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View Poll Results: Are you a business owner or employee, and do you support the owners or players?
I'm a business owner, and I support the owners. 6 6.74%
I'm a business owner, and I support the players. 5 5.62%
I'm an employee, and I support the owners. 50 56.18%
I'm an employee, and I support the players. 28 31.46%
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11-21-2012, 07:28 AM
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I'm for Shawn Thornton.

I look forward to all those who are pro-owner giving Bettman a standing ovation the next time he shows up at TD Garden. "Thanks for the lockout, Gary! Great job!"
They're sending him candy grams as we speak.

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11-21-2012, 07:54 AM
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I'm for Shawn Thornton.

I look forward to all those who are pro-owner giving Bettman a standing ovation the next time he shows up at TD Garden. "Thanks for the lockout, Gary! Great job!"
I will be thankful when we have a sustainable league long term that when it grows at fast rates, over half the teams still aren't in the red.

Rah rah go team

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11-21-2012, 08:01 AM
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Also artemis...can we count on you giving handshakes to all the players personally thanking them for giving 2 months to construct a brand new CBA?

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11-21-2012, 08:03 AM
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I'm for Shawn Thornton.

I look forward to all those who are pro-owner giving Bettman a standing ovation the next time he shows up at TD Garden. "Thanks for the lockout, Gary! Great job!"
What was your opinion last lockout?

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11-21-2012, 08:22 AM
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Any industry that provides a marginal talent like Derek Roy this kind of lifestyle is one I would dream of being a part of..

http://mcxwc.tumblr.com/post/2707199...ys-summer-home

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11-21-2012, 08:50 AM
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I'm for Shawn Thornton.

I look forward to all those who are pro-owner giving Bettman a standing ovation the next time he shows up at TD Garden. "Thanks for the lockout, Gary! Great job!"
The problem is his union couldn't give a flying **** about him...They don't care he will never recoup his losses... The NHLPA is just like real life... The richest people looking out for the richest people...the rest can fight for the scraps..

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Employee becoming owner. And the more responsibilities I take on as owner the more understanding I have for the NHL owners.

In no other business besides pro sports do the employees get half or more of the revenues generated by the business in addition to their salaries & other benefits. Without a huge television contract this business model would not be sustainable for the NBA or the NFL. For the NHL to attempt to operate the same way is sheer idiocy-it doesn't have a big tv deal nor the other huge revenue sources the NBA & NFL have because it lacks the popularity of those 2 sports.

Grow the sport first and the money will eventually follow. And by growth I don't mean expansion either. Improve the financial conditions of the existing franchises first- that will enable them to put a better team on the ice. Better teams=better play=more public support=more $$$.

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11-21-2012, 08:52 AM
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Any industry that provides a marginal talent like Derek Roy this kind of lifestyle is one I would dream of being a part of..

http://mcxwc.tumblr.com/post/2707199...ys-summer-home
I understand what you're saying, but look at this cold-bloodedly. NHL players, even "marginal" ones, are better at playing hockey than 99.999% of the world's population. As such, their talents are in demand. Demand = compensation. Economics 101.

If owners of sports teams are going to rake in money because people desire the product, doesn't it make sense that the "product" share in that wealth? I wouldn't pay to see owners do their thing. That'd be pretty boring, to me anyway.

If you believe that pro athletes are horribly overpaid for what they do and that we should adopt a "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" economic system, I would only note that such a system has been tried, and hasn't worked out so well.

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11-21-2012, 08:54 AM
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What was your opinion last lockout?
I've never been pro-owner, but I didn't pay half as much attention during the last lockout, for personal reasons.

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11-21-2012, 08:56 AM
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Derek Roy needs to feed his dog, like Mike Modano had to, you know.

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11-21-2012, 09:13 AM
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If the owners aren't happy, there is no league. They hold the cards, and that's what it comes down to for me. It's a lot easier to find guys to play hockey than it is a billionaire who is willing to finance a team.

I want the owners to be happy, and for the league to flourish. In a perfect world, I'd want the owners not to be led by a weasel, and to want to treat the players well.

