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11-19-2012, 04:18 PM
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Is this a joke? Each player had one good season.

Mason's good season had 33 wins in 61 games - winning 54% of his games. His sv% was .916.

Reimer's good season had 20 wins in 37 games - winning 54% of his games. His sv% was .921.

Reimer's cap hit is 1.800, while Mason's is 2.900.

What possibly makes you think Mason has more value, when his last three seasons have been very poor?
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LMAO. What? Reimer is worth way more than Mason. Even going by the faulty assumption that Toronto would want Mason at all, you want us to add a pick!?
61 games is still more and had you watched Mason, he showed significantly higher potential. You also have to factor, despite how bad Toronto has been. Columbus has been worse by far. While I certainly am not absolving fault from Mason. He doesn't exactly have much to work with. In any case, I'm not saying either team should or even would do it, but what Reimer's value would be. It's nearly nothing.

Edit: And before anyone jumps. I shall clarify. Reimer has little value because he hasn't proven to be much above your average prospect goalie breaking into the NHL. Most teams would rather run with what they have.

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Didn't he also say he was offered a 1st for MacArthur? Might be a little posturing.
Conditional 1st for Mac. Who knows what the chances were that we'd actually get the 1st.

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Didn't he also say he was offered a 1st for MacArthur? Might be a little posturing.
I can see MacArthur getting a frist wayyyyyyyy before James Reimer MacArthur is 20 goal man what has Riemer done to deserve it ?

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In regards to the OP question, I would say the same value as Lindback/Bobrosky, so a 2nd + a somewhat decent prospect.
I agree with this. Mid second round pick. I rate him as about the 45th best goalie in the NHL in ability and in trade value he's maybe around the same spot.....so what is a backup level talent with some potential to start for an average team worth?

He's like an Alex Auld was when the Canucks acquired him.

2nd at most.

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Didn't he also say he was offered a 1st for MacArthur? Might be a little posturing.
A late 1st for a 26-year old 20-goal scorer is not unreasonable.

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61 games is still more and had you watched Mason, he showed significantly higher potential. You also have to factor, despite how bad Toronto has been. Columbus has been worse by far. While I certainly am not absolving fault from Mason. He doesn't exactly have much to work with. In any case, I'm not saying either team should or even would do it, but what Reimer's value would be. It's nearly nothing.
I did watch Mason. He didn't show significantly higher potential. He showed that he can take advantage of a system and then drop off the face of the earth when he doesn't have that to hide behind anymore.

And he has had multiple years since then where he has been worse than bad, which is an important factor. Reimer had the better start, and then has had 1 mediocre year with an injury, as opposed to three "I want to kill myself he is so bad" years.

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Edit: And before anyone jumps. I shall clarify. Reimer has little value because he hasn't proven to be much above your average prospect goalie breaking into the NHL. Most teams would rather run with what they have.
Excuse me, what was the last time an "average prospect goalie" broke into the league halfway through the season at 22, and played 37 games to finish the year with a 0.921 save percentage?

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A 1st is a 1st. It doesn't matter if it is likely to be a low 1st. If the Leafs offered Kulemin and a 1st for Niemi, I would take that deal and run. Reimer hasn't really proved himself. He has similar value to Bobrovsky. He'll get early round picks, but not a proven 2nd line power forward and a 1st.
Welp. Uh. Welp.

I think the Boston Bruins disagree with you.

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Mason's Calder-year was beyond what Reimer has ever shown. He had Vezina consideration that year. Bobby Ryan probably could have put up 40 goals that season, and still lost the Calder to him.

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I did watch Mason. He didn't show significantly higher potential. He showed that he can take advantage of a system and then drop off the face of the earth when he doesn't have that to hide behind anymore.

And he has had multiple years since then where he has been worse than bad, which is an important factor. Reimer had the better start, and then has had 1 mediocre year with an injury, as opposed to three "I want to kill myself he is so bad" years.


Excuse me, what was the last time an "average prospect goalie" broke into the league halfway through the season at 22, and played 37 games to finish the year with a 0.921 save percentage?
Andrew Raycroft?
Jim Carey?
Steve Mason?

He's a crap goalie who's weaknesses are being exploited mightily...If he was halfway decent Burke would not even consider looking for a legit starter.....after all....he kept Cloutier around for years....

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I would say either what Bobrovsky brought back or slightly more, seeing how there pretty similar value wise with a slight advantage in Reimers favour. Either way I would never trade him, I still see potential in him as a starter. How he played last year before being injured plus in his rookie year shouldn't be overlooked.

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Reimer's value at the moment, even if the Leafs get Lu, is higher to the Leafs than other NHL teams. He shouldn't be traded. Wait for a year or two, let him solidify himself, then, if you have two starters, deal one.

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Mason's Calder-year was beyond what Reimer has ever shown. He had Vezina consideration that year. Bobby Ryan probably could have put up 40 goals that season, and still lost the Calder to him.


