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11-19-2012, 09:09 PM
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Thousands? Exhaggerate much? Where did you get that from? They currently have 14,500 unobstructed seats and plan to add 500-1000 more which that status isn't known now. Do you just make stuff up for fun?
No, they have 14,500 seats total for NHL configuration. And yes, there are going to be lots of obstructed seats at the Barclays Center when the Isles play there, as has been reported by plenty of media sources, such as....

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In upper bowl sections 203, 204, 228 and 229, there will be an obstructed view of the ice.
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/10/...g-chart-hockey

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Rather than center the hockey rink on the arena floor, it is shifted toward one end, so it is not possible to see the near-side goal from that side of the building, rendering many seats unusable because of obstructed sight lines.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...tter-1.4150684

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Ice cold: The Barclays Center’s unconventional horseshoe-shaped seating arrangement for hockey games would leave thousands of fans with obstructed seats.
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories..._05_18_bk.html

From a two second search on Google using the top three articles that came up. And there are plenty more.

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A few questions:

1) is the 14,500 figure including the obstructed view seats or will they not sell obstructed view seats meaning there are 14,500 AVAILABLE seats.

2) I remember the arena was supposed to be dual purpose but then they scaled it back to save money making it a one sport arena. How much did they save? How much could it cost to turn it into a true two sport venue?

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A few questions:

1) is the 14,500 figure including the obstructed view seats or will they not sell obstructed view seats meaning there are 14,500 AVAILABLE seats.

2) I remember the arena was supposed to be dual purpose but then they scaled it back to save money making it a one sport arena. How much did they save? How much could it cost to turn it into a true two sport venue?
1) The 14,500 figure includes obstructed seats. The basketball capacity is 17,700+, which equals the Isles configuration plus the number of removed and totally obstructed seats that can't be used, period.

2) No clue. I've heard very varied figures for that one. But adding many more would be prohibitively expensive, given the arena's small footprint.

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1) The 14,500 figure includes obstructed seats. The basketball capacity is 17,700+, which equals the Isles configuration plus the number of removed and totally obstructed seats that can't be used, period.

2) No clue. I've heard very varied figures for that one. But adding many more would be prohibitively expensive, given the arena's small footprint.
At the Barclay's press conference, which Bettman, Ratner, Wang, Yorkman and Bloomberg all attended and spoke at, Bettman said Barclay's would be adding more seats for hockey before 2015. Bettman's saying he expects 15,000+ seats.


Later in the day, during a wfan interview, Wang said Barclay's will be adding more seats. Wang is saying they'll have 15,500 seats.

So, clearly, despite the extra cost, Ratner has told Wang and Bettman that they will be adding extra seats.

Isles current arena has 31 luxury suites. Barclay's has 100 luxury suites.
According to the NY Times, the isles will look to make their money on the luxury suites, not the cheaper regular seats.

BD Gallof wrote that tix prices will be 25% higher then they are at NVMC.

The article below looks at other ways the isles could make $, despite the seating arrangement.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories..._05_18_bk.html
“It eliminates some very viable seats especially in the lower half of the venue,” said Ray Katz, a managing partner of Source1 Sports and a Flatbush native who teaches sports management at Columbia University. “But it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for that team to have limited seating. It would still be a great thing for Brooklyn.”

The team could even turn lemons into iced lemonade by using some of the arena’s dead space to sell ads and merchandise, Katz said.

“There’s other ways to generate revenue from that side of the arena,” said Katz.

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Galloff's reporting NYI tix prices, will rise 25% after the move.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/10/...slanders-away/
• And, remember, those 14,500 (or now 15,500) seats will be priced 25 percent higher than the seats at the Coliseum, which would be equivalent to 17,300 Coliseum seats.

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Galloff's reporting NYI tix prices, will rise 25% after the move.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/10/...slanders-away/
• And, remember, those 14,500 (or now 15,500) seats will be priced 25 percent higher than the seats at the Coliseum, which would be equivalent to 17,300 Coliseum seats.
wow, talk about making up numbers from out your a$$

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wow, talk about making up numbers from out your a$$
How so?

Wang and Bettman have both publicly said there will be seats added for Barclay's hockey. Bettman's saying 15,000+, while Wang is saying 15,500.

