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11-19-2012, 01:11 PM
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I still absolutely believe that most if not all of the story is true. Reason: Snider said in his statement that his support to Bettman remains "solid".

Solid in business language is anything but not strong support. An indication about Sniders' real feelings i'd guess.

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11-19-2012, 01:14 PM
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Depends on the benchmark.
No because there is a difference between actually winning and just calling something a win.

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11-19-2012, 01:24 PM
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I still absolutely believe that most if not all of the story is true. Reason: Snider said in his statement that his support to Bettman remains "solid".

Solid in business language is anything but not strong support. An indication about Sniders' real feelings i'd guess.
Snider is very much a libertinian and right wing towards unions......


but he may be rethinking his timing...they are not going to break the union this year
and he wants to play hockey...willing to forgoe his objectives and more profit to get the season on the road?

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11-19-2012, 01:29 PM
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Snider is very much a libertinian and right wing towards unions......


but he may be rethinking his timing...they are not going to break the union this year
and he wants to play hockey...willing to forgoe his objectives and more profit to get the season on the road?
Snider is 79. He probably wants to see his team win the Cup before you know...

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11-19-2012, 01:35 PM
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Yeah, something doesn't add up here. The delay and outright cancellation, hoops sponsors and partners have to jump through? Management at those companies can change quickly, and the reallocation or cuts to ad spending can happen very quickly.
...its a mess, a Nightmare for many of them. They'll have produced collateral materials, print & broadcast (commercials), booked space with various publications; signed contracts with various media outlets (TV & Radio); on-line publishers & chat boards, expensive creative & production costs that they cant get back, even use elsewhere as its NHL or team/player specific and so Bam!, there goes millions in production costs, millions upon millions more in space & air-time reservations which usually contain penalties for cancellation.

As the primary demographic is the all important 18-34 year old male, followed by the 34-54yr old, a sizeable portion of which has had post secondary education with one of if not the highest combined household income averages in comparison to the NBA, MLB & the NFL, alternatives will have to be sought in the short-term. So lets say Brewery X or whatever goes on a spree elsewhere, finds out its actually a lot more cost effective, providing results; why bother going back to the NHL when the Lockout ends, facing an uphill battle to regain market share, your name associated with what many will view as a cold & completely callous league in taking its fans for granted? To retain these advertisers & sponsors, the leagues going to have to discount & wholesale rates for what, 2-3 seasons minimum? That alone is another loss of tens upon tens of millions. Cancelled cable subscriptions. Market shrinkage. Damn straight Ed Snider gets that.

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11-19-2012, 01:44 PM
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Snider is very much a libertinian and right wing towards unions......


but he may be rethinking his timing...they are not going to break the union this year
and he wants to play hockey...willing to forgoe his objectives and more profit to get the season on the road?

He's also a Randist (Ayn Rand). He would have a hard reconciling Revenue Sharing and making sacrifices that cost actual $$$ for the good of the collective-- I would guess.

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11-19-2012, 02:00 PM
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Friedman (CBC):

"That's why it wasn't a surprise to read a Philadelphia Daily News report that Flyers chairman Ed Snider had "soured on the process." Snider, who owns approximately 30 per cent of the team, denied the story, but I would just say this about Daily News writer Frank Seravalli: He's not one to make wild guesses.

The obvious question for any annoyed fan reading this blog would be: Why doesn't someone say something publicly? It's a great question because I think there are people itching to do it.

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Obviously, any owner who makes a statement risks a $1-million fine. By now, that's pocket change compared to what some of their teams have lost in revenue. It's not the money, though, it's what happens down the road.

"The commissioner [Gary Bettman] will remember," one executive said.


Outdoor games, entry drafts, all-star weekend, even a spot on the powerful executive committee -- all of that stuff is important for owners to get. Step out of line and you know those opportunities are lost."


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...iscontent.html

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11-19-2012, 02:01 PM
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He's also a Randist (Ayn Rand).
"The question isnt who's going to let me;
the question is who is going to stop me"?.
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11-19-2012, 02:55 PM
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He's also a Randist (Ayn Rand). He would have a hard reconciling Revenue Sharing and making sacrifices that cost actual $$$ for the good of the collective-- I would guess.
I believe Snider cares more about seeing the Flyers win than he does that other stuff.

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11-19-2012, 04:36 PM
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I believe Snider cares more about seeing the Flyers win than he does that other stuff.
he did create the Rand insitute...so who knows(but Snider)

Its really about core philosphy....so who knows.

hey if you have billions too...why do you need to worry about getting more???



on the positive the players have prasied him in the past(flyers)


and yes he doesnt have alot of time ,parse to win a cup and he likes his hockey..so who knows.





bottom line some of these hardliners tend to think diffrent than alot of us avg joes..

its hard to contmplate what there priorty is...but have to watch their actions..

till proven otherwise I would see his actions more focused on sweeping aside unions/oppsition to his "higher ideals"

I would see it more of him being practical in seeing the hardline approach isnt going to garner their profits and playing this year.......reload for next time ,reload to his higher focus


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He's also a Randist (Ayn Rand). He would have a hard reconciling Revenue Sharing and making sacrifices that cost actual $$$ for the good of the collective-- I would guess.
yes I would agree,it goes against all the principles of Ayn Rand....and most likely his own

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Friedman (CBC):

[I]"That's why it wasn't a surprise to read a Philadelphia Daily News report that Flyers chairman Ed Snider had "soured on the process." Snider, who owns approximately 30 per cent of the team, denied the story, but I would just say this about Daily News writer Frank Seravalli: He's not one to make wild guesses.
I disagree about Seravalli. He is the least reliable of the Flyers beat writers. He has put several bogus items out there in the past.

