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11-20-2012, 08:12 AM
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Yashin was more legit than Spezza.
He was so good the ilses were paying him not to play

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11-20-2012, 08:21 AM
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He was so good the ilses were paying him not to play
And suddenly the Islanders are the model franchise for asset management?

Yashin was an elite power center for most of his career in the NHL, certainly encompassing his time in Ottawa.

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11-20-2012, 08:33 AM
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And suddenly the Islanders are the model franchise for asset management?

Yashin was an elite power center for most of his career in the NHL, certainly encompassing his time in Ottawa.
Iam glad you think so ,he was a powerful man on skates yes but he was slow and lacked creativity . He wasnt and never will be the playmaker or creative offensive wizard Jason Spezza is .

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11-20-2012, 08:43 AM
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Iam glad you think so ,he was a powerful man on skates yes but he was slow and lacked creativity . He wasnt and never will be the playmaker or creative offensive wizard Jason Spezza is .
But he was still more effective offensively, as an individual.

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11-20-2012, 08:55 AM
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But he was still more effective offensively, as an individual.
He was what he was i guess ,but spezza brings more to the table in the team game .Yashin while tallented didnt have the heart or the physicality to be an actual power forward when the chips were down

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11-20-2012, 09:29 AM
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Hmm. So what you're saying is... Alexei Yashin is a HHOFer?
yashin won the hart?

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11-20-2012, 12:43 PM
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What if he wins the Vezina next time the NHL plays a season? Will you still say this?
What if there's invisible pink polkadot elephants that play golf on the moon?

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11-20-2012, 03:52 PM
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yashin won the hart?
I was responding to a post which said that if you're considered elite or a superstar for 5+ years, you should be in the HHOF.

That's Yashin.

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11-20-2012, 08:47 PM
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I was responding to a post which said that if you're considered elite or a superstar for 5+ years, you should be in the HHOF.

That's Yashin.
And he was responding to a post that said every eligible player to win the hart is in the hall of fame (minus lindros), and theodore most likely will never get in.

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I was responding to a post which said that if you're considered elite or a superstar for 5+ years, you should be in the HHOF.

That's Yashin.
Yashin had no career longetivity in terms of good production nor did he have 5 elite seasons. He was never considered one of the world's 5 or 6 players fore more than a season or two. He missed a season during his peak because of a contract dispute.

My point still stands, if you have around 3-5 seasons that are elite and are also fairly good for the rest of your career then you're probably a HOFer. Lindros and Fleury come fairly close to this criteria. They were especially Fleury great players from the beginning to 2nd last year of their careers and they were also elite players for a decent period of time though injuries broke that up a bit more than it does with others.

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11-20-2012, 09:22 PM
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iggy,selanne,broduer,datsyuk,alfy all make it. another one could be kiprsoff. hes a pretty underrated goalie. used to be a beast.

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11-20-2012, 10:20 PM
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Yashin had no career longetivity in terms of good production nor did he have 5 elite seasons. He was never considered one of the world's 5 or 6 players fore more than a season or two. He missed a season during his peak because of a contract dispute.

My point still stands, if you have around 3-5 seasons that are elite and are also fairly good for the rest of your career then you're probably a HOFer. Lindros and Fleury come fairly close to this criteria. They were especially Fleury great players from the beginning to 2nd last year of their careers and they were also elite players for a decent period of time though injuries broke that up a bit more than it does with others.
Lindros and Fleury legitimately belong. Yashin had a few high-end years and was a difficult center to play against.

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11-20-2012, 10:52 PM
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Brodeur, Jagr, Selanne, and Alfredsson are the only locks on the OP's list I'd say. Iginla too maybe. Maybe a guy like Patrik Elias, but maybe not. Any of the others are quite possible. Many of them are too young. If Ovechkin, Crosby, Giroux, or Malkin retired today I don't think any of them would go in.

Crosby, and Malkin are a possibility. Ovechkin no way, and Giroux's way too early in his career.

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iggy,selanne,broduer,datsyuk,alfy all make it. another one could be kiprsoff. hes a pretty underrated goalie. used to be a beast.
Kipper still is a beast. Not sure he makes it though.

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11-20-2012, 10:59 PM
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Crosby, and Malkin are a possibility. Ovechkin no way
Ovechkin is the most decorated of the three. If any of them were to not go in, it would be Crosby. Ovechkin and Malkin both have one or more Ross, Hart, Pearson/Lindsay, multiple first team selections. Crosby is a step behind, possibly because of his injuries.

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11-20-2012, 11:06 PM
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Yashin was more legit than Spezza.
Top-10 Points
Spezza = 4th, 6th
Yashin = 6th

Top-10 PPG
Spezza = 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th
Yashin = 9th

And Yashin was drafted almost a decade before Spezza.

Do you think that finishing 6th is scoring with Maceachern and Dackell was more impressive than finishing 4th in scoring with Michalek and Greening?

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11-20-2012, 11:15 PM
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Only looking at active NHL players.

Tier 1: 100% Locks, no questions asked

Brodeur
Jagr
Selanne
Pronger


Tier 2: As close as you can get to a lock with such few games played

Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin


Tier 3: Not locks, but very favorable chance of getting in

Iginla
St. Louis
Thornton
Chara


Tier 4: Well on their way, if their career keeps going in the same direction

Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Kovalchuk
Lundqvist


Tier 5: Limbo // You can make a legitimate case, but they could still be snubbed // Could go either way

Alfredsson
Elias
Thomas
Hossa


Tier 6: Guys with hardware, but nothing else // Need more before serious consideration

Lecavalier
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
B. Richards
Miller
Perry
Keith
Ward


Tier 7: Notable players with lack of individual hardware // Career underachievers // Hall of Very Good

Luongo
Heatley
Getzlaf
Weber
E. Staal
Nash
Spezza
Parise
Marleau
Hejduk
Whitney
Gonchar
Kiprusoff
Giguere


Tier 8: Too young, but off to a promising start

Toews
Stamkos
Tavares
Doughty
Giroux
P. Kane
E. Karlsson

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11-20-2012, 11:17 PM
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Ovechkin is the most decorated of the three. If any of them were to not go in, it would be Crosby. Ovechkin and Malkin both have one or more Ross, Hart, Pearson/Lindsay, multiple first team selections. Crosby is a step behind, possibly because of his injuries.
I did forget about his his Hart's. Crosby does have a Cup though over Ovechkin, and just one Hart I think?

