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11-18-2012, 07:47 PM
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- Yes and No at the same time. Yes Grabo would bring is electric speed and work ethic but the playoffs are a lot more physical then regular season and we all know Grabo has a tendency to get rocked into next week 3-4x a year, he would get CRUNCHED night in and night out come playoff time, people say Grabo has heart well I beg to differ the guy foolishly puts himself in situations to get nailed.
Crosbovski doesnt stop...

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This season is most likely shot. Why not sign a goalie in the offseason? It's better than losing prospects and picks for Luongo.


http://capgeek.com/free-agents/?year...G&fa_type_id=2

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#1 Backstrom for 2yrs @5M - still good when healthy really only worth 4+ but no need to insult him
#2 TT for 2yrs @5M - his attitude would be great for the press, but this country might be a little too socialist for him. Don't see him in Canada.


No thanks to MIke Smith and I think Howard will be kept in DET. They will love Howard & Gus tandem in Hockeytown.

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Crosbovski doesnt stop...
The guy started a bar brawl with a broken wrist.

He just keeps going.

there's only like 5 Belarussians in the league and he has a feud going with 2 of teh other 4.

Grabo is earning respect 'round he-yare!

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11-18-2012, 08:03 PM
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Crosbovski doesnt stop...
I know that, there's no denying he is an extremely hard worker actually probably the hardest worker on this team. But no he doesn't have heart, when was the last time you saw Grabo lay a big hit on someone? When was the last time you saw Grabo sprawl across the ice to block a shot? When was the last time you saw Grabo take on a tougher player in a fight? That is what I mean by "heart" and no Grabo doesn't have it, energetic would be a far better word to describe him.

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If the season is lost I predict Burke signing Tim Thomas next summer. I imagine the lockout is providing ample time for Tim to spend with his family, and he'll be good to go next season. Would be a nice short term stop gap for our young goalies to continue their development. He's a bit of a cement head, but a helluva goalie.

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I know that, there's no denying he is an extremely hard worker actually probably the hardest worker on this team. But no he doesn't have heart, when was the last time you saw Grabo lay a big hit on someone? When was the last time you saw Grabo sprawl across the ice to block a shot? When was the last time you saw Grabo take on a tougher player in a fight? That is what I mean by "heart" and no Grabo doesn't have it, energetic would be a far better word to describe him.
March 17th, 2012. (Edit: I see now this is the date the video was added, not sure on the date of the actual fight but it was this last season)


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11-18-2012, 08:09 PM
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March 17th, 2012.

Yes and lets be honest Grabo embelished it, Neil simply pushed Ashton and then Grabo jumped him. IMO the reason Grabo did this was to prove something to his coach not to stick up for his team-mate, granted I'm still impressed but it wasn't a sefless act on his part either.

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If the season is lost I predict Burke signing Tim Thomas next summer. I imagine the lockout is providing ample time for Tim to spend with his family, and he'll be good to go next season. Would be a nice short term stop gap for our young goalies to continue their development. He's a bit of a cement head, but a helluva goalie.
Interesting theory..... I think though Burke will go after Hiller and here's why: Burke is familiar with him, he knows Hiller put up good numbers before his issue with vertigo kicked in and it wouldn't cost and arm and a leg to bring him here.

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Grabo has the most heart on the team. That fight was in the last few weeks of the season when the playoffs were long gone and still stood took on Neil to protect a rookie.
No question about Grabo he's a winner and we want him here when the games matter.

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11-18-2012, 08:16 PM
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Grabo has the most heart on the team. That fight was in the last few weeks of the season when the playoffs were long gone and still stood took on Neil to protect a rookie.
No question about Grabo he's a winner and we want him here when the games matter.
Sorry but I 100% disagree with Grabo having the most heart on this team, that honor goes to Mike Brown. Brown unlike Grabo hits everyone despite being small-sized, Brown sacrifices his body countless times to block a shot, the guy broke his hand blocking a shot against Tampa two years ago not to mention he fights a lot even though 9/10 he gets rag-dolled. Grabo fighting ONE guy to impress his coach does not mean he has heart, and this is coming from me who things Grabo's a beaut.

