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Which trade was worse, Kessel to TOR or Carter to CLB?

View Poll Results: Which trade was worse?
Phil Kessel to Toronto 182 57.05%
Jeff Carter to Columbus 125 39.18%
Both are equally bad and I can't choose just one 12 3.76%
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11-20-2012, 06:31 PM
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No problem.

What you may be thinking about IIRC is just prior to the move Burke made a seperate trade reclaiming the picks necessary to do an offer sheet. Burke would rather do a trade then an offer sheet, but he wanted that card to play if a trade could not be worked out.

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11-20-2012, 06:35 PM
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No problem.

What you may be thinking about IIRC is just prior to the move Burke made a seperate trade reclaiming the picks necessary to do an offer sheet. Burke would rather do a trade then an offer sheet, but he wanted that card to play if a trade could not be worked out.
I remember Peter Chiarelli has said if Kessel was given an offer sheet they were going to match. Do you think he was serious about that and thought if a trade is worked out it's better if they get two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick, instead of 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks in the same draft from not matching an offer sheet.

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No Seguin, Hamilton, or Knight for Toronto. Horrible patience shown by a joke franchise that doesn't know if it's rebuilding or attempting to make the playoffs. Of course that's the worse of the two trades.

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11-20-2012, 07:02 PM
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No Seguin, Hamilton, or Knight for Toronto. Horrible patience shown by a joke franchise that doesn't know if it's rebuilding or attempting to make the playoffs. Of course that's the worse of the two trades.
How is it worse then giving up Couturier and and Voracek for Johnson and a very late 1st?

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No Seguin, Hamilton, or Knight for Toronto. Horrible patience shown by a joke franchise that doesn't know if it's rebuilding or attempting to make the playoffs. Of course that's the worse of the two trades.
Leaf hater bias. Just ignore.

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11-20-2012, 07:36 PM
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Kessel because it just wasn't what Toronto needed at the time of the trade. Kessel and Seguin are about equal right now and Hamilton would be huge. Imagine if Toronto had Hamilton and Rielly as Juniors both right now.. Wow, scary future top pairing.

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Kessel because it just wasn't what Toronto needed at the time of the trade. Kessel and Seguin are about equal right now and Hamilton would be huge. Imagine if Toronto had Hamilton and Rielly as Juniors both right now.. Wow, scary future top pairing.
And how was a shoot first C what CBJ needed at the time? CBJ wasnt any closer to being a playoff team then the Leafs were at the time the deals were made.

Its arguable they traded away the pick (Couturier) which became EXACTLY what they needed most ~ a pass first C to play with Nash.

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11-20-2012, 07:43 PM
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And how was a shoot first C what CBJ needed at the time? CBJ wasnt any closer to being a playoff team then the Leafs were at the time the deals were made.

Its arguable they traded away the pick (Couturier) which became EXACTLY what they needed most ~ a pass first C to play with Nash.
Seguin > Couturier
Hamilton > Voracek

Fairly comfortably in both cases IMO.

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Courtier was not expected to be available when the jackets were picking remember that. And why is there no love for Jack Johnson? His numbers have done a complete 180 since arriving in columbus. Also we have no idea what LA's pick could be, and most likely wont for awhile. I personally wouldnt have made the first trade, but I have some faith in JJ and some of the other newly arrrived players to take the reigns.

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Kessel because it just wasn't what Toronto needed at the time of the trade. Kessel and Seguin are about equal right now and Hamilton would be huge. Imagine if Toronto had Hamilton and Rielly as Juniors both right now.. Wow, scary future top pairing.
The Maple Leafs still have Jake Gardiner for their Defense and he's just as good as Hamilton. Plus Gardiner already has NHL experience and could look really good playing with Morgan Rielly.

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Courtier was not expected to be available when the jackets were picking remember that.
So it's ok for Columbus fans to say they had no idea Courtier would be available when it was time for the 8th overall pick. However Toronto fans are still reminded how Dougie Hamilton was still available when Boston selected with the 9th overall pick.

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Seguin > Couturier
Hamilton > Voracek

Fairly comfortably in both cases IMO.
So?

