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11-20-2012, 07:05 PM
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Coyle + Granlund +__________? for real? No, thanks. We suffered for our forward prospect depth, we're not going to gut it to get better on D. Crazy prediction here but Granlund will end up a more valuable player than McDonagh anyway.

Offering Heatley and/or Bouchard was just insulting, though. C'mon, man.

I know it depends on the CBA, but what do you all think McDonagh would be worth on the open market right now, considering he's really young, highly effective, and still getting better? I think he could see a pretty ridiculous long-term payday if there were no cap. That's just speculation fueled by the Suter comparison...A team is going to have to keep this in mind while acquiring/signing players with contracts that bump over his UFA year.
If Drew Doughty can get $7M, I see no reason that McD wouldn't get easily $5.5-6, with an offer of $6.5 from a desperate team

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Beyond laughable that Heatley and Bouchard are "on your block". I wouldn't trade McDonagh for Granlund AND your 1st. Value there? Sure. Still wouldn't do it. I wouldn't trade Stepan for Heatley straight up.

You're talking about a 23 year old who finished top ~10 in Norris voting and plays 30 minutes a night in a shutdown role, while still managing 30+ points (not to mention the offensive game is only just starting to show up) and a 22 year old center who had a 45 point rookie season and 51 point sophomore season, whose combined cap hit is 2.175M right now.

There is nothing you could possibly offer NYR that would make them give them up. Seriously. Why would we want Granlund and a 1st? We were in game 6 of the ECF last season and our team is in it's prime. Granlund and the 1st might both become excellent players, but it sets us back a few years while our Girardis, Gaboriks, Nashs, Lundqvists are prime. Why would we want Heatley? He has a large cap hit and is clearly on the decline. Bouchard? Not an upgrade over Stepan (age considered, probably even without age considered) and never healthy. The only two assets that would make the Rangers better are ones you just signed this summer.

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If Drew Doughty can get $7M, I see no reason that McD wouldn't get easily $5.5-6, with an offer of $6.5 from a desperate team
Unless McDonagh gets significant PP time and/or a huge boost in his numbers this year (if there is a year), the kind of contract he gets will likely be similar to Staal's. ~4 mil/year with one year of UFA bought out at something like 5.5-6.

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Unless McDonagh gets significant PP time and/or a huge boost in his numbers this year (if there is a year), the kind of contract he gets will likely be similar to Staal's. ~4 mil/year with one year of UFA bought out at something like 5.5-6.
Even if McDonagh continues to hit 30 points with absolutely no PP time he'll still get a significantly higher offer than Staal.

I see what you're getting at, but you can't really compare McDonagh to Staal who has yet to hit 30 points with PP time. McDonagh is far, far better offensively. Every GM knows it.

I hope Sather and CO. are ready for a huge offer because McDonagh is gonna break the bank.

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11-20-2012, 08:52 PM
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No?



It's totally fine if you wouldn't. I'm just curious.
Without seeing how Suter has played without Weber yet, I'd say he and McDonagh aren't that distant talent-wise. Even if Suter is considerably better, not nearly enough to make NYR ignore the fact that McDonagh is younger and doesn't have an awful contract.

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11-20-2012, 09:10 PM
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The upside to McDonagh means no, unless it is a package and an uber elite talent is returning, preferably a super sniper.

Stepan is another story, but we're not just giving him away. I would entertain offers besides Koivu. But it has to make sense in, if not immediate profit, some potential upside for big return on investment later.

For example, one possibility could be
Stepan + Del Zotto + x to Bruins
for
Dougie Hamilton + y to Rangers

Can Min offer anything like that?

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11-20-2012, 09:42 PM
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Parise bitterness aside, and from a non Rangers fan perspective no way would I take Suter over Mcdonagh. Yes Suter is better now, but not 10 times better(Woah is Suter really 10 x the cap hit of Mcdonagh right now?) Plus if you get a player like Mcdonagh for a heap of trash like Gomez, then you really gotta keep him!


While I hate the way Lou does business concerning UFA's, can't really blame Parise on him. Nashville tried to lock up Suter, and he wouldn't take an extension.
5.7x by my count, a number that figures to way go way down shortly.

