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Nucks by trading Luongo can attempt to address 3 major depth areas:
1. 3rd line center: Bozak
2. Depth defender with a manageable contract: Gunnarson
3. Depth winger or prospect: CMac, 2nd round pick or a B forward prospect like Colborne
I dont really see depth defender a pressing issue either.
The top-4 is set, and I think most people are fine with Ballard/Tanev seeing top-4 minutes (in the event of injuries). You then have Alberts, Joslin, Connauton, Sauve who fill your 7-10 spot.
If it is a depth defender, its probably an "Aaron Rome" type.
Our winger depth is fine (as far as full timers go) but NHL ready prospects on ELC's would be of value.
So a guy like Ashton could be a target, Biggs (I know hes OHL, but for the future).
If your (lets say) Steve Tambellini and Luongo gets traded for nothing (lets say Colborne + 2nd) do you not think your going to get in trouble for not beating that offer?
Tanev started with Hamhuis last playoffs. The Canucks believe he is capable of playing 20 minutes a night. Just not on the PP, but we could shelter Connauton at 5-on-5 and let him try his hand at the PP. I think Tanev has proved he can handle the minutes. AV seems to think so... even the stats suggest he is a defensive stud, or at least defensively sound.
If your (lets say) Steve Tambellini and Luongo gets traded for nothing (lets say Colborne + 2nd) do you not think your going to get in trouble for not beating that offer?
Maybe, maybe not. There are so many variables. Perhaps Gillis values Colborne too highly and the Oil would actually have needed to give up something much more valuable in their opinion. Perhaps Oil management simply doesn't want to tie up that kind of money for that long of term on an aging goalie (not old, but his prime is limited now). Perhaps Katz actually has no issue with his GM doing his job as GM and trusts that if Tambo doesn't make that deal, there's good reason for it. Or maybe (and this one is hard to believe according to most HF'rs), the Oilers are actually happy with Dubnyk. We are not talking about Crosby or Malkin here, its Luongo.
So according to you guys Bertuzzi coming off a 71 point season was a former shell of himself?
What's Kulemin worth coming off a 7 goal season?
If you don't realize that there was much, much more to it than his point totals, well...then you really shouldn't be acknowledged in this conversation at all. It was well known that Bert needed a move out of Vancouver for the sake of his mental well being.
If you don't realize that there was much, much more to it than his point totals, well...then you really shouldn't be acknowledged in this conversation at all. It was well known that Bert needed a move out of Vancouver for the sake of his mental well being.
well Toronto fans were saying the reason Kulemin did soo poor had more to do than with his point totals as well
If you don't realize that there was much, much more to it than his point totals, well...then you really shouldn't be acknowledged in this conversation at all. It was well known that Bert needed a move out of Vancouver for the sake of his mental well being.
Do you not think 28 other teams would have been willing to take a gamble on him?
If you don't realize that there was much, much more to it than his point totals, well...then you really shouldn't be acknowledged in this conversation at all. It was well known that Bert needed a move out of Vancouver for the sake of his mental well being.
Kulemin's mental being isn't in great shape either.
Bertuzzi's regression was based on injuries, the whole Moore incident/depression is overblown.
If you don't realize that there was much, much more to it than his point totals, well...then you really shouldn't be acknowledged in this conversation at all. It was well known that Bert needed a move out of Vancouver for the sake of his mental well being.
This just proves the Value more than ever, Bert fetched Lui who at the time many believed was the best young goalie in the NHL. and he "needed to be traded". So whats the difference in Lui now? Just the contract. Even the age isn't much difference as he should still have at least 4 years of high caliber play, most likely more.
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But would he value a guy like Biggs, who was 22nd in 2011, more than lets say a pick probably between 15-20 overall in 2013/2014
I think it always depends on upside/talent. If one projects to be a higher end player you go with them.
Of note: Ryan Parent was traded from Philly to Nashville for Dan Hamhuis before both came to Vancouver. Two careers on significantly different paths through those three cities.
