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MVP Talk (poll updated Dec 12)

View Poll Results: Who's your pick for NFL MVP?
Adrian Peterson 70 64.22%
Peyton Manning 25 22.94%
Tom Brady 12 11.01%
Other 2 1.83%
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11-18-2012, 07:57 PM
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Peyton for MVP, Von for DPOY

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11-18-2012, 08:48 PM
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Peyton, as of now.

Also, Bwahahahaha @ the Briggs vote. I wonder who that could have came from.
Martini, duh!

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11-19-2012, 10:55 AM
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Ryan took a big hit there, especially due to the fact that the Falcons still won. P. Manning is out in front, with Rodgers in second.

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11-19-2012, 12:17 PM
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Tom Brady leads the NFL in Total QBR, which normally predicts the MVP. Peyton Manning is a hair behind him.

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11-19-2012, 12:22 PM
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Ryan took a big hit there, especially due to the fact that the Falcons still won. P. Manning is out in front, with Rodgers in second.
Rodgers shouldn't be in the conversation.

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11-19-2012, 01:44 PM
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Tom Brady leads the NFL in Total QBR, which normally predicts the MVP. Peyton Manning is a hair behind him.
Total QBR doesn't normally do anything. It has existed for a single season thus far.

As for Rodgers, he leads the league in official Quarterback rating and in the running to lead in TDs. He is absolutely in the running.

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11-19-2012, 01:46 PM
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Rodgers shouldn't be in the conversation.
Why not?

Dude's the most efficient quarterback in the game, throwing dimes, and keeping the interception number down to the minimum without an adequate run game.

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11-19-2012, 01:54 PM
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Why not?

Dude's the most efficient quarterback in the game, throwing dimes, and keeping the interception number down to the minimum without an adequate run game.
He's also got a top 10 scoring defense that's really stepped up in big games.

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11-19-2012, 01:58 PM
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He's also got a top 10 scoring defense that's really stepped up in big games.
He is absolutely in the mix. As Cullk said, no run game AT ALL. Jennings has been dinged up all year. Nelson has missed time. Driver has faded and is pretty much irrelevant, and Finley has regressed big time. Rodgers has held that team together and they could be the division leaders after tonight.

To me, I have no idea who the MVP will be. Hell, Brees might even get back in the mix if they can snatch a WC spot. Will be between Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, and Brees IMO.

I'd say Peyton is the lead horse right now, especially with his schedule going forward. He could lead that team to easily winning out and going 13-3. I think they'll have a hiccup at some point most likely, though, and end up 12-4.

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He's also got a top 10 scoring defense that's really stepped up in big games.
Peyton Manning's defense allows 0.5 more points per game and less yards per game...so he's not in the conversation either right?

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Peyton Manning's defense allows 0.5 more points per game and less yards per game...so he's not in the conversation either right?
Peyton Manning's defense has also put him in a position to bring the team back in the 4th quarter multiple times this season.

I have him and Watt at the top. Maybe Rodgers can sneak in with Brady and Brees, who both have big distinguishing opportunities now, but they're on the outside looking in right now.

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Total QBR doesn't normally do anything. It has existed for a single season thus far.

As for Rodgers, he leads the league in official Quarterback rating and in the running to lead in TDs. He is absolutely in the running.
The past 5 MVPs have been the leaders in Total QBR

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The past 5 MVPs have been the leaders in Total QBR
Again, the Total QBR was invented by ESPN LAST YEAR.

It's predictive capability is limited to one season. Last year, it got Aaron Rodgers right... making it one-for-one (though Rodgers was a shoo-in bet... so the merit of the statistic is still questionable).

Stating that it got the previous four correct means nothing as that was the data the calculation was based on. Predicting the past is easy.

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Peyton Manning's defense has also put him in a position to bring the team back in the 4th quarter multiple times this season.

I have him and Watt at the top. Maybe Rodgers can sneak in with Brady and Brees, who both have big distinguishing opportunities now, but they're on the outside looking in right now.
Von Miller is better than Watt

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He's also got a top 10 scoring defense that's really stepped up in big games.
Name the last season where a QB lead the league in Quarterback Rating and finished top-3 in passing TD and WASN'T in the running for MVP.

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Again, the Total QBR was invented by ESPN LAST YEAR.

It's predictive capability is limited to one season. Last year, it got Aaron Rodgers right... making it one-for-one (though Rodgers was a shoo-in bet... so the merit of the statistic is still questionable).

Stating that it got the previous four correct means nothing as that was the data the calculation was based on. Predicting the past is easy.
So, they can't use the stat in previous seasons? Okay. Awesome.

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Von Miller is better than Watt
... you do realize that Watt is only 1.5 sacks behind Miller despite playing as a 3-4 end?

What Watt is doing is unprecedented.

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Von Miller should win DPOY purely based on his sack dances.


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Von Miller should win DPOY purely based on his sack dances.
Gronk for OPOY then

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So, they can't use the stat in previous seasons? Okay. Awesome.
It isn't that it was used in previous seasons... it was BASED on previous seasons.

Touting that a statistic invented to calculate best QB performance (which usually predicts MVP) was able to predict the best QB performance from the data it was based on is circular logic at best. If the calculation couldn't reconcile to it's source data, it would have been completely worthless. As it stands, it is a new measure without a lot of acceptance outside the ESPN world.

To repeat, in terms of actual predictions, Total QBR is 1-for-1. The statistic did not exist in 2010... so could not have been used to predict that winner.


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... you do realize that Watt is only 1.5 sacks behind Miller despite playing as a 3-4 end?

What Watt is doing is unprecedented.
Isn't houston using a 5-2?

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Isn't houston using a 5-2?
3-4 alignment.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexa...chart?team=HOU

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Whenever I watch I hear announcers say they run 5-2 a lot of the time.

And what Von is doing is unprecedented, hes got 24.5 sacks in his first 25 games, second to Derrick Thomas

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Whenever I watch I hear announcers say they run 5-2 a lot of the time.

And what Von is doing is unprecedented, hes got 24.5 sacks in his first 25 games, second to Derrick Thomas
... I don't think you understand what unprecedented means.

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Peyton Manning's defense has also put him in a position to bring the team back in the 4th quarter multiple times this season.

I have him and Watt at the top. Maybe Rodgers can sneak in with Brady and Brees, who both have big distinguishing opportunities now, but they're on the outside looking in right now.
If the reason for Rodgers not being in the discussion is his defense then Manning shouldn't be either. Not sure why you have a double standard when it comes to those two.

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