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11-17-2012, 02:26 PM
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@TGfireandice: More contact today between Bill Daly and Steve Fehr. No definitive plans to meet yet.

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11-17-2012, 02:28 PM
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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks' Jonathan Toews to TSN 1290 in Winnipeg: "(The owners) have their plan and they’re sticking to it."

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11-17-2012, 02:34 PM
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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks' Jonathan Toews to TSN 1290 in Winnipeg: "(The owners) have their plan and they’re sticking to it."


This guy needs to shut up.

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11-17-2012, 02:36 PM
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This guy needs to shut up.
Every time he opens his mouth, someone from the PA should slam it shut.

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11-17-2012, 02:36 PM
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@andystrickland: Bill Daly says he expects negotations to resume shortly and that there wasn't much truth to #NHL looking to take a two week break #NHLPA
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Last word from #NHL sources is there are no plans to meet and tales of discord among owners are a 'union fantasy'
Daly says one thing, Grange's NHL sources say another...

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11-17-2012, 02:42 PM
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Daly says one thing, Grange's NHL sources say another...
Daly said he thinks they'll meet soon, and Grange says no meetings are planned yet. Two different things

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11-17-2012, 02:55 PM
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Bill Daly says he expects negotations to resume shortly and that there wasn't much truth to #NHL looking to take a two week break #NHLPA
Boom count it

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11-17-2012, 02:57 PM
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I knew there was a YouTube video that perfectly characterizes the negotiations to date...

http://youtu.be/hnTmBjk-M0c

(Someone smarter than me can feel free to embed this. I've never been able to get this feature to work here!)

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11-17-2012, 02:57 PM
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But the owners aren't bearing all the costs of producing that product - they are getting assets that are almost fully produced before they pay out a single penny.
So who, if not the owners, are paying the players' salaries, travel expenses, food expenses, ect.?

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11-17-2012, 03:03 PM
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Let me put this in terms that will not boggle your mind.

A bigger kid comes up to you in the school yard and demands that you give him a quarter or he will beat you up. Are you willing to forfeit your physical well-being just for a quarter? However if you give up the quarter today, do you think the bigger kid isn't going to ask for more tomorrow?

Now let me put this in terms how this type of situation has personally cost my family. Over a decade ago the strike of my wife's union collapsed. Since that time there has been absolutely no increase in salaries (thus, with inflation a loss in salary). Each time the contract comes up for renewal, the benefits keep changing for the worse, both fewer benefits and the employer contributes less. The employer can do it and does do it because they know the union is not strong enough to take their lumps in another strike.

Taking the short term route of appeasement is often long term stupid, and gets you the legacy of a Neville Chamberlain. Sometimes you need a leader who can say "we shall never surrender."
Actually it's like a bully coming and saying, "give me an avg 300K and I'll give you an avg of 2.1M to play hockey for a living."

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11-17-2012, 03:04 PM
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B. Richards, White, Toews can keep on talking. It only makes them look worse with every word

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11-17-2012, 03:08 PM
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Actually it's like a bully coming and saying, "give me an avg 300K and I'll give you an avg of 2.1M to play hockey for a living."
Change that 300k to "everything"

Does it change anything in your mind?

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11-17-2012, 03:08 PM
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I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that Toews quote

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11-17-2012, 03:09 PM
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There was no 50/50 offer on the table for them to agree to in the summer. In the summer, they were being offered 43% - a 14% reduction in HRR , 24.5% less relative to their previous share. Bettman has looked like a jerk ever since.
You're right. Fehr waited until games started getting canceled to talk to the league.

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but the owners aren't bearing all the costs of producing that product - they are getting assets that are almost fully produced before they pay out a single penny.

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11-17-2012, 03:19 PM
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Who was it that even suggested there was going to be a two week gap?

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11-17-2012, 03:22 PM
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Who was it that even suggested there was going to be a two week gap?
Bettman.

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11-17-2012, 03:23 PM
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Who was it that even suggested there was going to be a two week gap?
Fehr told Bettman " I don't know where we go from here"

So Bettman said " how about a 2 week break"

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11-17-2012, 03:30 PM
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Change that 300k to "everything"

Does it change anything in your mind?
How the hell is a 7% reduction in HRR "everything"?

The owners want to pay the players an average of ~2.1M a year to ****ing play hockey. Those ********!

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11-17-2012, 03:32 PM
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I would be shocked if we had a CBA agreement in the next month.

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11-17-2012, 03:33 PM
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Not sure if this was already posted

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...nference-call/

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11-17-2012, 03:38 PM
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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks' Jonathan Toews to TSN 1290 in Winnipeg: "(The owners) have their plan and they’re sticking to it."
Good. Now's not the time to waver from the long-term fiscal objective.

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11-17-2012, 03:39 PM
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As per @darenmillard,NHL and PA have tentatively set up meeting on Monday to resume talks.#somuchformoratorium

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Not sure if this was already posted

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...nference-call/
Very intersting

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11-17-2012, 03:40 PM
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Nothing confirmed in stone but looks like it will be the full compliment. Bettman, Daly, owners with both Fehrs and players. #Sportsnet

This could turn ugly, again.

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