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11-19-2012, 09:15 AM
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I also noted that he still is a boy in a mans body. He hasn't developed man strength to meet his almost 6'5 body. In addition, he seemed to be the first member of his line off the ice (condition?). I would guess he's a 4 year player + 2 years at AHL projection. I do like his down low play and passing ability.
Based on what I've been reading on Wisconsin boards, that program is such a clusterfudge right now, maybe we'll see him leave early. Could actually be good for his development.

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11-19-2012, 09:20 AM
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Nice, thanks for the recap. I've been trying to keep up to speed on Labate but all Wisconsin sites are just 100% doom and gloom.
Wisconsin was playing with a 3rd forward high, do Labate at times was playing this role. He was pretty good on the back check in transition and when he wasn't the 3rd guy he looked decent on the forecheck.

He didn't fall around much, looks stronger, but has a lot of room to grow.

I don't know why he wasn't getting better PP minutes because he was contributing offensively at EV strength more than others.

Seems he doesn't PK because they has juniors and seniors with better ability to do so.

I kept an eye on Morgan Zuinick too after reading some of what thefeebster had to say last year. He looks decently polished for a freshmen. Offensively it's tough to get a read because the badgers don't look all that good.

Unrelated, but Riley Barber, is having a great breakout season as a freshman for Miami(?). He was another guy the feebster brought up. Washington got him in the 6th round. Another finger to be pointed at the scouts IMO.

Earlier in this thread people were looking for ways to track stats for our NCAA guys, well there is a good thread on he prospects forward to do this as they group each teams prospects together and summarize heir contributions. Wes Myron scored his first point , a goal, this weekend for BU.

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11-19-2012, 09:22 AM
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I also noted that he still is a boy in a mans body. He hasn't developed man strength to meet his almost 6'5 body. In addition, he seemed to be the first member of his line off the ice (condition?). I would guess he's a 4 year player + 2 years at AHL projection. I do like his down low play and passing ability.
I'd say it's because he's the closest one to he bench/ neutral zone when they are playing the LW lock.

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11-19-2012, 05:10 PM
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On the positive side, our 1st round pick from that year recently managed to move up from the German 3rd division to the German 2nd division.
It's actually funny that our 6th round pick from that draft has turned out to be the best player we drafted. Well, maybe not funny, but extremely depressing.

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11-19-2012, 05:41 PM
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It's actually funny that our 6th round pick from that draft has turned out to be the best player we drafted. Well, maybe not funny, but extremely depressing.

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If only those two (White/Ellington) were the only duds from that year....

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11-19-2012, 06:07 PM
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At the very least, at some point the GM has to be held accountable for failing to recognize his scouts' ineptitude. It's still too early to write off MG as being bad at this, but the early returns aren't promising (though miles ahead of the previous regime).
Yeah, somehow I think he's done a better job with pretty much the same staff that Burke and Nonis had... but at some point you have to think he can only do so much to correct for systemic flaws with your scouting, even if he's asking them to identify the right things.

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IMO he's spending too much time trying to outsmart everyone else, it's like he's using the Canucks as his test subject to try out revolutionary new drafting methods he's always wondered about.
What do you mean by this though? By taking almost all overagers in the last draft? Perhaps he's already recognized the ineptitude in some of his scouts?

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At the very least, at some point the GM has to be held accountable for failing to recognize his scouts' ineptitude. It's still too early to write off MG as being bad at this, but the early returns aren't promising (though miles ahead of the previous regime). IMO he's spending too much time trying to outsmart everyone else, it's like he's using the Canucks as his test subject to try out revolutionary new drafting methods he's always wondered about.
I'm actually worried more about our scouts who scout the professionals rather than our amateur scouts....definately sometimes a mixed bag there (sometimes great like Ehrhoff, Lappy & Higgins; other times you have to wonder what they were thinking [eg., Sturm]).


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11-19-2012, 06:16 PM
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I'm actually worried more about our scouts who scout the professionals rather than our amateur scouts....definately sometimes a mixed bag there (sometimes great like Ehrhoff, Lappy & Higgins; other times you have to wonder what they were thinkging [eg., Sturm]).
The scouts didnt offer Sturm ridiculous money though, that was MG.

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11-19-2012, 07:29 PM
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Higgins wasn't even on the Canucks' radar though... Florida had to suggest him as an option. So yeah.

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Since 09 we have definitely had success in Ontario - Quebec has been a wasteland IMO - it has been a while since we drafted a lot out of Onatrio - def MG preference by the looks of things - Gaunce - Jensen - Corrado - Friesen - Hutton - Price - Archibald - Tanev. Much more chance of succees from this group than any other group in my opinion.

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Based on what I've been reading on Wisconsin boards, that program is such a clusterfudge right now, maybe we'll see him leave early. Could actually be good for his development.
Wow, I checked, and yes indeed they are pretty worked up about coach Eaves and the way that the team just hasn't come together. I read elsewhere last year that Eaves is so tightly-strung and intense that he takes up all the oxygen and wears hard on his players' nerves. Also on his assistant coaches: one of them quit the team recently.

With star centre Zengerle injured, Labate should be seeing lots of ice time, at least.

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11-19-2012, 11:04 PM
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Not totally sure here but I believe that one of the drafts - Charles Antoine Messier - actually ended up getting cut from his Junior team.
IIRC he got injured for a spell and when he came back,his replacement was doing better than he was so he had no spot on the team and ended up in a lower tier Jr league.

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11-20-2012, 12:22 AM
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Not totally sure here but I believe that one of the drafts - Charles Antoine Messier - actually ended up getting cut from his Junior team.
Funny story I was at a CIS game a few years back - McGill vs Concordia - and noticed a guy named Messier playing on the other team. He coughed the puck up on two huge McGill goals in the 1st and then was benched. Later on I looked at the game sheet and it was Charles Antoine! Even in CIS, he was rubbish.

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It's actually funny that our 6th round pick from that draft has turned out to be the best player we drafted. Well, maybe not funny, but extremely depressing.

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Nonis....


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11-20-2012, 02:51 PM
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Jensen just put in the deciding penalty shot for AIK.

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Jensen just put in the deciding penalty shot for AIK.
Thats what i like to hear

and just to be sure , you mean penalty shot and not shootout goal?

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Jensen just put in the deciding penalty shot for AIK.
sweet, now he'll get a 4th line minute in the next game as a reward..

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Thats what i like to hear

and just to be sure , you mean penalty shot and not shootout goal?
Sorry, shootout goal. Penalty shot goal and shootout goal is the same word in Danish, and I'm pretty tired :-)

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Sorry, shootout goal. Penalty shot goal and shootout goal is the same word in Danish, and I'm pretty tired :-)
Ah okay

Was hoping it was a penalty shot so that it would count on his stats.

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Ah okay

Was hoping it was a penalty shot so that it would count on his stats.
Shootout winning goals do count as goals in the SEL, so technically Jensen is at 9 goals now:

http://www.hockeyligan.se/index.php/trupp/AIK/4937

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Ah okay

Was hoping it was a penalty shot so that it would count on his stats.
The deciding one does count in Sweden.





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The deciding one does count in Sweden.





I know...
Oh. Very strange. Well then

9 goals now for Jensen

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Despite his little scoring drought he's still 5th in the league in goals.

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I noticed that too, came in to post this.

I know it's just a goal given by shoot out but I hope it takes some pressure off of him seeing his stats being padded a bit. Hope he gets back on track now!

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A goal is a goal, I guess.

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