The NVMC has 16,257 seats. Isles lose between 700-1,200 regular seats.

Every article I've come across, that mentions tix prices, warns that Brooklyn tix prices will be higher then the current NVMC prices.

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Steve55 posted the article below on the Isle board.

I was scratching my head over WHY Ratner would become an advisor to Nassau County pols, in their attempt to develop the Coliseum land. Steve55 pointed out, that Ratner will be trying to help the isles get out of their current lease early.


http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...ed:i=1.4245726

Sources: Ratner to play key role in Coliseum's future
Updated: Nov 20, 2012 09:36 AM
By RANDI F. MARSHALL

Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano will announce Tuesday that Ratner will play a strategic role in developing an entertainment facility at the Coliseum, the centerpiece of the Hub site, the sources said. Donald Monti, of Renaissance Downtowns in Plainview , will be designated as the master developer on the rest of the property, beyond the arena itself, the sources said.

Wang introduced Ratner to Mangano in recent weeks, a source close to the situation said. Wang has a lease to play all Islanders home games at the Coliseum through June 2015 and also owns the Long Island Marriott Hotel and has an easement giving him control of the property between the hotel and the arena.

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At the Barclay's press conference, which Bettman, Ratner, Wang, Yorkman and Bloomberg all attended and spoke at, Bettman said Barclay's would be adding more seats for hockey before 2015. Bettman's saying he expects 15,000+ seats.


Later in the day, during a wfan interview, Wang said Barclay's will be adding more seats. Wang is saying they'll have 15,500 seats.
First of all, trusting Bettman and Wang's word at face value is hardly a smart idea.

Second, I could see them adding some seats by squeezing stuff in here and there, but not very many more that would change it from being the smallest or the second smallest in the league. Plus, as I've pointed out, there are going to be at least a thousand seats with obstructed views, and likely more, and if new seats are added it's a fairly safe assumption that there will be more partially obstructed seats as that'll be the area where space will be more readily available.

Third, the previous poster asked how much it would cost to turn Barclays into a truly two sport venue. Adding a few hundred seats is not going to magically make Barclays into an intended two sport venue. Simply put, its footprint is too small and unless they want to significantly cut into available seating and/or completely redo the interior of the arena for a different juxtaposition of everything, both of which would be prohibitively expensive, it will remain a basketball venue that just so happens to host a hockey team, much like the formerly-named Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis. Some sections will have views just as nice as any arena in the league, but others will have the worst by far.

And I'm not claiming that there aren't more money-making opportunities for the Isles in Barclays vs Nassau. You're right, there will be many more luxury booths that they can make some bank off of. Just pointing out that it will be an awkward seating arrangement for many of the traditional seats in the arena for hockey and that the nosebleeds will be quite large.


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Another random question I vaguely recall the original plan for Citi Field was for it to be a retractable dome and the grass field would slide out and it could be used for basketball and/or hockey.

Anyone remember this and if the Islanders were interested in it?

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No clue about that, but somehow doubt it. A domed Citi Field would just be stunningly cavernous and probably would have to guess that, much like the Winter Classics in Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia, a significant chunk of the seats would not be very pleasant for hockey. Might work for a one-off event like the Winter Classics, but probably wouldn't be a good venue long-term.

If memory serves, the Bolts had a similar issue when they played in the Thunderdome. Lots and lots and lots of seats, but not many good ones given the distance from the rink.

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First of all, trusting Bettman and Wang's word at face value is hardly a smart idea.
Wang and Bettman did not have to say anything, about adding 500-1,000 regular seats.

All they needed to do, was point out that the isles current arena has 31 luxury suites and Barclays has 100 luxury suites.

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Second, I could see them adding some seats by squeezing stuff in here and there, but not very many more that would change it from being the smallest or the second smallest in the league.
I expect it to be the 2nd smallest at 15,500. Imo the isles stronger lease+ their big cable deal+ their new revenue sharing, are three of five keys for Wang. Isles also need to improve their on ice product to increase attendance and make the playoffs to bring in playoff revenue.


http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...tter-1.4150684
Brett Yormark, Barclays CEO, said the added seats probably would be squeezed into the west end of the rink, perhaps as part of a high-end hospitality area.