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McDonagh doesn't seem like a big need for Minnesota as they just signed Suter, and have Brodin coming soon, they should be looking at a right handed to pairing defenseman with a big shot who plays physical, maybe someone like Bogosian

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McDonagh doesn't seem like a big need for Minnesota as they just signed Suter, and have Brodin coming soon, they should be looking at a right handed to pairing defenseman with a big shot who plays physical, maybe someone like Bogosian
Interesting, but he's not from Minnesota. EJ?

That's the point of this thread, right?

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Unless McDonagh gets significant PP time and/or a huge boost in his numbers this year (if there is a year), the kind of contract he gets will likely be similar to Staal's. ~4 mil/year with one year of UFA bought out at something like 5.5-6.
I'd probably rank the Ranger Untouchables as follows:

1. Hank
2. McD

As far as that contract offer, IMO that is just wishful thinking. He's going to get somewhere near the $6M neighborhood each year, if I had to guess. Stepan should get a decent raise as well, maybe $3M. Maybe more.

What's interesting is that the following year the Rangers have a ton of contracts expiring. Most notably: Lundqvist, Gaborik, Callahan, Boyle, Girardi and Stralman. This will probably be Hank's last big payday, so I'm assuming he will want at least what he's making now, if not slightly more in the Rinne range. Callahan is a lock to be re-signed, although I don't know if he'll get a raise from his $4.875M in 13/14. I could see Girardi asking for a solid $1.5M raise, considering I think he'd be able to get it in a heartbeat on the open market.

The main thing I'm curious about is, do they plan on letting Gaborik walk? Especially now that they have Nash in the fold as well as a developing Kreider? Or will they try to trim fat elsewhere to keep him around? Because I just don't see any way they can give these guys the raises that they deserve while keeping them all together.

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McDonagh doesn't seem like a big need for Minnesota as they just signed Suter, and have Brodin coming soon, they should be looking at a right handed to pairing defenseman with a big shot who plays physical, maybe someone like Bogosian
I agree. As you said we have Brodin coming very soon and many Wild fans seem to think that Scandella can be a top 4 d-man as well (he's also left-handed). Gilbert is a legitimate top 4 d-man while Spurgeon is in the Wild top 4 due to a lack of depth. The only other notable right-handed d-man we have is Dumba and he's at least 2 years away at a minimum.

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Even if McDonagh continues to hit 30 points with absolutely no PP time he'll still get a significantly higher offer than Staal.

I see what you're getting at, but you can't really compare McDonagh to Staal who has yet to hit 30 points with PP time. McDonagh is far, far better offensively. Every GM knows it.

I hope Sather and CO. are ready for a huge offer because McDonagh is gonna break the bank.
I've thought for a while we don't play McDonagh on the PP for a reason, but that's besides the point.

I don't think McDonagh's RFA years are going to come at more than 4 mil. Sather just isn't any GM. He underpays players as RFAs if anything.

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I'd probably rank the Ranger Untouchables as follows:

1. Hank
2. McD

As far as that contract offer, IMO that is just wishful thinking. He's going to get somewhere near the $6M neighborhood each year, if I had to guess. Stepan should get a decent raise as well, maybe $3M. Maybe more.

What's interesting is that the following year the Rangers have a ton of contracts expiring. Most notably: Lundqvist, Gaborik, Callahan, Boyle, Girardi and Stralman. This will probably be Hank's last big payday, so I'm assuming he will want at least what he's making now, if not slightly more in the Rinne range. Callahan is a lock to be re-signed, although I don't know if he'll get a raise from his $4.875M in 13/14. I could see Girardi asking for a solid $1.5M raise, considering I think he'd be able to get it in a heartbeat on the open market.

The main thing I'm curious about is, do they plan on letting Gaborik walk? Especially now that they have Nash in the fold as well as a developing Kreider? Or will they try to trim fat elsewhere to keep him around? Because I just don't see any way they can give these guys the raises that they deserve while keeping them all together.
I don't know about Gaborik walking. It certainly depends on how the cap is going to look, but I'm of the opinion this is our last year with Gaborik.

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I've thought for a while we don't play McDonagh on the PP for a reason, but that's besides the point.

I don't think McDonagh's RFA years are going to come at more than 4 mil. Sather just isn't any GM. He underpays players as RFAs if anything.
I think we can swing 4 at RFA, yes, but unless his progression is completely derailed McDonagh will be getting a Suter contract when he hits UFA.