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Grabo has the most heart on the team. That fight was in the last few weeks of the season when the playoffs were long gone and still stood took on Neil to protect a rookie.
No question about Grabo he's a winner and we want him here when the games matter.
I agree.

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Yes and lets be honest Grabo embelished it, Neil simply pushed Ashton and then Grabo jumped him. IMO the reason Grabo did this was to prove something to his coach not to stick up for his team-mate, granted I'm still impressed but it wasn't a sefless act on his part either.
Grabovski and Neil also have a history. During the preseason Neil hit Grabovski with a blind side hit and for some reason Neil didn't get suspended and I don't he even got a penalty. So I'm thinking when Grabovski went after Neil that was him getting even.

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I don't know how you can even make an argument me anyone on this team playing with more heart than grabs. Maybe brown but he only plays 8 minutes a night, so he can give it his all every shift, and doesn't contribute anywhere near as much as grabs does.

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Sorry but I 100% disagree with Grabo having the most heart on this team, that honor goes to Mike Brown. Brown unlike Grabo hits everyone despite being small-sized, Brown sacrifices his body countless times to block a shot, the guy broke his hand blocking a shot against Tampa two years ago not to mention he fights a lot even though 9/10 he gets rag-dolled. Grabo fighting ONE guy to impress his coach does not mean he has heart, and this is coming from me who things Grabo's a beaut.
Got to disagree with you 100%. You can't measure heart by the number of hits you dish out, not every player is built that way. I think you got to see if the player has hustle and is leaving it all out on the ice. Grabovski more often than not last season left it all out on the ice and hustled his butt off.


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Sorry but I 100% disagree with Grabo having the most heart on this team, that honor goes to Mike Brown. Brown unlike Grabo hits everyone despite being small-sized, Brown sacrifices his body countless times to block a shot, the guy broke his hand blocking a shot against Tampa two years ago not to mention he fights a lot even though 9/10 he gets rag-dolled. Grabo fighting ONE guy to impress his coach does not mean he has heart, and this is coming from me who things Grabo's a beaut.
Brown fighting is good ole heart and sole hockey, while Grabo fighting is a selfish act done only to get into the good graces of the coach. You have a glaring double standard.

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Got to disagree with you 100%. You can't measure heart by the number of hits you dish out, not every player is built that way. I think you got to see if the player has hustle and is leaving it all out on the ice. Grabovski more often than not last season left it all out on the ice and hustled his butt off.
I never said a player has to dish out tons of hits each night, what I mean is hitting guys bigger then you knowing full well your smaller, blocking shots to save a goal to me counts as heart, fighting guys bigger to stick up for yourself or a team-mate counts as heart. Grabo rarely hits and when he does its a slight bump at best, I have never seen him sacrifice his body at any point, and in his 5 years here I have only seen him scrap once so no I don't think he has much heart. I'm not knocking Grabo I think the guy has been a productive player here and he works his tail off every night but I just don't believe he has a lot of "heart and soul" in him, again thats just my opinion, feel free to disagree if you'd like.

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Brown fighting is good ole heart and sole hockey, while Grabo fighting is a selfish act done only to get into the good graces of the coach. You have a glaring double standard.
When Brown fights its either to defend his team-mates, to enegeize the team or to stick up for himself whereas that ONE fight Grabo had was a mix of trying to impress his coach and evening the score for when Neil leveled him a while back in preseason.

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I don't know how you can even make an argument me anyone on this team playing with more heart than grabs. Maybe brown but he only plays 8 minutes a night, so he can give it his all every shift, and doesn't contribute anywhere near as much as grabs does.
Heart means showing courage in the face of danger, now when has Grabo shown courage? Has he made a big hit or taken one for the good of the team? No! Has Grabo ever layed his body on the line to block a shot? No! Has Grabo fought a guy to actually defend himself or his team? No!

