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11-16-2012, 02:24 PM
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Building the 99 Stars team with current players

Hi all,

I was just a kid when Dallas won the cup in Buffalo, and only have a basic understanding on how the team was built.
What I'm hoping people in the know can do, is build the team using player's comparables (i.e. Hull in 99 =_____ now)
I thought it might be a fun exercise!

Lehtonen - Modano - Hull
Verbeek - Nieuwendyk - Sloan
Hogue - Carbonneau - Langenbrunner
Marshall - Skrudland - Reid

Zubov - Sydor
Hatcher - Ludwig
Matvichuk - Chambers


Not really sure of the lines...sorry!


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11-16-2012, 02:49 PM
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Modano = E. Staal probably
Hull = Moulson No question
Lehtinen = No one really. perhaps Burrows/Ladd/Landeskog type
Nieuwendyk = Sharp maybe
Carbonneau = Hanzal? Malhotra?
Hatcher = He's a dying breed, an Orpik/Jackman type I suppose
Zubov = A younger Gonchar, Pietrangelo maybe
Sydor = A poor mans keith perhaps
Verbeek = Marchand

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Hi all,

I was just a kid when Dallas won the cup in Buffalo, and only have a basic understanding on how the team was built.
What I'm hoping people in the know can do, is build the team using player's comparables (i.e. Hull in 99 =_____ now)
I thought it might be a fun exercise!

Lehtonen - Modano - Hull
Verbeek - Nieuwendyk - Sloan
Hogue - Carbonneau - Langenbrunner
Marshall - Skrudland - Reid

Zubov - Sydor
Hatcher - Ludwig
Matvichuk - Chambers


Not really sure of the lines...sorry!
Hmm... interesting question. As an Oiler fan I shudder at the memories of that team. Let me see if I can try a few comps:

Lehtonen = L. Eriksson
Modano = Toews
Hull = B. Ryan
Verbeek = A. Burrows
Nieuwendyk = Pavelski
Sloan = ... don't remember Sloan as well
Hogue = F Pisani (from a few years ago)
Carbonneau = Draper
Lagenbrunner < D. Brown (but similar style back then)
Skrudland = Malholtra
Zubov = Vishnovsky
Sydor = Yandle
Hatcher = W. Mitchell (but tougher)
Ludwig = G Zanon

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11-16-2012, 05:54 PM
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Wouldn't Hull = Stamkos?

I can't think of a more obvious comparison... winger who gobbles up passes on the PP for half-clappers top-cheddar.

I could be wrong, but didn't both Hull and Stamkos play LW on the PP with RH shots?

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Hatcher has to be = Pronger...

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Wouldn't Hull = Stamkos?

I can't think of a more obvious comparison... winger who gobbles up passes on the PP for half-clappers top-cheddar.

I could be wrong, but didn't both Hull and Stamkos play LW on the PP with RH shots?
Stars Hull would be Stamkos in 6-7 years.

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I don't think Hatcher was ever as good as Pronger. Also it's hard to find comparables to players like Hatcher in today's game, rough dmen who can also put up points though his scoring wasn't very high in those playoffs.

Hull was better than Moulson, he wasn't as reliant on his centre but not as good as Stamkos in '99 (maybe a better playoff performance though, Stamkos was meh in the playoffs a couple seasons ago).

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not sure of the lines myself but this is my best guess:

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Lehtonen - Modano - Hull
Langenbrunner - Nieuwendyk - Reid
Verbeek - Carbonneau - Keane
Marshall/Hogue - Skrudland - Sloan

Zubov - Sydor
Hatcher - Matvichuk
Ludwig - Chambers

Belfour
Turek
kind of hard to do because the late 90s were an old man's league, and the stars were a particularly veteran and experience-heavy team. the analogues of most of those old depth guys are now long retired, and those roles are nowadays predominantly filled with younger, more energetic players.

but my modern day equivalents would be, with a few caveats:

burrows - kopitar - selanne*
zajac - jokinen** - chris kelly
erik cole - malhotra*** - marchand****
jared nolan/jason blake - rolston - no recollection of who blake sloan is

campbell - edler
chara***** - scuderi
mitchell - o'donnell

luongo******
lindback*******



* the post-lockout, PP specialist selanne of a few years ago
** if olli had more playoff experience, or maybe arnott if arnott wasn't completely washed up
*** if malhotra could see out of both eyes and had the wisdom of having captained a team to a cup
**** if marchand was a clean player, could fight, and was north of 30
***** chara with less offense and somehow even meaner
****** imagine if luongo was crazy angry instead of emo and finally shut his detractors up with his play; that was belfour's comeback/redemption in '99
******* good news for yzerman, eh?

