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More Impressive Rookie Season: Selanne vs Gretzky

View Poll Results: Who had the more impressive rookie season?
Teemu Selanne 89 66.42%
Wayne Gretzky 45 33.58%
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11-17-2012, 08:40 PM
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More Impressive Rookie Season: Selanne vs Gretzky

Who had the more impressive rookie season, Teemu Selanne or Wayne Gretzky?

Has anyone else had a more impressive rookie season than either of these 2 or close to?

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11-17-2012, 08:47 PM
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Gotta go Selanne. 72 goals with no prior pro experience is something you rarely see in video games let alone real life.

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11-17-2012, 08:47 PM
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Selanne had easily the better rookie season. This of course does not offset the fact the Gretzky was the greatest to ever play. I don't see how any other answer could be possible.

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11-17-2012, 09:09 PM
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Mark Howe should also be in this discussion if we're going to include ineligible rookies from the WHA. Ray Bourque and Nicklas Lidstrom also belong as legit rookies.

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11-17-2012, 10:01 PM
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The record books say Selanne. His 75 goals topped Gretzky's rookie years in both the WHA & NHL. Total points were close @ 132 - 137 & Gretz already had a year of pro under his belt.

#99 is the better player but Teemu had the hotter rookie year. The rookie records are the few that Gretzky couldn't shatter as the NHL didn't consider him a rookie when Edmonton entered the NHL.

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11-17-2012, 10:15 PM
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Selanne. 72 goals is just unreal.

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11-17-2012, 10:16 PM
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For the record, everyone...

Selanne had 76 goals and 56 assists.

Not 72, not 75.


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For the record, everyone...

Selanne had 76 goals and 36 assists.

Not 72, not 75.
56 assists

Just so we're all square, Selanne's rookie statline was 84GP, 76G, 56A, 132P

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11-17-2012, 10:26 PM
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Teemu for sure best rookie season EVER

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11-17-2012, 10:42 PM
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If we're going with most impressive, I would go with Gretzky.

That 92/93 season is probably the number one season for over-inflated point totals; Selanne was 5th in scoring in the league, but there were over 20 players with 100+ points that season (within about 30 points of Selanne). Gretzky tied for first in the league in scoring and the 4th place scorer in the league was over 30 points behind him. Most importantly though, Gretzky was 3 or 4 years younger than Selanne in his rookie season.

Selanne putting up 76 goals is unreal, but I think Gretzky coming in as a teenager and leading the league in scoring, while putting up over 50 goals as well, is more impressive.

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11-17-2012, 10:58 PM
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Anyone know where Selanne finished in Hart voting his rookie year?

EDIT: According to this thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=580463

He finished 6th in Hart voting. Gretzky won the Hart in his rookie year.

Like Trap Jesus mentioned above, that season was a really high scoring season.

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don't even know 99's rookie stats, but I saw Selanne's year in bits and pieces and no one will ever convince me that wasn't the GOAT rookie season

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Gretzky lead the league in scoring. So him.

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11-17-2012, 11:28 PM
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56 assists

Just so we're all square, Selanne's rookie statline was 84GP, 76G, 56A, 132P
Finger slipped. LOL.

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Selanne, because Gretzky technically wasn't a rookie.

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Gretzky's year was more impressive as the raw totals are deceiving. Yes Selanne had 76 goals in his rookie season, but that was a year with 5 different 60+ goal scorers, including Mogilny who tied Selanne with 76 goals. Mogilny actually missed seven games that year, so he likely would have surpassed Selanne handily. Mario Lemieux was on pace to score 97 goals if not for some pesky cancer. Pierre Turgeon tied Selanne for fifth place in scoring, and they were both well behind Lemieux, Lafontaine and Oates.

During Gretzky's rookie season, which featured four fewer games, he tied Dionne for the scoring lead, and only Lafleur was close to them. Gretzky was 31 points ahead of the fourth place scorer. Gretzky also won the Hart, while Selanne was behind several players. Selanne even had a better supporting cast that year than Gretzky did, although the Jets certainly weren't a great team. Both deserve credit for phenomenal rookie seasons, but Gretzky's was better.

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Why do I always say 72? It's a recurring brainfart

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Gretzky. He tied for the Art Ross as a 19 year old.

Selanne tied for the goals lead but was only 5th in points as a 22 year old.

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Um....Gretzky won the Hart Trophy and tied for the scoring lead - and was a freaking teenager no less. How is this even a debate?

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Um....Gretzky won the Hart Trophy and tied for the scoring lead - and was a freaking teenager no less. How is this even a debate?
Exactly. Anyone who votes Selanne, really has no idea how to evaluate players.

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Gotta go Selanne. 72 goals with no prior pro experience is something you rarely see in video games let alone real life.
Selanne had three years of pro experience before entering the NHL

He was a 22 year old rookie

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Selanne, because Gretzky technically wasn't a rookie.
Gretzky was a teenager. Selanne? He was 22. Gretzky won the Hart Trophy. Selanne? No Hart. Gretzky tied for the points lead. Selanne? 5th overall. As for their overall seasons...it's not really close.

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Gretzky was a teenager. Selanne? He was 22. Gretzky won the Hart Trophy. Selanne? No Hart. Gretzky tied for the points lead. Selanne? 5th overall. As for their overall seasons...it's not really close.
When did I say that didn't happen?

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To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played any more than 25 games previously in any single season, nor have played in more than six games in each of two separate preceding seasons in any major professional league.[1] The latter fact was perhaps most prominent when in 1979–80, first-year phenom Wayne Gretzky was not eligible to win the Calder Trophy despite scoring 137 points (the previous rookie record at the time being 95), because he had played a full season the previous year in the World Hockey Association.[4]
Now thinking about it, how did Selanne win the Calder under those rules? Did they not consider SM-liiga a major professional league?

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Gotta go Selanne. 72 goals with no prior pro experience is something you rarely see in video games let alone real life.
He played 3 years professionally in Finland before coming to the NHL.

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When did I say that didn't happen?

Calder Trophy:



Now thinking about it, how did Selanne win the Calder under those rules? Did they not consider SM-liiga a major professional league?
The rule basically only screws out WHA players, as the NHL likes to do.

I got to go with Gretzky on this. Not only did Gretzky outscore him, he was much younger and his team had a lower GPG rate than Selanne's did.

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