Any lie to bash a Leaf, eh?

That season was not even close to Vezina-worthy. There were like 15 goalies at least that were better than him that year, and he has been horrendous for 3 years since then.

And no, being 16th among save percentage leaders (and taking advantage of a system to do it) does not come close to being top-5 in goal-scoring.

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Correction, I got the trophy wrong. It was Hart consideration.

Edit: Nevermind. I was right. I knew he had Vezina consideration.


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Toronto is not going to abandon James Reimer, even if they do get a deal done for Roberto Luongo.

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Any lie to bash a Leaf, eh?

That season was not even close to Vezina-worthy. There were like 15 goalies at least that were better than him that year, and he has been horrendous for 3 years since then.

And no, being 16th among save percentage leaders (and taking advantage of a system to do it) does not come close to being top-5 in goal-scoring.
I don't give a crap about the Leafs. Why would I lie? I got the trophy wrong, that's all.

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I would say either what Bobrovsky brought back or slightly more, seeing how there pretty similar value wise with a slight advantage in Reimers favour. Either way I would never trade him, I still see potential in him as a starter. How he played last year before being injured plus in his rookie year shouldn't be overlooked.
Nobody would acquire him as a starter at this point. All the spots in the NHL are filled with superior talent. So the questions is, who needs him as a backup more than Toronto? Maybe Carolina?

It's easy for a goalie to go on a tera to start a career because shooters have no book on them. Once they do, that's when real career development takes place. Maybe Reimer gets through this phase and has a decent career. But it looks like Burke is not going to bet his own job on it....

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Andrew Raycroft?
Jim Carey?
Steve Mason?

He's a crap goalie who's weaknesses are being exploited mightily...If he was halfway decent Burke would not even consider looking for a legit starter.....after all....he kept Cloutier around for years....
You named 3 people in the history of the league, none of which were as good as Reimer, except Raycroft who was a year older and had already played 21 games in the NHL (thus eliminating him). That does not support your point.

Not to mention that Raycroft and Mason played in a highly defensive system (I don't know about Carey) that were the reasons for their success, and Reimer played in the opposite.

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By virtue of them having Niemi, right?
Him and Alex Stalock/Harri Sateri/Thomas Greiss and the fact that we can't trade Clowe without either getting back another top-6 forward or going into a rebuild.

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You named 3 people in the history of the league, none of which were as good as Reimer, except Raycroft who was a year older and had already played 21 games in the NHL (thus eliminating him). That does not support your point.

Not to mention that Raycroft and Mason played in a highly defensive system (I don't know about Carey) that were the reasons for their success, and Reimer played in the opposite.
So apparently accomplishments don't make a difference anymore.

Not to mention you asked for one. You got three.

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You named 3 people in the history of the league, none of which were as good as Reimer, except Raycroft who was a year older and had already played 21 games in the NHL (thus eliminating him). That does not support your point.

Not to mention that Raycroft and Mason played in a highly defensive system (I don't know about Carey), and Reimer played in the opposite.
Raycroft looked pretty good when you guys gave up Rask for him and had won the calder in his first year. Carey won a Vezina in his first year. Mason won Calder and was in contention for Vezina. What did Reimer do again?

And that was not all the names in NHL history....just the names I could rattle off the top of my head in ten seconds (Neuvirth ....oops there's another one....Holtby....there's another....)

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Any lie to bash a Leaf, eh?

That season was not even close to Vezina-worthy. There were like 15 goalies at least that were better than him that year, and he has been horrendous for 3 years since then.

And no, being 16th among save percentage leaders (and taking advantage of a system to do it) does not come close to being top-5 in goal-scoring.
That was a joke, right? He finished 2nd in Vezina voting that year. And 4th in HART.

http://fromtherink.sbnprivate.com/20...-awards-voting

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I don't give a crap about the Leafs. Why would I lie? I got the trophy wrong, that's all.
Funny, since you are seemingly in every single Leaf thread stating flimsy comments to bash them.

You got the trophy wrong is right. There was absolutely zero chance he would win the Hart or the Vezina.

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Funny, since you are seemingly in every single Leaf thread stating flimsy comments to bash them.

You got the trophy wrong is right. There was absolutely zero chance he would win the Hart or the Vezina.
I said he got consideration. He was 4th in Hart voting, and 2nd in Vezina voting. For a rookie goaltender that's pretty spectacular.

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Funny, since you are seemingly in every single Leaf thread stating flimsy comments to bash them.
Your perception is off.

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You got the trophy wrong is right. There was absolutely zero chance he would win the Hart or the Vezina.
It doesn't matter that he didn't have a realistic shot at winning either, with the years Thomas and some of the forwards had. It was said that he received consideration, and he did, considerably, and factually (more than any other goalie except for Thomas did for the Vezina, and more than any other goalie did for the Hart). Whether you decide to ignore that is beyond the point.

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