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More impressive history of defensemen: Habs or Bruins?

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Bruins 92 85.19%
Habs 15 13.89%
Even 1 0.93%
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11-18-2012, 11:26 AM
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Orr, Bourque, and Shore say Boston wins this one.

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11-18-2012, 11:28 AM
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Definitely the Bruins...but the Bruins haven't "developed" a great defenseman in quite a while. Overall...if you had Bourque and he wasn't even the greatest defenseman in your history then you have the best D.

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11-18-2012, 11:30 AM
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HOH's rankings of Habs and B's d-men:

1. Bobby Orr
2. Doug Harvey
3. Raymond Bourque
4. Eddie Shore
9. Larry Robinson
10. Chris Chelios (7 seasons with Montreal, one Norris)
11. Brad Park (8 seasons with Boston)
15. Sprague Cleghorn (4 seasons with Montreal, 3 with Boston)
24. Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
26. Bill Quackenbush (7 seasons with Boston)
28. Serge Savard
29. Rod Langway (4 seasons with Montreal, reached his full potential with Washington)
32. Guy Lapointe
38. Jacques Laperriere (Norris trophy winner with Montreal)
40. JC Tremblay
42. Zdeno Chara (6 seasons with Boston)
45. Emile ''Butch'' Bouchard
47. Albert "Babe" Siebert (3 seasons with both Boston and Montreal)
51. Ken Reardon (played 7 seasons for Montreal)
52. Tom Johnson (played 15 years for Montreal and 2 seasons for the Bruins)
56. Sylvio Mantha (13 seasons with the Canadiens, one with the Bruins)


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11-18-2012, 11:33 AM
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Because most of the Habs' top defensemen were dominant well before anyone here can even remember, and because the OP put up a ridiculous list, I'm not surprised with the voting but don't take those votes as cash, folks.

While the Bruins had Bobby Orr, the best defenseman to ever play the game, the Habs had, as a group, the best defensemen and by a fair margin.
Do you think the Bruins top 6 or the Habs top 6 is better?

I think Montreal had some elite D, but we are talking Orr, Shore, Bourque, Park, Chara and thenadd one out of O'Connell, Wesley, McCrimmon, Cleghorn, Kluzak, whoever, it doesn't really matter because the Bruins had Orr, the best player there ever was.

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11-18-2012, 11:36 AM
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HOH's rankings of Habs and B's d-men:

1. Bobby Orr
2. Doug Harvey
3. Raymond Bourque
4. Eddie Shore
9. Larry Robinson
10. Chris Chelios (7 seasons with Montreal, one Norris)
11. Brad Park (8 seasons with Boston)
15. Sprague Cleghorn (4 seasons with Montreal, 3 with Boston)
26. Bill Quackenbush (7 seasons with Boston)
28. Serge Savard
29. Rod Langway (4 seasons with Montreal, reached his full potential with Washington)
32. Guy Lapointe
38. Jacques Laperriere (Norris trophy winner with Montreal)
40. JC Tremblay
42. Zdeno Chara (6 seasons with Boston)
45. Emile ''Butch'' Bouchard
47. Albert "Babe" Siebert (3 seasons with both Boston and Montreal)
51. Ken Reardon (played 7 seasons for Montreal)
52. Tom Johnson (played 15 years for Montreal and 2 seasons for the Bruins)
56. Sylvio Mantha (13 seasons with the Canadiens, one with the Bruins)
I am pretty sure Lapointe played for Boston as well.

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11-18-2012, 11:40 AM
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I am pretty sure Lapointe played for Boston as well.
He played there for 45 games, hardly enough to counter all the seasons spent with the CH.

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11-18-2012, 11:46 AM
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Dougie Hamilton makes this Bruins AINEC

But I take Boston-
Orr and Shore are one and two all time for me. Then you got guys like Bourque, Park, Clapper, Quackenbush, and Chara.

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11-18-2012, 11:49 AM
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Bruins but habs destroy the bruins at Forwards and goaltending

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11-18-2012, 11:51 AM
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Dougie Hamilton makes this Bruins AINEC

But I take Boston-
Orr and Shore are one and two all time for me. Then you got guys like Bourque, Park, Clapper, Quackenbush, and Chara.
I forgot him on my list

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11-18-2012, 11:52 AM
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Because most of the Habs' top defensemen were dominant well before anyone here can even remember, and because the OP put up a ridiculous list, I'm not surprised with the voting but don't take those votes as cash, folks.

