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Chris Stewart, Ty Rattie, Blues 2013 1st

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11-18-2012, 12:56 PM
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Flames are giving up way too much.
Except those are the only pieces that have value for St. Louis. They don't need more LW depth, or prospect forwards, or anything to do with Bouwmeester's contract, there's really no center upgrades to be had. That package would also rival anything else the league could offer short of a #1 center with a decade left on his career.

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11-18-2012, 01:02 PM
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Flames are giving up way too much.
All depends on Stewart, if he returns to form, a 25 year old power forward, a late 1st and most likely a 2nd, is good value for Iggy. I feel Rattie and Cole is fair for Gio but not good enough to pull the trigger on the deal alone.

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11-18-2012, 01:09 PM
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Except those are the only pieces that have value for St. Louis. They don't need more LW depth, or prospect forwards, or anything to do with Bouwmeester's contract, there's really no center upgrades to be had. That package would also rival anything else the league could offer short of a #1 center with a decade left on his career.
Then the Blues would need to give up more. The Flames are giving up their 2 best players for a B level prospect and a late first round pick. Stewart is a wild card and has little value if the Flames were to rebuild.

I'd ask for another first, or take out Rattie and put in Schwartz (probably still isn't enough). Right now, with all the Blues fans immediately saying yes, you can tell how one-sided and awful the deal is for the Flames.

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11-18-2012, 01:32 PM
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Then the Blues would need to give up more. The Flames are giving up their 2 best players for a B level prospect and a late first round pick. Stewart is a wild card and has little value if the Flames were to rebuild.

I'd ask for another first, or take out Rattie and put in Schwartz (probably still isn't enough). Right now, with all the Blues fans immediately saying yes, you can tell how one-sided and awful the deal is for the Flames.
I can't remember the last time any team gave up a prospect the caliber of Schwartz for a 35 year old UFA, no matter how great the player is. Rattie is a B prospect but on the upper end, pushing A...on pace for 100+ points again this year, with out Baertschi. St. Louis gives fair return, under the circumstance, if Iggy was signed it would be different

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11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
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I can't remember the last time any team gave up a prospect the caliber of Schwartz for a 35 year old UFA, no matter how great the player is. Rattie is a B prospect but on the upper end, pushing A...on pace for 100+ points again this year, with out Baertschi. St. Louis gives fair return, under the circumstance, if Iggy was signed it would be different
But it's NOT just Iginla, it also includes Giordano, who is pretty much poised to be the Flames next captain. I'd say Giordano has just as much, probably more value to other teams than Iginla right now.

Schwartz has hardly been dominant since turning pro. He's a good prospect, better than Rattie, but he's not a great prospect.

If the Blues aren't willing to give up that, then it's an awful package for the Flames and never would they trade to two biggest components to the current team.

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11-18-2012, 01:42 PM
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That's a legitimate package...Shame we'll never see a good offer, nor would Army ever do such a large deal that could ruin us.

Edit: Oh, and I'd do something like Thornton, Braun, and a 2nd for a package like that.
How would that ruin you? Those are all largely unnecessary pieces to St Louis.

Stewart isn't fitting in St Louis but you could easily sell someone on his potential, at least to the right team.

The first and Rattie are two pieces that are nice, but could have more value to you as trade chips than adding to the prospect pool, which is already very deep.

Rattie is nice but is he going to have a place in the lineup? Your already so deep, and you haven't even added Schwartz or Tarasenko to the lineup.

I'm failing to see how a package like the would ruin you

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11-18-2012, 01:59 PM
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Hitch likes to run 4 solid lines. Losing Stewart AND Rattie without a forward coming back would hurt...So much that an injury would force a rookie or D'agostini into the top 6 where they would be relied on to score...Not the best scenario for a win-now team that also has the blessing of being able to look to the future.

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11-18-2012, 02:19 PM
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But it's NOT just Iginla, it also includes Giordano, who is pretty much poised to be the Flames next captain. I'd say Giordano has just as much, probably more value to other teams than Iginla right now.

Schwartz has hardly been dominant since turning pro. He's a good prospect, better than Rattie, but he's not a great prospect.

If the Blues aren't willing to give up that, then it's an awful package for the Flames and never would they trade to two biggest components to the current team.
I just try to look at it from both teams perspective, that's a big package for Gio and 30 games of Iggy, if he doesn't resign. If Stewart returns to form, a 25 year old, 60 point, power forward, a good prospect, that already has chemistry with our star prospect, a solid defensive prospect, a late 1st and most likely a second, seems fair value to me but I can see why others may not like it.

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11-18-2012, 02:23 PM
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Iginla, Giordano for Chris Stewart, Berglund and a 1st, fair flames fans?

