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11-17-2012, 11:26 PM
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Nah, i think he got 4 last year in St. johns. He actually maybe scored a goal or two in that game too!
2 goals, 2 assists! I was there and I was one of the very few there cheering for the Marlies. haha

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11-17-2012, 11:36 PM
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Last year Kadri drew 1.6 penalties per game with the Leafs

Interestingly enough as well, the Leafs goaltenders' save percentage when Kadri was on the ice was .938. Only Phillippe Dupuis is higher in this category. Now obviously Kadri does not play net, but it stands to reason that if he was such a defensive liability, his effect on his goaltenders save % would be worse, not almost the best on the team...
Using that stat to prove a point is a real stretch.

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11-17-2012, 11:41 PM
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Using that stat to prove a point is a real stretch.
It's a stretch but if he really was a wreck defensively you'd expect him to have a worse +/- as well. I know its a team stat but again, if he was so bad, why would he have one of the best +/- on the team?

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11-17-2012, 11:47 PM
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Kadri will be more than a useful player.....he should have no problem making the Leafs this year....unless he is involved in a trade for goaltending......in which case It best be a good goalie as he will come back and haunt us.

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11-18-2012, 12:15 AM
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It's a stretch but if he really was a wreck defensively you'd expect him to have a worse +/- as well. I know its a team stat but again, if he was so bad, why would he have one of the best +/- on the team?
Cause he wasn't in the lineup most of our awful stretch.

Cause it's so small of a sample size

Cause plus/minus can drastically differ from year to year

Cause he didn't play against top competition

Cause he didn't have significant TOI (most of our worse plus-minus players like Kessel, Phaneuf, Gunnarson were also our biggest ice time leaders)

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Enlighten me, what makes the style of game that Giroux plays so different than the one that Kadri plays? Other than the fact that Giroux clearly plays the game at a much higher and refined level.
Honestly, Giroux's style most resembles that of Kessel's. Primarily a sniper with very quick release, who relies on speed, and isn't particularly good along the boards (that's more Jagr's and Hartnell's area). They're both great playmakers, but where Giroux likes to do the quick passes (whether he shoots or passes, the puck is usually off his stick in a flash), Kessel tends to hang onto the puck more to draw defenders to him, and create openings for his linemates.

Naz is more like Kessel in that respect. He likes to control the puck, and the play. When you do that, it helps if you don't get knocked off the puck when someone breaths at you. Unlike Kessel and Giroux, Kadri is mostly a playmaker, and not as much a sniper. Unlike Giroux, and Kessel, Kadri's actually decent along the boards, and crashing and banging is a big part of his game.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter if Kadri weights 170lbs or 190 lbs, both Giroux and Kessel leave him in the dust in terms of acceleration, and top speed. He may as well be a bit harder to knock off the puck, and get a bit of a boost to his boardwork effectiveness by putting on some muscle.

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11-18-2012, 12:23 AM
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Good to see Naz at a PPG.

Question:

Now that Kadri as the shiny new toy and top prospect has cooled down, what are some realistic NHL compareables Naz is likely to be similar too? Ribeiro has been thrown around although I don't think Naz will ever be as good as Ribeiro was offensively in his prime.

Who else at this stage?

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11-18-2012, 12:26 AM
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10 points in 4 games since he was scratched.

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Good to see Naz at a PPG.

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Now that Kadri as the shiny new toy and top prospect has cooled down, what are some realistic NHL compareables Naz is likely to be similar too? Ribeiro has been thrown around although I don't think Naz will ever be as good as Ribeiro was offensively in his prime.

Who else at this stage?
I would say he has a lot of similarities to Patrick Kane

- good play maker
- sick hands
- perimeter player


Kadri still has a lot of work to do but his offensive potential as a forward is higher by far than any prospect in the system - which is not a good thing as we lack that true franchise forward that every team that won a cup has had (unless you count Kessel but I see him as a complimentary piece - like Fedorov was to Yzerman)

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Nazem Kadri Discussion Thread v13

Other thread is almost at max. Continue here.

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Nazem Kadri is now ppg. couple more games like last night and he's top 5 in scoring....just like that.

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I promise you guys I'll be bumping as many threads as I can when Kadri plays in the NHL. He gets trashed on by a few guys here and the entire fanbase of other teams...and he still goes on about his business in the AHL putting up near PPG and in that time he has NEVER been a minus player...so much for the "He sucks defensively" argument.

Kadri had a problem with a couple plays where he made wrong decisions...otherwise he's a smart player that has great vision.

In one of the threads earlier this season...I had to actually explain why Kadri is better than SCOTT GLENNIE.

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Nazem Kadri is now ppg. couple more games like last night and he's top 5 in scoring....just like that.
I really want him to get more points than Brayden Schenn because B. Schenn was picked ahead of him. If he ties or surpasses Eberle and RNH, I'll be extremely happy.