While the Bruins had Bobby Orr, the best defenseman to ever play the game, the Habs had, as a group, the best defensemen and by a fair margin.
Shore, Orr and Bourque. Enough said.

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11-18-2012, 11:57 AM
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Do you think the Bruins top 6 or the Habs top 6 is better?

I think Montreal had some elite D, but we are talking Orr, Shore, Bourque, Park, Chara and thenadd one out of O'Connell, Wesley, McCrimmon, Cleghorn, Kluzak, whoever, it doesn't really matter because the Bruins had Orr, the best player there ever was.
How many people know and/or recognize the following names, do you think, let alone know their values as players and the impact they had in their time?
  • Jack Laviolette
  • Émile Butch Bouchard
  • Ken Reardon
  • Doug Harvey
  • Serge Savard
  • Jacques Laperriere
  • Guy Lapointe
  • Larry Robinson
  • Rod Langway

It's extremely difficult, not to say impossible, to compare between eras. No doubt Orr was far ahead, but I definitely think that those guys would take on the Bruins defensemen at any point in time.

Proof of what I'm saying in the post you've quoted is the OP mentioning Brisebois, Markov and Gill.

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11-18-2012, 12:06 PM
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I forgot him on my list
How dareth you!

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11-18-2012, 12:23 PM
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Orr and Bourque. Enough said.
Harvey and Robinson?

You can't just pick five guys and go with that. You have to look at ALL the defensemen that played for these orgs, or at least had a notable impact.

Bruins had Wesley, Sweeney, Gord Kluzak (minus injuries), Leo Boivin, Ted Green, Dit Clapper, Quackenbush, BRad Park, Dallas Smith and "lesser lights" that were dependable like Garry Galley, Iafrate for his cup of coffee, Gord Murphy, Dave Ellett...

For the Canadiens:

Lappy, Chelios, Pointu, Chelios, Luds, Green, Butch Bouchard, Gingras, Reardon, Savard and then the "lesser lights" like Odelin, Schneider, Desjardins, Engblom, Svoboda...

You can certainly say the Boston defenders have the brightest peaks (Orr, Bourque, Shore) but the Habs are no slouches, having consistently dependable defensemen that played so well for so long you practically forgot about them since they were always there.

It is a little like arguing whether Catherine Deneuve or Elizabeth Taylor were prettier...both have their own appeal and of course I will lean toward the Habs as they are my original team I cheered for.

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11-18-2012, 01:04 PM
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What's the context here?

If I'm picking 6D for a team I'll take Boston. But if were comparing every defenseman that's ever player for these two teams then I'm going with Montreal.

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11-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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What's the context here?

If I'm picking 6D for a team I'll take Boston. But if were comparing every defenseman that's ever player for these two teams then I'm going with Montreal.
Pretty much this. You can't really argue against depth of a franchise that has won 24 Stanley cups. That being said, Boston's top 6 beats out any team.

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11-18-2012, 03:33 PM
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Why does the OP have HM: Gill under the Canadiens? Am I missing a joke somewhere? He played 3 seasons for Montreal and 8 for the Bruins..
Hal Gill was a joke because everyone's making a huge stink over the names which really aren't a big deal.

You guys know on your own who played for who I just threw some out to start you off.

By no means are those your choice to vote for, they're just examples.

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11-18-2012, 06:53 PM
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devils! they had a beast defense. stevens,nedermeiyer,daneyko, etc.

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devils! they had a beast defense. stevens,nedermeiyer,daneyko, etc.
The Devils aren't even in the same universe with Boston and Montreal. Maybe if we're only counting the 90's.

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Orr, Shore, Bourque, Park, Chara



Harvey, Robinson, Savard, Brisebois, Lapointe, Markov, Chelios

HM: Hal Gill

What say you?
Brisebois? Really?

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devils! they had a beast defense. stevens,nedermeiyer,daneyko, etc.
That is obvious. Devils were left out since everyone knows that they are clear cut #1. It is like saying Gretzky was pretty good player. Stating the obvious.

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Homer answer: Habs ainec
Honest answer: Bruins ainec

So i'm just going to call it a tie. Great job to both teams

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Orr, Shore and Bourque is an unbelievable top 3

As for Chara he shouldn't be on the list since he was signed as a UFA, not sure if you are listing drafted players or not but anyways easily Boston

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Orr, Shore and Bourque is an unbelievable top 3

As for Chara he shouldn't be on the list since he was signed as a UFA, not sure if you are listing drafted players or not but anyways easily Boston
Why does that matter?

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