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Third, the previous poster asked how much it would cost to turn Barclays into a truly two sport venue. Adding a few hundred seats is not going to magically make Barclays into an intended two sport venue. Simply put, its footprint is too small and unless they want to significantly cut into available seating and/or completely redo the interior of the arena for a different juxtaposition of everything, both of which would be prohibitively expensive, it will remain a basketball venue that just so happens to host a hockey team, much like the formerly-named Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis. Some sections will have views just as nice as any arena in the league, but others will have the worst by far.
So the isles will sell the seats with bad sight lines, as cheap seats.
While, those extra 69 luxury suites add an extra $35m a season in revenue.

I don't think the isles would have signed a 25 yr lease, if Ratner and Yormark had not made assurances about adding seats.



http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/20...omplex-issues/
The main benefit in this move “is not in the increased revenue the Isles will get from the average fan; it’s in the huge increase they’ll get from selling luxury suites and premium club seats,” said Tony Knopp, chief executive officer of Spotlight TMS, a company that manages corporate tickets at Barclays Center and other sites around the country.

The Coliseum, built in 1972 and barely renovated since, has 31 luxury suites and a relatively small number of high-priced premium seats. Knopp estimates that the suites generate about $3 million a year and the premium seats about $16 million.

Barclays Center, which is far more geographically convenient to corporate customers than the Coliseum, has 104 luxury suites. Knopp estimated that those suites would generate about $21 million for the Islanders, while premium seating would generate an additional $33 million. That comes to $54 million from suites and premium seats — $35 million more per year than what the Islanders generate at the Coliseum.

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Another random question I vaguely recall the original plan for Citi Field was for it to be a retractable dome and the grass field would slide out and it could be used for basketball and/or hockey.

Anyone remember this and if the Islanders were interested in it?
The retractable roof idea, was mentioned in the press for the National Tennis Center.

I don't recall discussion, about a retractable dome for Citi Field.

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Again, you seem to be confusing what I'm saying. Not saying that the Barclays Center won't inherently offer more money-making opportunities than Nassau for the Isles. Just saying that a lot of seats will have issues and it will obviously be a venue not intended for full-time hockey usage. And, if the Isles become competitive, they'd assuredly be able to jack up ticket prices even in the nosebleeds to make even more money.

And of course they'd sign a long-term lease without assurances of more seats, if they had given up building an arena of their own (which, given how much Wang has gone through with Lighthouse, would not be that surprising) and a recognition of the fact that their revenue generating opportunities remain significantly higher in the NYC metro area than almost anywhere else. When plenty of other posters were quick to bring up the Isles as a relocation candidate, I've been saying for months that it'll never happen for their local cable deal alone, not to mention that a local group would probably offer as much cash, if not more, than any other group that would like to buy the team and move them elsewhere and that the league would fight tooth and nail to avoid the embarrassment of moving a team out of the largest physical market in the country.

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No, they have 14,500 seats total for NHL configuration. And yes, there are going to be lots of obstructed seats at the Barclays Center when the Isles play there, as has been reported by plenty of media sources, such as....


http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/10/...g-chart-hockey


http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...tter-1.4150684


http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories..._05_18_bk.html

From a two second search on Google using the top three articles that came up. And there are plenty more.
No, the man who built the place says "you'll have 14 to 15 thousand seats that are perfect views" for hockey. Listen at 2:13 below. Ratner has also been on local NY radio saying 14,500 seats are unobstructed. You said there would be thousands of seats obstructed..... but those won't be sold.

Do we listen to the basement bloggers and wannabe media hacks you posted who know nothing or do we listen to the man who built the place?


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prices will definitely go up, but nobody can say for sure by how much

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No, the man who built the place says "you'll have 14 to 15 thousand seats that are perfect views" for hockey. Listen at 2:13 below. Ratner has also been on local NY radio saying 14,500 seats are unobstructed. You said there would be thousands of seats obstructed..... but those won't be sold.

Do we listen to the basement bloggers and wannabe media hacks you posted who know nothing or do we listen to the man who built the place?

So.... should we listen to the actual media that's reported on what the venue would be like or the owners of the venue trying to make a sale for why they can host a second team and make millions in the process?

Hmm.....

The only people that are hyping how great Barclays will be for hockey and not talking about how there will, in fact, be lots of obstructed seats and an awkward overall configuration just so happen to work for, or are affiliated with, the league, the team, or the arena. I wonder why that is?