I think your confusing the defintion of heart and the definition of energectic and tireless work ethic, both have totally different meanings in my book. Grabo no doubt about it works hard every shift and he's the furthest thing from lazy, also his endurance is incredbible but that doesn't mean he has heart. I don't get how you can compare Brown w/Grabo both represent different roles, Brown while he plays 8 mins a night on the 4th line and some PK minutes he plays with a lot of heart and work ethic too, sure he's not skilled and thats why he sees limited minutes.

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I never said a player has to dish out tons of hits each night, what I mean is hitting guys bigger then you knowing full well your smaller, blocking shots to save a goal to me counts as heart, fighting guys bigger to stick up for yourself or a team-mate counts as heart. Grabo rarely hits and when he does its a slight bump at best, I have never seen him sacrifice his body at any point, and in his 5 years here I have only seen him scrap once so no I don't think he has much heart. I'm not knocking Grabo I think the guy has been a productive player here and he works his tail off every night but I just don't believe he has a lot of "heart and soul" in him, again thats just my opinion, feel free to disagree if you'd like.
I don't believe that should be the case at all.

Grabo sacrifices his body by going to the dirty areas and fighting along the boards against players way bigger than him.


If going up against Chara along the boards doesn't show Grabo's determination and heart to go to the dirty areas, I don't know what does.

Grabovski doesn't have the kind of heart you want, you're an older school type guy it seems. Grabovski does have heart but in his own way, that's why he has an A cause he leads by example.

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Heart means showing courage in the face of danger, now when has Grabo shown courage? Has he made a big hit or taken one for the good of the team? No! Has Grabo ever layed his body on the line to block a shot? No! Has Grabo fought a guy to actually defend himself or his team? No!

I think your confusing the defintion of heart and the definition of energectic and tireless work ethic, both have totally different meanings in my book. Grabo no doubt about it works hard every shift and he's the furthest thing from lazy, also his endurance is incredbible but that doesn't mean he has heart. I don't get how you can compare Brown w/Grabo both represent different roles, Brown while he plays 8 mins a night on the 4th line and some PK minutes he plays with a lot of heart and work ethic too, sure he's not skilled and thats why he sees limited minutes.
Your first question answered here. You probably didn't see this game against Boston based on what you said here.



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I know that, there's no denying he is an extremely hard worker actually probably the hardest worker on this team. But no he doesn't have heart, when was the last time you saw Grabo lay a big hit on someone? When was the last time you saw Grabo sprawl across the ice to block a shot? When was the last time you saw Grabo take on a tougher player in a fight? That is what I mean by "heart" and no Grabo doesn't have it, energetic would be a far better word to describe him.
He has said he wants to win (the cup) with Toronto. He moved his dad behind his house and is married to a Toronto girl, he also repeats over and over he plays to make his family proud (honor). He said his dad had a hard life so he wants him to take it easy. That and the examples here, you know, this stuff adds up to epic heart. If he didnt have heart he would coast like some well payed player do after hitting paydirt.

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Your first question answered here. You probably didn't see this game against Boston based on what you said here.


I'm on phone or Id post, but there is also the clip where Grabo jumped Chris Neil to protect Ashton even though he knew he was gonna lose. He doesn't take crap when his teammate or the rookie is down.

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I'm on phone or Id post, but there is also the clip where Grabo jumped Chris Neil to protect Ashton even though he knew he was gonna lose. He doesn't take crap when his teammate or the rookie is down.
I still like the KGM line even if it was off beat last year. Grabs is a dynamo and also like it when Mac snaps and one punches fools in the mouth. It happened twice, sorry, just wanted an excuse to say that for some time now.

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I know that, there's no denying he is an extremely hard worker actually probably the hardest worker on this team. But no he doesn't have heart, when was the last time you saw Grabo lay a big hit on someone? When was the last time you saw Grabo sprawl across the ice to block a shot? When was the last time you saw Grabo take on a tougher player in a fight? That is what I mean by "heart" and no Grabo doesn't have it, energetic would be a far better word to describe him.
Well your definition of heart is your definition.

I disagree with it, based on your definition Leafs last Conn Smythe winner had no heart.

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I am glad you posted the Chara game. To me, that game's the definition of heart and soul.

I think Crosbovski had an undiagnosed concussion... yet he shakes it off and continues to play.

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