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11-18-2012, 02:34 PM
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Iginla, Giordano for Chris Stewart, Berglund and a 1st, fair flames fans?
This would defeat the purpose of trading for Gio and Iggy... They won't want to lose Berglund down the middle... They would aquire the pieces from Calgary to win a cup, and they would need Berglund for that.


If..... it were to go down, I could see something like this:

CGY:
Iggy
Gio

STL:
Stewart
Schwartz
1st 2013
2nd 2013
(conditional on Iggy resigning or Blues making it to the WCF)

Adding these two components to the Blues would make them a favorite to win their first stanley cup. Adds skill, scoring, and grit for the playoffs.

WOW! Amazing top 6 and top 4.

David Perron - David Backes - T.J. Oshie

Andy McDonald - Patrik Berglund - Jarome Iginla


Mark Giordano - Alex Pietrangelo

Kevin Shattenkirk - Barrett Jackman

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11-18-2012, 03:10 PM
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The lines would probably look like...

D'agostini Backes Oshie
Perron Berglund Iginla
McDonald Steen Tarasenko
Sobotka Nichol Langenbrunner

Reaves Porter

Giordano Pietrangelo
Jackman Shattenkirk
Russell Polak

Cole Woywitka

Halak
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11-18-2012, 03:26 PM
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At the deadline:
Calgary-
Stewart
Rattie
Cole
2013 1st
Conditional 2nd for SCF appearance

St. Louis-
Iggy
Giordano
I do not see why Flames want to move out Giordano. I thought he was a piece they wanted to build around?

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Galchenyuk.

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11-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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Galchenyuk.
.........and?

You'd have to add more than just Galchenyuk to get that package.

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11-18-2012, 04:07 PM
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.........and?

You'd have to add more than just Galchenyuk to get that package.
Not much.

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11-18-2012, 04:20 PM
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Not much.
Stewart has had one bad year. Rattie is still a good prospect and a first in a very deep draft for a very good prospect.

You'd have to add something significant.

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11-18-2012, 04:25 PM
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Stewart has had one bad year. Rattie is still a good prospect and a first in a very deep draft for a very good prospect.

You'd have to add something significant.
This ^. Galchenyuk alone does not get you this type of package.

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11-18-2012, 04:40 PM
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Not sure why the Flamers would deal Giordano when he's on a multi year deal that is good value and runs the course of his prime years (expires at age 33). They may eventually eat their words and go the rebuild route, but you need solid vets to lead the young guns.

If there is a season this year, I could see Iggy going at the deadline though. Rattle and a first seems like the right price.

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11-18-2012, 04:44 PM
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CGY:
Iggy
Gio

STL:
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Schwartz
1st 2013
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Edit: Oh, and I'd do something like Thornton, Braun, and a 2nd for a package like that.
I'm sure you would. Except San Jose wouldn't do that.

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11-18-2012, 05:09 PM
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CGY:
Iggy
Gio

STL:
Rattie
Schwartz
1st 2013
Stewart
That's what I'd ask for, if Iggy was signed

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CGY:
Iggy
Gio

STL:
Rattie
Schwartz
1st 2013
Stewart
This^.

Giordano carries way more value than anything coming back from St.Louis, so if the Blues are in "Win Now" mode, they had better be willing to sacrifice some young guns in the future to get todays productive players.

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11-18-2012, 06:16 PM
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CGY:
Iggy
Gio

STL:
Rattie
Schwartz
1st 2013
Stewart
Are we assuming that Iggy is signed in this scenario? If not, then the answer is no.

If he is....I'm still tempted to say no. Take out one of those pieces and I'd probably say yes.

It's an interesting idea in theory.

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This^.

Giordano carries way more value than anything coming back from St.Louis, so if the Blues are in "Win Now" mode, they had better be willing to sacrifice some young guns in the future to get todays productive players.
The Blues are not in win now mode we still have a young team no need to blow all of our prospects for a run like we have in the past it has never worked out for us in the past we can afford to be patient.

Of course the Blues are in a compete now but not in a sell off all of our prospects for a cup run mode like an aging team would be.

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11-18-2012, 06:54 PM
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Are we assuming that Iggy is signed in this scenario? If not, then the answer is no.

If he is....I'm still tempted to say no. Take out one of those pieces and I'd probably say yes.

It's an interesting idea in theory.
What if we switched Schwartz with Cole and added a 2014 1st. St. Louis keeps there 2nd best prospect while gaining Iggy and Gio. The trade becomes:

Iggy
Gio

For

Stewart
Rattie
Cole
2013 1st
2014 1st

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