I'm still not sure any of them would be a lock. It doesn't matter though cause I expect all of them to play for years to come. Crosby I'm a little iffy because of the injuries, but I think he has at least 10 years left if he can stay healthy.

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11-20-2012, 11:42 PM
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Only looking at active NHL players.

Tier 3: Not locks, but very favorable chance of getting in

Iginla
St. Louis
Thornton
Chara
Those 4 are all locks.

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11-21-2012, 12:50 AM
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Only looking at active NHL players.

Tier 1: 100% Locks, no questions asked

Brodeur
Jagr
Selanne
Pronger


Tier 2: As close as you can get to a lock with such few games played

Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin


Tier 3: Not locks, but very favorable chance of getting in

Iginla
St. Louis
Thornton
Chara


Tier 4: Well on their way, if their career keeps going in the same direction

Datsyuk
Zetterberg

Kovalchuk
Lundqvist


Tier 5: Limbo // You can make a legitimate case, but they could still be snubbed // Could go either way

Alfredsson
Elias
Thomas
Hossa


Tier 6: Guys with hardware, but nothing else // Need more before serious consideration

Lecavalier
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
B. Richards
Miller
Perry
Keith
Ward


Tier 7: Notable players with lack of individual hardware // Career underachievers // Hall of Very Good

Luongo
Heatley
Getzlaf
Weber
E. Staal
Nash
Spezza
Parise
Marleau
Hejduk
Whitney
Gonchar
Kiprusoff
Giguere


Tier 8: Too young, but off to a promising start

Toews
Stamkos
Tavares
Doughty
Giroux
P. Kane
E. Karlsson
2 bolded, i'm starting to think people just don't realize how old these 2 really are. they are both pushing there last few years in the league. zetterberg 32 years old, datsyuk 34 years old. and with the injuries these 2 have started to pile up over the past few seasons, those ages will start to hit home a lot quicker then some.

zetterberg 624 points in 668 games
datsyuk 718 points in 732 games.

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Those 4 are all locks.
3 of them are locks, st louis i still can't see him getting in. to old, and his point totals just don't stand out at all.

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2 bolded, i'm starting to think people just don't realize how old these 2 really are. they are both pushing there last few years in the league. zetterberg 32 years old, datsyuk 34 years old. and with the injuries these 2 have started to pile up over the past few seasons, those ages will start to hit home a lot quicker then some.

zetterberg 624 points in 668 games
datsyuk 718 points in 732 games.
What is your point ? Datsyuk plays a very effective non physical game, he could probably play until he's 40 if he wanted to and still dominate players the way he does today. Datsyuk's vision, dangling and how he slows the game down will allow him to play longer in his career than most players, he doesn't need to skate fast and physical to be effective.

Zetterberg if he could return to form (which I don't think he will because of his back issues) would definitely improve his chances, but I still think he gets in when his career is finished. He still plays a great two way game, his defense is amazing as is his offensive ability. That and he has a Conn Smythe and is a beast in the playoffs.

Age really doesn't affect either of these two players, i'm positive Datsyuk will be in, but Zetterberg might take abit longer.

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3 of them are locks, st louis i still can't see him getting in. to old, and his point totals just don't stand out at all.
What do point totals have to do with anything?

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I would want to see st louis over zetterberg or datsyuk to be honest. Those two are gret hall of very good material

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Tier 6: Guys with hardware, but nothing else // Need more before serious consideration

Lecavalier
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
B. Richards
Miller
Perry
Keith
Ward
This group should also include:

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Top-10 Points
Spezza = 4th, 6th
Yashin = 6th

Top-10 PPG
Spezza = 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th
Yashin = 9th

And Yashin was drafted almost a decade before Spezza.

Do you think that finishing 6th is scoring with Maceachern and Dackell was more impressive than finishing 4th in scoring with Michalek and Greening?
Michalek is at least a legit top-six forward. McEachern and Dackell were leeches. Yashin completely carried that team. Spezza has also had Alfredsson after he bloomed, plus a developed Hossa (and later Heatley). Yashin had himself.

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Top-10 Points
Spezza = 4th, 6th
Yashin = 6th

Top-10 PPG
Spezza = 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th
Yashin = 9th

And Yashin was drafted almost a decade before Spezza.

Do you think that finishing 6th is scoring with Maceachern and Dackell was more impressive than finishing 4th in scoring with Michalek and Greening?
Getting 90+ points with a decent two-way player and a fading winger in an era with a center red line for two-line passes and having a thirty-eight point lead on the second-place scorer on the team, as opposed to Spezza who was six points ahead of Karlsson (a Norris winner!) is quite a bit more impressive.

Yashin had 19 PPG and McEachern, Dackell and Johansson had 20 (!) combined.
He had fifty-nine more points than the team's top-scoring "D", noted right-hand shot and radio personality Jason York. who had 35 points.

Yash isn't making the HHOF though so it's a non-issue. I'd be shocked if Spezza made it as well, he's compiled well but hasn't yet lifted the Senators on his shoulders to a Cup win.

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