Heck you should throw the rest of the deals between Floida and Vancouver in there as well....and most importantly the production that was realized by the players and any asset they were eventually traded for....
David Booth, Steve Reinprecht and a third-round draft-pick in 2013 to the Vancouver Canucks for Mikael Samuelsson and Marco Sturm.
Chris Higgins for Evan Oberg + 2012 3rd Round Pick
Keith Ballard and Vic Oreskovich for Michael Grabner, 2010 1st round pick (Howden), and Steve Bernier
So according to you guys Bertuzzi coming off a 71 point season was a former shell of himself?
What's Kulemin worth coming off a 7 goal season?
From a neutral perspective I don't think Kulemin will be moved in a Luongo deal. He has size, pretty good skating and is above average defensively on a very poor defensive team. Even with the season he had last year, he would still be an excellent third line player. I think Toronto would try to move other pieces rather than Kulemin. Players like that are too rare and should not moved in a deal imo.
From a neutral perspective I don't think Kulemin will be moved in a Luongo deal. He has size, pretty good skating and is above average defensively on a very poor defensive team. Even with the season he had last year, he would still be an excellent third line player. I think Toronto would try to move other pieces rather than Kulemin. Players like that are too rare and should not moved in a deal imo.
And elite goaltenders are easier to find than great third liners?
I'd prefer Lupul to Kulrmin anyways, as we need some pure offense added in our top-6, as our bottom-6 is fairly set, with the exception of a 3C.
Although I wouldn't mind starting the season with Malhotra there to see if he's able to handle it; if not try Schroeder out, otherwise aquire one at the deadline.
Ya I did suggest that a couple pages back, calling it a live and die situation. Scrivens this year can barely hold his job in AHL, even if you stick with Reimer not sure who is going to back him up. It's fair enough that you believe in Reimer it's your opinion. I don't think he will be a long term starter in this league, and that is my opinion. Agree to disagree.
A backup goalie is easy enough to find.
If Burke didn't believe in his ability to be a long term starter in this league, he wouldn't have gone into last year with a tandem of Reimer/Gustavsson.
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Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby
Nucks by trading Luongo can attempt to address 3 major depth areas:
1. 3rd line center: Lombardi
2. Depth defender with a manageable contract: Franson
3. Depth winger or prospect: CMac, 2nd round pick or a forward prospect like Kadri
Fixed. In fact, I wouldn't be completely surprised if Gillis were able to get all 3.
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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale
And elite goaltenders are easier to find than great third liners?
I'd prefer Lupul to Kulrmin anyways, as we need some pure offense added in our top-6, as our bottom-6 is fairly set, with the exception of a 3C.
Although I wouldn't mind starting the season with Malhotra there to see if he's able to handle it; if not try Schroeder out, otherwise aquire one at the deadline.
The thing is... you just can't get Lupul. He's not in a position to be traded at the present time, and the season is going to be too short in terms of time before deadline for him to fall out of favour.
If Burke didn't believe in his ability to be a long term starter in this league, he wouldn't have gone into last year with a tandem of Reimer/Gustavsson.
Fixed. In fact, I wouldn't be completely surprised if Gillis were able to get all 3.
The thing is... you just can't get Lupul. He's not in a position to be traded at the present time, and the season is going to be too short in terms of time before deadline for him to fall out of favour.
Here seems to lie the difference of opinions. He went one year with them and it failed. Burke himself even said goaltending was a place they needed to upgrade. So is he still satisfied and thinking Reimer is capable of being the number 1?
We are not talking about Crosby or Malkin here, its Luongo.
I know Luongo isn't Crosby or Malkin but you shouldn't undervalue him either.
In a GM pole the year after Luongo got here, he was voted behind Crosby and Ovechkin and ahead of Malkin as the player GMs would want as a building block for a new franchise. Since then Luongo has won a Gold Medal and two Presidents trophies as a stater.
Do not undervalue Luongo, he's a big reason this team is a contender team instead of a middle of the pack team. Trading him without knowing that Schneider can maintain that same level is dangerous. Taking that risk without getting great value back is foolish.