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Modano = Jonathan Toews
Hull = Bobby Ryan
Lehtinen = Loui Eriksson
Nieuwendyk = Patrick Sharp
Carbonneau = Martin Hanzal
Hatcher = Tougher, stronger version of Dan Hamhuis or Dan Girardi
Zubov = Kris Letang
Sydor = Christian Ehrhoff
Verbeek = Alex Burrows

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11-18-2012, 09:06 AM
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Ryan Kesler* (Lehtinen) - Eric Staal (Modano) - Dany Heatley** (Hull)
Erik Cole (Verbeek) - Brad Richards (Nieuwy) - Justin Williams (Langenbrunner)
Dan Cleary (Hogue) - Manny Malhotra (Carbo) - Chris Kelly (Reid)
Adam Burrish (Marshall) - Jarret Stoll (Skrudland) - Craig Adams (Sloan)

Brian Campbell (Zubov) - Alexander Edler (Sydor)
Willie Mitchell (Ludwig) - Niklas Kronwall*** (Hatcher)
Brooks Orpik (Matvichuk) - Rob Scuderi (Chambers)

Miikka Kiprusoff (Belfour)
Josh Harding (Turek)
Robin Lehner (Fernandez)

* - take away some of Kesler's offense and switch him to the wing and that's the best fit I can find. Not many elite defensive wingers in the game anymore.
** - and by Heatley I mean the 2010 Heatley, not what we have now.
*** - if you make Kronwall meaner, better defensively, and even more physical

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Eric Staal = Mike Modano? Except that Staal is a defensive liability and Modano was not.

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Eric Staal = Mike Modano? Except that Staal is a defensive liability and Modano was not.
Stylistically, he's the most similar. He's better defensively than pre-Hitchcock Modano was too.

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Stylistically, he's the most similar. He's better defensively than pre-Hitchcock Modano was too.
i think if anything, modano is like an offensively elite version version of jordan staal. my comparison, kopitar, doesn't totally work because modano had so much speed to go with his size and strength, and kopitar is more of a playmaker while modano for a center was a shooter.

i'm assuming we're talking about today's comparables to the dallas stars players at their level in '99, not overall. (hence hull and stamkos are not good comparables)

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no recollection of who blake sloan is
A player who hadn't even cracked the NHL full-time but won a 4th line job in the playoffs, showed some limited scoring touch in the next season, went off to Columbus to presumably cement a job as a perfect 3rd-line stopgap under expansion team conditions, and was never heard from again.

I'd say Adam Hall, but it seems like he actually played substantial hockey in Nashville before he went to Pittsburgh, and I have no recollection of that.

If Darren Helm got shuffled off to the Islanders and promptly had his career keel over and die, that would be Blake Sloan.

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A player who hadn't even cracked the NHL full-time but won a 4th line job in the playoffs, showed some limited scoring touch in the next season, went off to Columbus to presumably cement a job as a perfect 3rd-line stopgap under expansion team conditions, and was never heard from again.

I'd say Adam Hall, but it seems like he actually played substantial hockey in Nashville before he went to Pittsburgh, and I have no recollection of that.

If Darren Helm got shuffled off to the Islanders and promptly had his career keel over and die, that would be Blake Sloan.
interesting. for a while, it looked like that was going to be michael rupp, though he really pulled it together after lou gave him a second chance and is now a solid fourth liner.

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i think if anything, modano is like an offensively elite version version of jordan staal. my comparison, kopitar, doesn't totally work because modano had so much speed to go with his size and strength, and kopitar is more of a playmaker while modano for a center was a shooter.

i'm assuming we're talking about today's comparables to the dallas stars players at their level in '99, not overall. (hence hull and stamkos are not good comparables)
I think Modano was much more of a finesse player that Jordan is, perhaps a Eric/Jordan hybrid would be the closest.

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Stylistically, he's the most similar. He's better defensively than pre-Hitchcock Modano was too.
Prettymuch what I was thinking with my pick of Eric. Modano/E Staal isn't all that far off, though no question that Modano was better defensively under Hitch then Staal was the past 2 years. Though part of that is also issues that Staal had with Maurice the last season and a half that Paul was in Raleigh. Basically when Muller took over Staal was a -18, meaning that over the remaining 57 games on a team that was pretty mediocre Staal was a respectable -2. Not a defensive dynamo, but not even close to a defensive liability either.

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interesting. for a while, it looked like that was going to be michael rupp, though he really pulled it together after lou gave him a second chance and is now a solid fourth liner.
That's exactly him. I would say that Rupp being 5 years younger than Sloan was really fortunate. The make or break point in Sloan's career was probably around 2005, and we all know what happened then.