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I disagree about Seravalli. He is the least reliable of the Flyers beat writers. He has put several bogus items out there in the past.
That says a lot considering he is going up against Panaccio and Carchidi!

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The timing is interesting too; right after Giroux reportedly gets hurt. There's no way that Snider, who seems hell-bent on seeing one more Cup, is pleased to see his core players racking up injuries overseas.
Exactly.

I don't like Snider, his philosophy, or his team, but he is a shrewd businessman. He has to realize there is no "win" in this lockout scenario for either side. He's tuned in with sponsors and the business aspect of the league.

Fan apathy is building, and he knows that won't bode well for the team's pocketbook. If he helps end this, good on him.

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11-19-2012, 07:01 PM
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Friedman (CBC):

"That's why it wasn't a surprise to read a Philadelphia Daily News report that Flyers chairman Ed Snider had "soured on the process." Snider, who owns approximately 30 per cent of the team, denied the story, but I would just say this about Daily News writer Frank Seravalli: He's not one to make wild guesses.

The obvious question for any annoyed fan reading this blog would be: Why doesn't someone say something publicly? It's a great question because I think there are people itching to do it.

...

Obviously, any owner who makes a statement risks a $1-million fine. By now, that's pocket change compared to what some of their teams have lost in revenue. It's not the money, though, it's what happens down the road.

"The commissioner [Gary Bettman] will remember," one executive said.


Outdoor games, entry drafts, all-star weekend, even a spot on the powerful executive committee -- all of that stuff is important for owners to get. Step out of line and you know those opportunities are lost."


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...iscontent.html
Geez- what kind of commissioner is this guy? Doesn't he work for the BoG; does he have the final say on all the plums? Find that hard to believe but, if true, no wonder they're in so much trouble.

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Geez- what kind of commissioner is this guy? Doesn't he work for the BoG; does he have the final say on all the plums? Find that hard to believe but, if true, no wonder they're in so much trouble.
whats so hard to believe? who do u think gets to pick out who gets the all star game, drafts, winter classic, ect...

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11-20-2012, 01:47 AM
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He's also a Randist (Ayn Rand). He would have a hard reconciling Revenue Sharing and making sacrifices that cost actual $$$ for the good of the collective-- I would guess.
Maybe he would be against doing things for the good of the collective but since their philosophy is "nobody will stop me" then he could go all out and tell the players to rot whatever it takes. Because them losing power would be good for him.

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Bettman has been playing this as all-in from the beginning. The minority owner of a team doesn't have much pull. The ownership group of this league is near a hundred seperate entities and each will have a strong opinion. Bettman has his mandate, Schnieder has his opinion.

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Bettman has been playing this as all-in from the beginning. The minority owner of a team doesn't have much pull. The ownership group of this league is near a hundred seperate entities and each will have a strong opinion. Bettman has his mandate, Schnieder has his opinion.
Ed Snider isn't a "minority owner of a team." W. Brett Wilson (to pick a name that should be familiar from the Shea Weber situation over the summer) is a minority owner of a team.

Snider? Dude mortgaged his house to pay the franchise fees to start the club. He was the founder and owner of the Flyers and their parent company Spectacor until FREAKING COMCAST bought a majority interest - and they then kept him around as Chairman and CEO.


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11-20-2012, 12:34 PM
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... wow there. Dont know that Junior was discounting Ed Sniders weight & heft within the league itself. No question he's been one of the most powerful and influential owners in the league pretty much since the early 70's when his Flyers combined with some excellent players quite literally punched their way to the top of the heap. Really it was touch & go there in the City of Brotherly Love from 67-68 through 71-72 or so, the Flyers always competitive & more than respectable ever since. Over the years, his power, influence & of course wealth has grown to staggering heights. Anyone who underestimates Ed Sniders influence on the mechanizations of the NHL does so at their own expense. Even at his age, Id hazard to guess he's by far a lot more powerful than Jacobs in determining policy & direction, and forget about MSG or MLSE, rendered impotent despite their wealth. That guy flexes his muscles, look out. Of the lot, he's probably the only one that Gary Bettman actually worries about, fears, and for good reason.


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I have to agree with the last two people the synder family is powerful and done a lot of good for hockey in usa.

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Snider is 79. He probably wants to see his team win the Cup before you know...
I was thinking the same thing. Philly has been super aggressive the last bunch of years in trades and signings. He wants a cup BADLY. Father time catches us all.

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Snider is the minority owner of the Flyers in the same way that the President is a minority player in the US Government.

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Snider is the minority owner of the Flyers in the same way that the President is a minority player in the US Government.
... pretty much. People might think New York City is the NHL's Capital, but in reality? Philadelphia Baby. Pennsylvania. Jacobs, AEG, Bettman & all the rest of them serve at Sniders leisure and indulgence. When he's had enough of this nonsense, believe
you me; lockouts over.

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Haha, I'm not saying that he's the most influential man in the NHL. I'm pointing out that saying he's "just minority owner" of the Flyers doesn't reflect reality.

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