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So.... should we listen to the actual media that's reported on what the venue would be like or the owners of the venue trying to make a sale for why they can host a second team and make millions in the process?

Hmm.....

The only people that are hyping how great Barclays will be for hockey and not talking about how there will, in fact, be lots of obstructed seats and an awkward overall configuration just so happen to work for, or are affiliated with, the league, the team, or the arena. I wonder why that is?


Yup, the media that hasn't seen a hockey game there knows more than the BUILDER who approved the design and who will be selling the tickets as non-obstructed.

Give it a rest. You're wrong and interpreted the media wrongly as many obstructed seats won't be sold.


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prices will definitely go up, but nobody can say for sure by how much
Isles have been taking $200 deposits on season tixs, since the day they announced the move.

I don't think Gallof is making up numbers.

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Yup, the media that hasn't seen a hockey game there knows more than the BUILDER who approved the design and who will be selling the tickets as non-obstructed.

Give it a rest. You're wrong and interpreted the media wrongly as many obstructed seats won't be sold.
Keep telling yourself that Barclays is somehow different from every other arena with similar configurations. You're just blindly following obviously non-objective statements designed to convince the appeal and suitability of the venue as an NHL home and calling people on the outside that are questioning the official line as mere media hacks.

This has been discussed ad nauseam in topics regarding the Isles and Barclays for months now. It's not a shocking revelation to anyone and has been discussed by the media for as long as well.

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Keep telling yourself that Barclays is somehow different from every other arena with similar configurations. You're just blindly following obviously non-objective statements designed to convince the appeal and suitability of the venue as an NHL home and calling people on the outside that are questioning the official line as mere media hacks.

This has been discussed ad nauseam in topics regarding the Isles and Barclays for months now. It's not a shocking revelation to anyone and has been discussed by the media for as long as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if several of the 100 suites in the Barclay's Centre being touted by a poster on here also have an obstructed view - those at the end of the arena where the seats will be retracted to accomodate the ice surface. Unless of course people enjoy leaning over the railings in their private boxes to look directly down at the action going on in their end of the rink.

Expect several of those 100 boxes to be severely discounted or not available at all for the Islanders games and thus, a significant loss of a revenue stream.

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I wouldn't be surprised if several of the 100 suites in the Barclay's Centre being touted by a poster on here also have an obstructed view - those at the end of the arena where the seats will be retracted to accomodate the ice surface. Unless of course people enjoy leaning over the railings in their private boxes to look directly down at the action going on in their end of the rink.

Expect several of those 100 boxes to be severely discounted or not available at all for the Islanders games and thus, a significant loss of a revenue stream.
I haven't come across any mention in the press, about Barclay's 100 luxury suites having obstructed views. If you come across that info, then please post it.

Meanwhile, Ratner will be working as a free advisor to Nassau County, regarding the Coliseum land development. Several of our posters, think this is Ratner's attempt to get the isles out of their Coliseum lease before 2015.

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...ed:i=1.4245726

Monti said he hopes to break ground next year. He said that besides entertainment, he envisions a research and development facility on the site. And he said he was "ecstatic" to work with Ratner.

Developers and other officials suggested that a venue earmarked for college sports, preseason games or minor league teams, in addition to other entertainment options, could have 8,000 to 12,000 seats. The Coliseum currently has more than 16,000 seats. A smaller arena, officials said, would require fewer parking spaces. Structured parking, which can cost up to $25,000 per space, has been an issue in the past.

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The retractable roof idea, was mentioned in the press for the National Tennis Center.

I don't recall discussion, about a retractable dome for Citi Field.
found it!

http://stadiumpage.blogspot.com/2010...mets-dome.html

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That article says the Mets considered a retractable dome plan in 1998.
There is no mention of the NYI in that article.

Wang didn't buy the isles until 2000. He wasn't awarded the arena Lighthouse deal until 2005.

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That article says the Mets considered a retractable dome plan in 1998.
There is no mention of the NYI in that article.

Wang didn't buy the isles until 2000. He wasn't awarded the arena Lighthouse deal until 2005.
Right that article didn't mention the Islanders. I can't find the article that does. Again its been almost 15 years and I only recall it being mentioned in passing.

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