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Best coach since 04-05 lock-out?

View Poll Results: Best Coaches?
Barry Trotz 30 26.32%
Darryl Sutter 5 4.39%
Mike Babcock 49 42.98%
Dave Tippett 23 20.18%
Ken Hitchcock 7 6.14%
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11-19-2012, 06:34 PM
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Do you think that has anything to do with the topic?
I think what he was implying is that sutter was not the coach of the flames when they won their division. jim playfair was. sutter was gm. so yes. since the quoted post credited sutter wih nw division championship he didnt win as a coach.

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I felt it could be either Tippett, Trotz or Babcock. Eventually went with Babcock.

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Went with Mike Babcock. He's had the honour of coaching some world-class players, but he's one of the reasons those teams were so good:

- His philosophy that everyone on a team, including the top offensive forwards, must be competent defensive players. When Datsyuk first joined the Wings he wasn't a particularly good defensive forward, but under Babcock's tenure he has won multiple Selkes (Yzerman and Fedorov also deserve a lot of credit for setting a good example for them). Zetterberg's defensive game has also improved immensely. This strategy makes teams more resistant to injuries since players are more adaptable and well-rounded.
- Development of home-grown talent. Even though the Red Wings' success has made it very hard for them to get good draft picks, players like Hudler, Franzen and Helm (none of whom were drafted top 50) have developed very well under Babcock.
- Not giving up on players other teams have given up on. Cleary was a 4th liner who had been bought out by the Oilers. He comes to the Wings and scores career highs while also being a good defensive forward. Samuelsson had bounced around the league, playing parts of four seasons for four different teams, and at the age of 29, finally found a permanent spot in Detroit and blossomed. Andreas Lilja was dumped by the Panthers, and Brett Lebda wasn't drafted. Both were known for bone-headed defensive mistakes. But Lilja found a role as a penalty killer, and Lilja/Lebda improved enough to become a defensive pairing on a Stanley Cup winning team.
- Great at getting players to work as a team. At their peak in 2007-2009, the Red Wings just ran like a machine - controlled the puck, and just wouldn't let the opponents get many scoring chances. Detroit had been playing puck possession before Babcock but under his tenure, they played a puck possession system with an effectiveness that few other teams could match.
- Great at encouraging work ethic. No one takes a day off under Babcock without hearing about it. Tied in with this is a determination to never quit when facing adversity. They were down 3-0 to the Ducks entering the third in an elimination game in 2007, and fought back to make it 4-3, and nearly tied in the last minute. Down 3-0 in the series to the Sharks in the 2011 WCSF, and came back to force a Game 7 (including making third-period comebacks in Games 5 and 6). Incredibly, despite playing more playoff games than any other team since the lockout, they have only lost 6 playoff games by more than 1 goal, and only 1 game by more than 2 goals (Game 6 vs Phoenix in 2010), and they sure made up for it with a 6-1 thrashing on the road in Game 7.
- Finding ways to win in the playoffs with a team without much physicality. Although conventional wisdom often says that teams need to have lots of grit to succeed in the playoffs, Detroit managed to win the Cup in 2008 defeating a tough Dallas team along the way.
- Not afraid to make drastic moves when players underperform, such as benching six-time Vezina winner Hasek in 2008, or similarly benching Brodeur at the Olympics.

As a Canucks fan, I know from experience that avoiding blowout losses, even with a good team, is a difficult thing to do.

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Can we stop overrating coaches that turn mediocre teams into playoff teams?

Besides, Trotz has also had some rather talented teams to coach in the last seven years and the Preds have never looked like cup contenders.

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11-20-2012, 12:55 PM
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Darryl Sutter.

1.5 seasons as an NHL Head Coach, 2005-2006 w/ Calgary Flames, 2011 (Dec.) - 2012 w/ LA Kings

1 NW Division Championship
1 Stanley Cup Championship
Didn't coach enough years so no.


And @ poll, I say Barry Trotz, easily.

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11-20-2012, 12:57 PM
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Can we stop overrating coaches that turn mediocre teams into playoff teams?

Besides, Trotz has also had some rather talented teams to coach in the last seven years and the Preds have never looked like cup contenders.

Shouldn't this be the benchmark of a good coach? That or their ability to turn a good team into a great team or a bad team into a competitive one?


I agree with you on Trotz though. He's had some damn good teams on paper over the years and has yet to achieve any playoff success.

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I voted Trotz. Babcock is not a bad choice either.

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My first thought was Barry Trotz based on how he can get the most out of his players. But if I am thinking of results I have to go with Babcock, 2 SCF appearances, 1 cup, 1 WCF Appearance.

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