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11-21-2012, 09:15 AM
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I understand what you're saying, but look at this cold-bloodedly. NHL players, even "marginal" ones, are better at playing hockey than 99.999% of the world's population. As such, their talents are in demand. Demand = compensation. Economics 101.

If owners of sports teams are going to rake in money because people desire the product, doesn't it make sense that the "product" share in that wealth? I wouldn't pay to see owners do their thing. That'd be pretty boring, to me anyway.

If you believe that pro athletes are horribly overpaid for what they do and that we should adopt a "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" economic system, I would only note that such a system has been tried, and hasn't worked out so well.
I'm not saying they shouldn't get paid. They should. They should also be extremely grateful that they "rake in" this kind of money doing something not many people even care about.

I'm not a big fan of the product "sharing the wealth" however...You get a salary, benefits and a 401k contribution....The owner is taking all the risks financially and deserves the pay-off... Are players giving back money to the owners who have lost money? I think not.

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11-21-2012, 09:25 AM
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I'm not saying they shouldn't get paid. They should. They should also be extremely grateful that they "rake in" this kind of money doing something not many people even care about.

I'm not a big fan of the product "sharing the wealth" however...You get a salary, benefits and a 401k contribution....The owner is taking all the risks financially and deserves the pay-off... Are players giving back money to the owners who have lost money? I think not.
Or when they play like crap? No. PGA is the best example, you play poorly, you get paid poorly, you play well, you get paid well.

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11-21-2012, 09:40 AM
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Don't care for either side much but I side with the owners moreso.

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11-21-2012, 09:43 AM
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I'm with the owners side.

But, by the end of Nov if they still don't have a deal done, I personally know I'm not gonna bother to try and keep following this BS up anymore. If both sides don't care, why should we?

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I love that one of the most vocal players is Mathiue Darche..... like who the **** are you?
A guy who has a commerce degree in marketing and international business from McGill University. In other words, a much better representative than the high school dropouts the average fan would like to see on the commitee.

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There is no way in HELL I can support the owners , I hate Bettman

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I am an employee and support the owners.

Have trouble with players doing nothing or jetting over to Europe to play while this is happening and feeling sorry for them.
This bothers me more than anything else going on. The players go and play in Europe and take some poor guy's job without a blink of an eye. They get zero compassion from me because of this. It they could not do this, this lookout would of been over already because now they are getting zero money.

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11-21-2012, 10:21 AM
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This bothers me more than anything else going on. The players go and play in Europe and take some poor guy's job without a blink of an eye. They get zero compassion from me because of this. It they could not do this, this lookout would of been over already because now they are getting zero money.
Agreed.

Employee and firmly support the Owners.

As an employee who has been laid off (twice) in my career when previous employers made hard cuts, and I was forced to scramble to find a way to make ends meet for my family during that tough time, I find it virtually impossible to relate to millionaires playing hockey who are begging sympathy because they're 'out of work' or 'deserve what they deserve.'

Get a real job and get back to me.

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11-21-2012, 10:28 AM
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A guy who has a commerce degree in marketing and international business from McGill University. In other words, a much better representative than the high school dropouts the average fan would like to see on the commitee.
I would rather a representative that actually has a contract to play in the 12-13 season.

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11-21-2012, 10:37 AM
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I'm in favor of the owners because I hate the kind of power unions have gotten in modern society. Nothing personal with pro unionsts, I just hate extortion as a principle and would rather not have an economy built on it.

If any corporation tried to sell a product like the labor unions tried to "sell" their labor to corporations, they'd be sued to within an inch of their life.

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Here is the latest on the NEW proposal by the NHLPA.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=409972

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11-21-2012, 11:11 AM
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Employee/players. The owners have had enough bites at the apple to get what they want. Learn to control your GM's too, you dopes. But that's what you get when you have a commish who hates the sport.

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Its like

Choosing cancer or heart trouble... Both sides care less what fans care.. Will I go back ??? As soon as they sign the new agreement..

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I've been both. Even though I think that line of thinking is irrelevant unless you had "employees" that were the actual product and the absolute 750 best in the world at what they did.

I'm familiar with the labor situation of the NHL going back to at least the corrupt Wirtz/Eagleson years.

I'm behind the players union in this lockout.

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