There are probably quite a few borderline checking forward guys who are 26/27 years old right now, who are currently watching their NHL careers go down the drain.

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A player who hadn't even cracked the NHL full-time but won a 4th line job in the playoffs, showed some limited scoring touch in the next season, went off to Columbus to presumably cement a job as a perfect 3rd-line stopgap under expansion team conditions, and was never heard from again.

I'd say Adam Hall, but it seems like he actually played substantial hockey in Nashville before he went to Pittsburgh, and I have no recollection of that.

If Darren Helm got shuffled off to the Islanders and promptly had his career keel over and die, that would be Blake Sloan.
Sounds almost exactly like Jaro Svoboda.

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Though part of that is also issues that Staal had with Maurice the last season and a half that Paul was in Raleigh. Basically when Muller took over Staal was a -18, meaning that over the remaining 57 games on a team that was pretty mediocre Staal was a respectable -2. Not a defensive dynamo, but not even close to a defensive liability either.
The only reason his plus/minus went up is that his scoring improved from 0.4 PPG (10 points in 25 games) under Maurice to 1.05 PPG (60 points in 57 games) once Maurice was gone. Defensively he was as bad as before which means he was worse than the other forwards on that "mediocre" team. Check out the following thread for game-by-game ratings: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1013809.

Yes, he was a defensive liability. So for the 1999 Modano comparison you need an Eric Staal who actually plays defence. Not the Eric Staal we see in the NHL. Offensively they are similiar and maybe Staal can become a player like Modano if he gets the right coach.

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That's exactly him. I would say that Rupp being 5 years younger than Sloan was really fortunate. The make or break point in Sloan's career was probably around 2005, and we all know what happened then.

There are probably quite a few borderline checking forward guys who are 26/27 years old right now, who are currently watching their NHL careers go down the drain.
there was an article in the globe and mail this week about exactly that. i can't read it because apparently they limit you to 10 articles a month now and i've hit my ceiling.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle5345033/

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I can't do the 99 Stars, but I do like the idea of putting historical teams in terms of current players.

2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

Tanguay - Forsberg - Hejduk
Kariya - Sakic - Selanne

Blake - Foote
Liles - Morris

Aebischer
Salo

Translates to

Lupul - Malkin - Perry
Kessel - Giroux - ...Selanne

Boyle - Keith
Niskanen - Giordano

Schneider

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I can't do the 99 Stars, but I do like the idea of putting historical teams in terms of current players.

2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

Tanguay - Forsberg - Hejduk
Kariya - Sakic - Selanne

Blake - Foote
Liles - Morris

Aebischer
Salo

Translates to

Lupul - Malkin - Perry
Kessel - Giroux - ...Selanne

Boyle - Keith
Niskanen - Giordano

Schneider
i'd go:

eberle - crosby - gaborik
gomez - toews - hejduk

weber - girardi
shattenkirk - carle

lindback
biron

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I'll do the 1993 Leafs:


Alex Burmistrov - Jonathan Toews - Matt Moulson (Borschevsky, Gilmour, Andreychuk)
Brendan Morrow - Derek Roy - Dany Heatley (Clark, Cullen, Anderson)
Adam Burish - Jarret Stoll - Troy Brouwer (Berg, Zezel, Osborne)
Jamie Langenbrunner - Andrew Desjardins - Steve Downie (Krushelnyski, Eastwood, Pearson)

Dan Hamhuis - Keith Yandle (Macoun, Ellet)
Francois Beauchemin - Pavel Kubina (Lefevbre, Gill)
Anton Stralman - Greg Zanon (Mironov, Rouse)

Jimmy Howard (Potvin)
Ray Emery (Puppa)

Notes:
- the line combinations for this team are snaky. They made a lot of big trades, a few key players who had big slumps or injuries (Clark, Cullen), and Burns would occasionally sub in extra forwards because he didn't like using Mironov.
- I paid a fair amount of attention to age (career progression) and making sure the European guys were European and vice versa. This would have been pretty important in 1993.
- Hence, Gilmour probably not being the best fit. Kesler and Richards don't put up points like Gilmour did, and having Datsyuk there would blunt one of the more obvious superficial differences between Gilmour and his left winger.
- This is pretty difficult if you don't just throw out names willy-nilly.

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2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

Kariya - Sakic - Selanne

Translates to

Kessel - Giroux - ...Selanne
I wouldn't trade four 2004 Selanne's for one 2012 Selanne unless they came with four garages full of sports cars!

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