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Nazem Kadri is now ppg. couple more games like last night and he's top 5 in scoring....just like that.
Jughead will probably be one of the few (I can think of a couple others) surprised by this. Not only surprised but sadly, actually upset by it. Naz has a long history of going on insane long streaks. I won't be at all surprised to see him top 10 to top 5 very soon.

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Jughead will probably be one of the few (I can think of a couple others) surprised by this. Not only surprised but sadly, actually upset by it. Naz has a long history of going on insane long streaks. I won't be at all surprised to see him top 10 to top 5 very soon.
Talk to me when he does it in the NHL, then I might be impressed. For all his amazing streak scoring, you'd think he'd do it in the NHL once in a while if it was ever going to happen. I'll sit back and wait for the excuses, like coach Wilson, poor linemates, his helmet is too tights, etc. I know its coming. PPG in the AHL is fine an dandy, but the kid still has one goal all season long. A couple of 2nd assists on the powerplay isn't going to impress me much. Also, who cares if he has 2 good games and 10 bad ones? Is that going to make the leafs better, to have a guy who'll show up 20 percent of the time? just wondering.

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Talk to me when he does it in the NHL, then I might be impressed. For all his amazing streak scoring, you'd think he'd do it in the NHL once in a while if it was ever going to happen. I'll sit back and wait for the excuses, like coach Wilson, poor linemates, his helmet is too tights, etc. I know its coming. PPG in the AHL is fine an dandy, but the kid still has one goal all season long. A couple of 2nd assists on the powerplay isn't going to impress me much. Also, who cares if he has 2 good games and 10 bad ones? Is that going to make the leafs better, to have a guy who'll show up 20 percent of the time? just wondering.
So bitter. So very, very bitter.....

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Best thing was the benching, Kadri has responded well and is back on track. Good stuff.

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It's still over 30 posts away and it is a slow moving thread. Merged. There can be a new thread at 1K

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Talk to me when he does it in the NHL, then I might be impressed. For all his amazing streak scoring, you'd think he'd do it in the NHL once in a while if it was ever going to happen. I'll sit back and wait for the excuses, like coach Wilson, poor linemates, his helmet is too tights, etc. I know its coming. PPG in the AHL is fine an dandy, but the kid still has one goal all season long. A couple of 2nd assists on the powerplay isn't going to impress me much. Also, who cares if he has 2 good games and 10 bad ones? Is that going to make the leafs better, to have a guy who'll show up 20 percent of the time? just wondering.
There's an nhl lockout, so you'll have to settle for his success in ahl for now.

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There's an nhl lockout, so you'll have to settle for his success in ahl for now.
Don't worry about it. When Kadri's numbers in the AHL were low, he deemed it worthy of talking about. Once he does well, suddenly it is no longer worthy of talking about. Tells you about all you need to know.

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Don't worry about it. When Kadri's numbers in the AHL were low, he deemed it worthy of talking about. Once he does well, suddenly it is no longer worthy of talking about. Tells you about all you need to know.
I have Jughead ignored but I see his antics have not changed, so hard to avoid him on these boards. Wish he was banned already.

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I have Jughead ignored but I see his antics have not changed, so hard to avoid him on these boards. Wish he was banned already.
I don't ignore posters, but there's like 5-20 posters like that on these boards, and NHL main boards that absolutely weigh down every discussion with their idiotic antics.

It's a shame, because we've got some pretty intelligent people around here too.

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Another Leafs' player who got dumped because the coach didn't like him:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=4250

Not all coaches like all players.

He was a decent set-up man, and face-off specialist. Burns would never give him a fair shake.

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Another Leafs' player who got dumped because the coach didn't like him:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=4250

Not all coaches like all players.

He was a decent set-up man, and face-off specialist. Burns would never give him a fair shake.
You could add Steve Sullivan to that list as well!

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I think a lot of people forget that Kadri although only scoring 5 goals last year in the NHL was still on pace for nearly 20 goals at that level. I can see him as a 20/45 or 20/50 guy down the road, legitimately.

On a side note, Eakins stated that Kadri is consistently a top 3 hardest working and passionate guy on the ice for every game. I also think people that actually watch the guy can see that, he doesn't shy away from physical play or from chirping at his opponents. He never looks like he's not trying, and I wouldn't call him floaty, at least not in the last couple of years.

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Softest 4 assists I've ever seen

Mostly off of someone's skates or secondary assits that amount to nothing in the real world. First Star my butt another Con Job by Leafs management to prop up their useless Draft Picks.

Who should be fired Eakins for not developing prospects like Kadri, Colborne, Blacker, Ross, or Ryan or Morrison for Drafting this bunch off under achievers.

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