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I leave for like 6 hours, and we make more progress then in 6 months getting Grabovski on the table.
Well, the deals are getting better and better, in 24 hours we've had Lupul, Lombardi, Colborne and a 1st and Grabovski+ offered.
Edit: Also JVR+ for Schneider? Huh...where's Kessel+Phaneuf for Lu/Schneider+?
Is there a clause I didn't hear about that makes the Canucks 100% liable for Luongo's contract, regardless of length, retirement or cost, or something?
I'd deal JVR in a deal around Schneider. But understand, Schneider isn't proven and would get much more than JVR.
JVR + Prospect (Kadri/Colborne) + 2nd for Schneider + prospect
If a more proven goalie is what you're looking for we have one available.
I like JVR but him as the center piece in a deal involving Schneider is not enough for me. If I'm Gillis one of Reilly or Gardiner must be coming back.
That's something I would prefer to do (rather than the Luongo deal)
So I'd offer...
JVR + 1st (top ten protected)
for
Raymond + Schneider
OR
LOmbardi + Kadri + Percy + 1st (top ten protected)
for
Raymond + Luongo
You'd have to improve on the first one, but it's not bad.
The second is awful, we've established what we're looking for in a return, and Lombard is negative value to us, Kadri and Percy aren't sufficiently valuable enough to cover Lombardi's negative impact on this trade as well as the difference between Luongo and a 1st.
Canucks aren't trading Schneider. Too valuable to us. I know from other fans' perspective it looks like we are overvaluing him due to a small sample size. But everything we have seen, he's a really special talent that could carry our team for years to come and can put up a brick wall. There is literally nothing about him as an athlete, or person, that isn't to like. Not trading.
For a Canuck fan you value our core players very little and highly value TO players.
Maybe your opinion is slightly Leafs tinted from living in TO? I don't think any other Nuck fans value players like you do.
I'm also holding out for Lupul + 1st in a Luongo trade while other fans want a medley of Colborne/Bozak/Biggs.
I like the Leafs, but I don't think it impairs my judgement. Schneider for a former 2nd overall who has shown some great playoff performances and another 1sts in a deep draft we could either use ourselves or flip in a bid for Perry at the deadline is a solid package.
I'm easy trading Luongo or Schneider, both are more than capable of winning the cup with us.
I'm also holding out for Lupul + 1st in a Luongo trade while other fans want a medley of Colborne/Bozak/Biggs.
I like the Leafs, but I don't think it impairs my judgement. Schneider for a former 2nd overall who has shown some great playoff performances and another 1sts in a deep draft we could either use ourselves or flip in a bid for Perry at the deadline is a solid package.
I'm easy trading Luongo or Schneider, both are more than capable of winning the cup with us.
You'd have to improve on the first one, but it's not bad.
The second is awful, we've established what we're looking for in a return, and Lombard is negative value to us, Kadri and Percy aren't sufficiently valuable enough to cover Lombardi's negative impact on this trade as well as the difference between Luongo and a 1st.
The 2nd is the best you'd get from us. You could choose between Lombardi/Connolly and than Kadri/Colborne. Percy is a recent 1st, and you'd also get another 1st (top 10 protected) WE have to send back some sort of salary back even if it's only for a yr.
I'm also holding out for Lupul + 1st in a Luongo trade while other fans want a medley of Colborne/Bozak/Biggs.
I like the Leafs, but I don't think it impairs my judgement. Schneider for a former 2nd overall who has shown some great playoff performances and another 1sts in a deep draft we could either use ourselves or flip in a bid for Perry at the deadline is a solid package.
I'm easy trading Luongo or Schneider, both are more than capable of winning the cup with us.
You'll be holding out a loooooooong time. Lupul's not going to fall out of favour enough to be traded before the trade deadline comes, and they're certainly not going to trade him right after signing a new contract.
The fact that you think a combination of Biggs/Bozak/Colborne is the backup plan shows just how out of touch with reality you are. The pieces you'd be looking at from Toronto are guys like Kadri, Lombardi and MacArthur. If that doesn't work, there's 28 other teams in the league. Yeah, you could get a first, but it certainly wouldn't come with a prospect / young player of any sort of quality. Maybe a 1st + MacArthur if the CBA is favourable.
