whoever else you like.
But for everyone pushing Fucale, remember that no draft-eligible goalie has made the team since Marc-Andre Fleury in '03. Carey Price (5th overall in 2005) didn't make WJC year before his draft. So I guess my point is Fucale would have to be damn impressive to make it.

Sorry for posting a novel.
VERY NICE - very nice....

But i would remove the 8th D and put in a 13th F (Graovac or another BIG good skater F) and bring Comrie as backup to Subban - he looks sharp, other than that...

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11-17-2012, 10:05 AM
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I was in the building last night, outside his one flash he was very poor, decision making, passing, etc

I like him a lot as a prospect, but he's not a lock...he was very Ryan Murphyesque this series, one really good game and one really bad one.

I have him on my roster, but he's by no means a 'lock'.
Ok, just for the moment, let's forget the obvious fact that Rielly's speed and puck rushing makes him an incredibly essential commodity on the big international ice surface and that he will have more room to skate around.

Steve Spott has seen first hand what Rielly can do. Not only this past summer, but the summer before at the Ivan Hlinka when Spott won gold with Rielly as one of his best defenceman at the tournament. Which would explain why Rielly got the invite in the summer over players like Pouliot and Koekkoek despite the short sample size of games he had last season. Prendergast went on record saying Rielly was one of their best defenceman at the summer series (while he was at a game where Rielly had a 5 point night in a 9-1 moose jaw win.)

Add in the fact Rielly is near the top in defenceman scoring in the WHL, the fact that Bob Mckenzie said he was easily the best player on the ice for either team on the ice in the first game of the super series, the fact that Steve Spott said Rielly was great in the series, the fact Rielly hasn't disappointed him in international competition yet and I can pretty much guarentee he is a lock for this team.

Edit: Plus with all the attention and hype he is getting (whether he deserves it or not), it would be almost impossible not to take him.

http://www.discovermoosejaw.com/inde...ews&Itemid=860

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...090508169.html

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11-17-2012, 01:20 PM
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I didn't do any research or read the thread to be honest but I take a stab every year. Last couple years I've been way way off and the teams have been real real bad but here's my shot:
Goalies:
- Malcolm Subban
- Jordan Binnington

Defense:
- Ryan Murphy
*- Ryan Murray
- Morgan Rielly
*- Dougie Hamilton
- Griffin Reinhardt
*- Scott Harrington
- Matt Dumba

Forwards:
- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
*- Jonathan Huberdeau
*- Ryan Strome
*- Mark Scheifele
*- Boone Jenner
- Ty Rattie
- Nathan MacKinnon
- Sean Monahan
- Brett Ritchie
- Seth Griffith
- Charles Hudon
- Mark McNeill
- Tom Wilson

Huberdeau - Nugent-Hopkins - MacKinnon
Scheifele - Strome - Rattie
Jenner - McNeill - Wilson
Griffith - Hudon - Ritchie
Monahan

Murphy - Murray
Hamilton - Harrington
Rielly - Reinhardt
Dumba

Subban
Binnington

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11-17-2012, 01:49 PM
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ryan murphy doesn't deserve to make the team. but he will.

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It seems Ryan Murray suffered a separated shoulder last night in Victoria, what is the timetable for an injury like that? Could change some things for Team Canada.

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It seems Ryan Murray suffered a separated shoulder last night in Victoria, what is the timetable for an injury like that? Could change some things for Team Canada.
Could be anything from a week to 3 months. Just mild separations dont take much time at all, but a bad dislocation could be a long time

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Come on Rielly is universally hyped, and rightfully so. You guys are turning into Ottawa with the whole Mark Stone thing
..and guess who led Team Canada in scoring?

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It seems Ryan Murray suffered a separated shoulder last night in Victoria, what is the timetable for an injury like that? Could change some things for Team Canada.
where did you hear this?

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Could be anything from a week to 3 months. Just mild separations dont take much time at all, but a bad dislocation could be a long time
Ye I think the average timetables given are 6-8 weeks or 8-10 weeks.

Only 1 other player has ever made the U20 team injured and it was last year. As much as Murray can bring to the table, with the solid group of D-men available I'd take many others at 100% > Murray at 70%

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Apparently it is dislocated not separated.
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According to @RickJValette White City product Ryan Murray dislocated his shoulder in last nights Everett/Royals game. More details to come.

I live in Victoria and follow the Royals. I heard about him leaving the game after a hit and looked into it.


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Apparently it is dislocated not separated.
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According to @RickJValette White City product Ryan Murray dislocated his shoulder in last nights Everett/Royals game. More details to come.

I live in victoria and follow the royals and heard about him leaving the game after a hit and looked into it.
If it is dislocated he is out for sure.

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If it is dislocated he is out for sure.

It is 6 weeks before the start of WJC and about 7 weeks before the start of the important WJC games...

So, there is plenty of time (depending the type dislocation/severity). Last year Huberdeau broke his foot on Nov 5 and started skating on Dec 15...thats 6 weeks...which is worse?

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Ye I think the average timetables given are 6-8 weeks or 8-10 weeks.

Only 1 other player has ever made the U20 team injured and it was last year. As much as Murray can bring to the table, with the solid group of D-men available I'd take many others at 100% > Murray at 70%
I think Jonathan Drouin had a shoulder injury this season that kept him out of the line up for 6 games (about 3 weeks)...Can anyone validate the type of injury he had?

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I think Jonathan Drouin had a shoulder injury this season that kept him out of the line up for 6 games (about 3 weeks)...Can anyone validate the type of injury he had?
Both Jeff Carter and Lupul where out for 4 weeks last season with a separated shoulder...If it is NOT to serious than 4 weeks seems to be the number...Lets hope its not to serious for Murray...

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From Bob Mackenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie)
Prognosis on Ryan Murray's dislocated shoulder will be known in next 48 hours, after he gets an MRI to see extent of the damage.

Dr. McKenzie says shoulder dislocations are tricky. Depends how much damage done. Some rebound quickly, others require surgery. MRI key now.


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The loss of Murray would huge...

I think Drouin will make it...

It would be a mistake not to take him.

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The loss of Murray would huge...

I think Drouin will make it...

It would be a mistake not to take him.
Gonna need a couple injuries or an agreement between the NHL and NHLPA for that to happen IMO... Unless they take 3 scoring lines

Loss of Murray makes it..

Harrington - Hamilton
Rielly - Ouellet
Reinhart - Murphy
Dumba
Corrado


??
That is, if Murray's injury is 7 weeks +

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Strome - RNH - Huberdeau
Drouin - Scheifele - MacKinnon
Danault - Monahan - McNeill
Hudon - Jenner - Wilson

Hamilton - Murray
Rielly - Reinhart
Harrington - Ouellet

Subban
Brossoit

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Huberdeau - Nugent-Hopkins - Strome
Drouin - Scheifele - Mackinnon
Shinkaruk - Monahan - Rattie
Jenner - Danault - Wilson
Di Giuseppe

Murray - Hamilton
Rielly - Harrington
Reinhart - Dumba
Ceci

Subban
Binnington

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