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11-19-2012, 12:52 PM
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I prefer Nattinen to Dumont, tbh.

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I can see Dumont being like a Scott Nichol type of player, he won't fight as much as him but he'll be solid defensively and he'd bring some energy on the fourth line.

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11-19-2012, 03:39 PM
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I prefer Nattinen to Dumont, tbh.
Naatinen will be a center for the Habs 3rd or 4th line in the future,he has the skating,size and if his faceoff % comes back to anywhere near what he's done in Finland 63% he's assured of a career IMO.

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Nattinen's skating looks awkward to me at times.

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Nattinen's skating looks awkward to me at times.
Not as awkward as Avtsin. Weird looking.

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Nattinen is a very intriguing prospect for sure.

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I remember when Nattinen was drafted.

Some fans were calling him a "Koivu with size", which could not possibly be on the basis that he is a 6'2" center from Finland.

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11-19-2012, 06:22 PM
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I remember when Nattinen was drafted.

Some fans were calling him a "Koivu with size", which could not possibly be on the basis that he is a 6'2" center from Finland.
He was highly ranked at the time and performed well in U20s. Still a decent prospect.

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11-19-2012, 06:27 PM
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I think that for a 4th line, size matters more on the wing than center position. I want players who are atleast "Travis Moen size". Anyways, I think Dumont is a better solution than Nokelainen or White for 4th line center. He's the kind of player who would thrive on a line where he has protection.
Maxim Lapierre is the ideal 4th line center imo.

- Good faceoff percentage, including 52.1% last year;
- Good size, 6'2" and 207 lbs;
- Is among NHL leaders for drawing penalties;
- Is good on the penalty kill, averaged 1:08 on the PK last year for the elite Vancouver Canucks;
- Provides decent secondary scoring, with a career average of ~10 goals and ~10 assists per 82 game season.
- Is only 27 years old, and has a marginal injury history.
- Plays for a reasonable cap hit of 1,000,000/year.

I can see why we let him go. We really needed Brett Festerling and that 5th round draft pick.

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11-19-2012, 06:47 PM
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Maxim Lapierre is the ideal 4th line center imo.

- Good faceoff percentage, including 52.1% last year;
- Good size, 6'2" and 207 lbs;
- Is among NHL leaders for drawing penalties;
- Is good on the penalty kill, averaged 1:08 on the PK last year for the elite Vancouver Canucks;
- Provides decent secondary scoring, with a career average of ~10 goals and ~10 assists per 82 game season.
- Is only 27 years old, and has a marginal injury history.
- Plays for a reasonable cap hit of 1,000,000/year.

I can see why we let him go. We really needed Brett Festerling and that 5th round draft pick.
Lapierre asked for the trade. He thought he could be more than a 3rd-4th liner. After Anaheim, he said it was a slap in the face. Gauthier had to deal with this. The return wasn't much, but maybe at the time the demand wasn't really high for a whinny 3rd liner.

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Lapierre is one of those guys I could really see coming back some day. Before he's 35, even.

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Lapierre is one of those guys I could really see coming back some day. Before he's 35, even.
No way.

You know we only get useful French Canadians when they're way past their prime

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Not as awkward as Avtsin. Weird looking.
Yeah it almost looks like he doesn't dig in when he skates. He lifts his legs up really high.

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Yeah it almost looks like he doesn't dig in when he skates. He lifts his legs up really high.
It appears that there remains a serious weakness in the teaching of some of the prospects,that of skating coach.Ian Schultz,Avtsin,Pribyl,Naatinen and many more prospects aren't reaching their potentials without learning proper skating technique.All defencemen need good skating.Joe Sakic told Popeye Jones that good skating is imperative to being an NHL player.Why draft a player and not provide adequate coaching on a fundamental skill basic to becoming a good or great player.

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Maxim Lapierre is the ideal 4th line center imo.

- Good faceoff percentage, including 52.1% last year;
- Good size, 6'2" and 207 lbs;
- Is among NHL leaders for drawing penalties;
- Is good on the penalty kill, averaged 1:08 on the PK last year for the elite Vancouver Canucks;
- Provides decent secondary scoring, with a career average of ~10 goals and ~10 assists per 82 game season.
- Is only 27 years old, and has a marginal injury history.
- Plays for a reasonable cap hit of 1,000,000/year.

I can see why we let him go. We really needed Brett Festerling and that 5th round draft pick.
Max Lapierre is also a grade A ***** while Dumont has balls of steel. Lapierre can stay where he's at thank you very much.

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Looks like tonight's game isn't on TVA sports.

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It appears that there remains a serious weakness in the teaching of some of the prospects,that of skating coach.Ian Schultz,Avtsin,Pribyl,Naatinen and many more prospects aren't reaching their potentials without learning proper skating technique.All defencemen need good skating.Joe Sakic told Popeye Jones that good skating is imperative to being an NHL player.Why draft a player and not provide adequate coaching on a fundamental skill basic to becoming a good or great player.
Well they don't get to work with them until they're already 18 years old, it's hard to change something they've been doing all their lives.

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11-20-2012, 10:57 AM
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Wish I was going to tonight's game, curious about Tirnordi and Beaulieu live.. Watched Ice Caps versus Devils Saturday.. Henrique is so good, Adam Larsson was pretty good too but all I could see was him getting lined up by Subban last year

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It appears that there remains a serious weakness in the teaching of some of the prospects,that of skating coach.Ian Schultz,Avtsin,Pribyl,Naatinen and many more prospects aren't reaching their potentials without learning proper skating technique.All defencemen need good skating.Joe Sakic told Popeye Jones that good skating is imperative to being an NHL player.Why draft a player and not provide adequate coaching on a fundamental skill basic to becoming a good or great player.
How could the Habs help Avtsin, Pribyl and Nattinen with their skating when they were playing in Europe and had their own coaches there? Also the person who needs to work the hardest to get better is the player himself. Its not that expansive to take their own power skating course in the offseason.

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Stortini and Hagel in the lineup tonight, Nattinen draws the short straw tipped with poison oak on it center them.

Lefebvre needs to stop using clowns who can't do anything to help him win games.

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Stortini and Hagel in the lineup tonight, Nattinen draws the short straw tipped with poison oak on it center them.

Lefebvre needs to stop using clowns who can't do anything to help him win games.
I guess they are there for a "veteren presence", but they are pretty freaking useless and have no future with the habs. Would like to see the team invest less time in these clowns.

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11-20-2012, 12:11 PM
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Stortini and Hagel in the lineup tonight, Nattinen draws the short straw tipped with poison oak on it center them.

Lefebvre needs to stop using clowns who can't do anything to help him win games.
So who's out? Avtsin?

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So who's out? Avtsin?
I would hope Berger.

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So far I havent been overly impressed with Lefebvre, although not having some useful veterans is not helping his flexibility and ability to teach young players.

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Well they don't get to work with them until they're already 18 years old, it's hard to change something they've been doing all their lives.
It's going to change under Bergevin's staff,that will be one of the priorities along with being in great shape and adding muscle weight.Most of the prospects have good work ethics,but some things need hands on training to be effective.While on the basics the skills Max Domi has are exemplary and he can do things on the backhand similar to the stars in the 60's and 70's,like Dave Keon and Jean Beliveau could.Kids should be taught these skills so that they are second nature to them by the time they reach their teens, players are so much better prepared in this generation and will only improve.Galchenyuk has all of these skills and more,he will be a great Captain in a few years.

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