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I don't know about Gaborik walking. It certainly depends on how the cap is going to look, but I'm of the opinion this is our last year with Gaborik.
If that's the case, you could probably get solid value from a team like Phoenix or San Jose. Both competitive teams in need of a speedy, scoring winger. Out of conference trade so not much concern for having the trade come back to bite them/you.

If you do expect him to be gone, I think the Rangers would be better served getting some sort of return for him, rather then letting him walk as a UFA. Even if that means sacrificing a little bit of scoring for the 2013/14 season.

Now trade us(the Islanders) McDonagh for Marty Reasoner please.

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I don't know about Gaborik walking.
Had that problem on the Wild as well, unfortunately. Always hurt.

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Rangers would be stupid to trade McD for anything other then an overpayment, and this is an area where Minnesota can't help them.

McDonagh and Stepan are two reason among many why MN needs to draft more home grown players, there are a number of gems in this state in each draft time to start getting them.

Also the best part of McDonagh is that he was traded for Gomez, how bad does that sting, to see a poised youngster with so much upside and you actually improved your team and financial standing to get him.

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5.7x by my count, a number that figures to way go way down shortly.
But even if so, without the significant risk of becoming a toxic asset in the future if the league's proposed cap-circumvention contract "penalty" goes through in the finalized CBA.

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I'd probably rank the Ranger Untouchables as follows:

1. Hank
2. McD

As far as that contract offer, IMO that is just wishful thinking. He's going to get somewhere near the $6M neighborhood each year, if I had to guess. Stepan should get a decent raise as well, maybe $3M. Maybe more.

What's interesting is that the following year the Rangers have a ton of contracts expiring. Most notably: Lundqvist, Gaborik, Callahan, Boyle, Girardi and Stralman. This will probably be Hank's last big payday, so I'm assuming he will want at least what he's making now, if not slightly more in the Rinne range. Callahan is a lock to be re-signed, although I don't know if he'll get a raise from his $4.875M in 13/14. I could see Girardi asking for a solid $1.5M raise, considering I think he'd be able to get it in a heartbeat on the open market.

The main thing I'm curious about is, do they plan on letting Gaborik walk? Especially now that they have Nash in the fold as well as a developing Kreider? Or will they try to trim fat elsewhere to keep him around? Because I just don't see any way they can give these guys the raises that they deserve while keeping them all together.
My guess? Gaborik is traded at the 2013 draft to replenish the 1st they move to get Nash.

That 7.5 or whatever it is going to end up being will be needed to resign the RFA's coming up.

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with the Wild signing Suter and Parise, now would be the time to make moves for other good players if they can and become a cup contender.

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Only way one of these guys is traded to Minn is in a deadline deal. I could see something like Stepan for Koivu at the deadline. But, in the long-run, that ends up being essentially Gaborik + Stepan for Koivu (after the summer), which does not have the Rangers coming out on top.

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with the Wild signing Suter and Parise, now would be the time to make moves for other good players if they can and become a cup contender.
... Or we could wait for our prospects to develop and not hand out any more ridiculous contracts.

What's the rush? We have Parise & Suter until they essentially can't play hockey anymore.

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Had that problem on the Wild as well, unfortunately. Always hurt.
He's been pretty healthy in new york. His groin problems are gone due to surgery, which is why he was always hurt. Any time he got hurt while playing here was always some freak accident, like a teammate's skate cutting his leg or whatever.

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I think we can swing 4 at RFA, yes, but unless his progression is completely derailed McDonagh will be getting a Suter contract when he hits UFA.
There won't be any more suter contracts. Cap hits will stay the same for players, but there won't be any more 12 mil years.

And I still expect the same thing with McDonagh as with Staal. Sure, each RFA year might be ~4 mil (was about 3.5 with Staal) and the 1 usual UFA year we get might be ~6 mil instead of 5.5ish, but his cap hit won't go above 4.5 in my opinion.

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... Or we could wait for our prospects to develop and not hand out any more ridiculous contracts.

What's the rush? We have Parise & Suter until they essentially can't play hockey anymore.
oh, no rush per se, and i for sure would not be trading Granlund or Dumba or Brodin for anyone, and Coyle and Bulmer should give you some sandpaper in the future too....wouldn't trade them either...unless Shea Weber or Dustin Brown were offered.

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