The Leafs have an All Star winger to show for it. CBJ has a lot of question marks

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The Maple Leafs still have Jake Gardiner for their Defense and he's just as good as Hamilton. Plus Gardiner already has NHL experience and could look really good playing with Morgan Rielly.
The Leafs didn't trade away 2 firsts and 2nd for Phil Kessel and Jake Gardiner so that's irrelevant. They could have had Gardiner, Hamilton, and Rielly all. A very promising D-unit. Yeah they still have a good looking future D unit with Gardiner and Rielly and a few of the other guys with potential but with Hamilton it would have had the potential to be Rangers-good.

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Courtier was not expected to be available when the jackets were picking remember that. And why is there no love for Jack Johnson? His numbers have done a complete 180 since arriving in columbus. Also we have no idea what LA's pick could be, and most likely wont for awhile. I personally wouldnt have made the first trade, but I have some faith in JJ and some of the other newly arrrived players to take the reigns.
Yeah well that argument never can work for Leaf fans so it shouldn't for Blue Jackets fans.

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No Seguin, Hamilton, or Knight for Toronto. Horrible patience shown by a joke franchise that doesn't know if it's rebuilding or attempting to make the playoffs. Of course that's the worse of the two trades.
They should do what Columbus has been doing

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So?

The Leafs have an All Star winger to show for it. CBJ has a lot of question marks
And Columbus has Jack Johnson and a 2013 1st to show for it. Toronto has their own question marks. Who's their goalie and #1 Center again?

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They should do what Columbus has been doing
Right because people that voted for Toronto must automatically believe Columbus is the model franchise.

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So it's ok for Columbus fans to say they had no idea Courtier would be available when it was time for the 8th overall pick. However Toronto fans are still reminded how Dougie Hamilton was still available when Boston selected with the 9th overall pick.
Courtier was a shoe-in top 5. You have to make a move based on what you know on that time, and at that time courtier wasnt expected by anyone to be there.

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Seguin > Couturier
Hamilton > Voracek

Fairly comfortably in both cases IMO.
And how about comparing Kessel with Toronto and Carter with Columbus. It always amazes me how Phil Kessel doesn't exist in the "Kessel Trade".

Toronto acquired a 21 year-old future star for years to come who just finished 6th in league scoring. What did Carter do for the Jackets exactly?

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Courtier was a shoe-in top 5. You have to make a move based on what you know on that time, and at that time courtier wasnt expected by anyone to be there.
Yeah and Burke should have known his team would finish 29th overall and that Hamilton would be available 9th overall. Blah, blah, blah.

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And Columbus has Jack Johnson and a 2013 1st to show for it. Toronto has their own question marks. Who's their goalie and #1 Center again?
The same question can be asked about Columbus. Who is their #1 Centre and #1 Goalie?

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So?

The Leafs have an All Star winger to show for it. CBJ has a lot of question marks
I took kessel 3 years to get those kind of numbers, and Johnson has played a few months Columbus. This would better be examined a few years from now, when we know how well it turned out for Columbus.

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And how about comparing Kessel with Toronto and Carter with Columbus. It always amazes me how Phil Kessel doesn't exist in the "Kessel Trade".

Toronto acquired a 21 year-old future star for years to come who just finished 6th in league scoring. What did Carter do for the Jackets exactly?
Given neither team was ready to compete I place a lot less emphasis on how good the player they got back was, considering neither was enough to elevate the team out of the basement.

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Courtier was a shoe-in top 5. You have to make a move based on what you know on that time, and at that time courtier wasnt expected by anyone to be there.
Still the fact is Courtier feel to where Columbus was originally supposed to pick had they not made the trade for Jeff Carter. So because Toronto fans can't claim we had no idea Dougie Hamilton would fall to Boston and we don't use it as an excuse, Columbus fans can't complain about the same thing.

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Given neither team was ready to compete I place a lot less emphasis on how good the player they got back was, considering neither was enough to elevate the team out of the basement.
Of course you do because then you can ignore the huge win it is in that regard to Toronto. You're biased. Of course you have to compare Kessel finishing 6th in league scoring with Bozak as his centre and 3 straight 30+ goal seasons compared to the bust Carter was in Columbus.

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