I'm also holding out for Lupul + 1st in a Luongo trade while other fans want a medley of Colborne/Bozak/Biggs.
Lupul literally seems like the last guy Gillis would target on the Leafs. Defensively weak and issues about work ethic. Probably way overvalued by Burke as well.
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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale
Schneider for a former 2nd overall who has shown some great playoff performances and another 1sts in a deep draft we could either use ourselves or flip in a bid for Perry at the deadline is a solid package.
2nd overall who has never scored more than 40 points.
A solid project but less of a legit top 6er than Mason Raymond.
If we wanted a 1st we could flip our own and trade Luongo in the off season. If all we wanted was some prospects we could trade him in the off season. If it doesn't improve our team there's no point to trading either goalie.
The 2nd is the best you'd get from us. You could choose between Lombardi/Connolly and than Kadri/Colborne. Percy is a recent 1st, and you'd also get another 1st (top 10 protected) WE have to send back some sort of salary back even if it's only for a yr.
Percy can be as recent a 1st as last year, but he's not valued the same to Toronto as to us.
Colborne and Kadri aren't taking a top spot in our prospect pool, and it would be a far stretch to hope they would improve our roster drastically when they aren't making a big splash on a bottom five team.
Lombardi and Connolly are overpaid third liners, at best, on our roster, and hold slightly above zero value with their contracts. Adding them is us doing your team a favour. I understand you'd need to move cap to accommodate 5.33 million in cap space, but you may as well keep them and waive one. If you need to add salary, drop Percy and give us something usable to us.
That leaves a first as the only big ticket item coming back, and that's top 10 protected? No thank you.
Pass. Others have taken our arguments and accommodated our needs and come up with much better offers, so there seems to be a huge discrepancy between you saying this is the most, and someone else who seems as militantly pro-Leafs saying Lupul, Colborne, Lombardi and a 1st for Lu and our 1st, or Grabovski+.
Stop selling the lowball offers, we're not buying.
We weren't the ones who brought him up, most Canucks fans were surprised that BlueBaron was wiling to deal him.
Actually a Nucks fan brought him up and I agreed. But it looks like only two or three of you were into it and the others are back after assets we really should not part with, our first rounder, Kuleman and our top center prospect. I think its pretty obvious people just like throwing names around no matter how many times it's pointed out they are assets we cannot realisticly part with. Grabovski we could do, it would hurt, but we could do it. Trading our first at this stage is stupid because Luo would improve us but he is not the final piece, there would still be much building to do.
Percy can be as recent a 1st as last year, but he's not valued the same to Toronto as to us.
Colborne and Kadri aren't taking a top spot in our prospect pool, and it would be a far stretch to hope they would improve our roster drastically when they aren't making a big splash on a bottom five team.
Lombardi and Connolly are overpaid third liners, at best, on our roster, and hold slightly above zero value with their contracts. Adding them is us doing your team a favour. I understand you'd need to move cap to accommodate 5.33 million in cap space, but you may as well keep them and waive one. If you need to add salary, drop Percy and give us something usable to us.
That leaves a first as the only big ticket item coming back, and that's top 10 protected? No thank you.
Pass. Others have taken
our arguments and accommodated our needs and come up with much better offers, so there seems to be a huge discrepancy between you saying this is the most, and someone else who seems as militantly pro-Leafs saying Lupul, Colborne, Lombardi and a 1st for Lu and our 1st, or Grabovski+.
Stop selling the lowball offers, we're not buying.
Stop asking for the moon when it comes to a goalie who almost has negative value.
What you don't remember or know, is that before Reimer's injury, he was playing quite well. Let's not forget his incredible run he has 2 yrs ago when he pretty much single handidly won us 20 games in a row.
Can't steal from Paul, to pay Peter. Doesn't work that way.
Won 20 games in a row? Lol, I think you're the one who doesn't remember. Try 4 in a row. Winning 7/8 is respectable enough, don't need to get all crazy on that hyperbole.
Grabovski we could do, it would hurt, but we could do it. Trading our first at this stage is stupid because Luo would improve us but he is not the final piece, there would still be much building to do.
I think 90% of Nucks fans would do Grabovski + 3rd for Luongo.
Obviously some fans would rather have Gardiner/Rielly/1st/Kulemin packages but that's not feasible for TO.
