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View Poll Results: When Will We See the NHL Again?
On or before Dec. 1. 1 2.56%
On or before Jan. 1. 8 20.51%
On or before Feb 1. 1 2.56%
No Hockey This Season - Deal by July 1 (in time for draft) 16 41.03%
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11-19-2012, 06:28 AM
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That's what I meant


guy is a cancer for this sport and only cares about himself

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That's what I meant


guy is a cancer for this sport and only cares about himself
How dare you talk about Gary that way.

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How dare you talk about Gary that way.
I don't know how many times it needs to be said but Bettman is only doing what the owners have instructed him to do... and that is why he has been in that position for this long. The Fehrer on the other hand is leading the players under his own agenda and it is costing them a small fortune this season. One can only hope that today's meeting is not more than another of his PR exercises. If it is, it won't last long.

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I don't know how many times it needs to be said but Bettman is only doing what the owners have instructed him to do... and that is why he has been in that position for this long. The Fehrer on the other hand is leading the players under his own agenda and it is costing them a small fortune this season. One can only hope that today's meeting is not more than another of his PR exercises. If it is, it won't last long.
The owners are the ones that put a team in Phoenix? They may have signed off on it, but they didn't come up with that brilliant idea.
Funny though, how its all on Fehr even though there is only 1 guy who has gone 3 for 3 in NHL lockouts.

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11-19-2012, 08:45 PM
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The owners are the ones that put a team in Phoenix? They may have signed off on it, but they didn't come up with that brilliant idea.
Funny though, how its all on Fehr even though there is only 1 guy who has gone 3 for 3 in NHL lockouts.
Yes the owners are the ones who did it because Bettman can do nothing without the owners not the other way around.

Plus everyone bashes a team in Phoenix, yes it hasn't worked out, but if I told you the stats on Phoenix is not the name you'd think it would work. 12th largest TV market, 6th largest city by population, large number of people moving from hockey central locations to the area. It did seem like an idea that could succeed and so far it hasn't.

Again however 2-3 teams losing money wouldn't result in a lockout so this isn't just because Phoenix, Miami and Columbus are losing money in non traditional hockey markets. The Islanders have won more Cups then all but 5 teams and are in the largest market in the world but are losing money. Other teams in large or hockey markets are losing money and it's more like 10+ and not 2-3 teams losing money which is why there is a lockout.

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I don't know how many times it needs to be said but Bettman is only doing what the owners have instructed him to do... and that is why he has been in that position for this long. The Fehrer on the other hand is leading the players under his own agenda and it is costing them a small fortune this season. One can only hope that today's meeting is not more than another of his PR exercises. If it is, it won't last long.
Bettman has secured a situation where it's very difficult for the NHL to do anything without his agreement. That's not to ignore the (oft ignored) fact that many owners are onside this...but Bettman is more than just a mouth piece.

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Bettman should be gone too when all is said and done. Fehr now, Bettman after the CBA was signed

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The owners are the ones that put a team in Phoenix? They may have signed off on it, but they didn't come up with that brilliant idea.
Funny though, how its all on Fehr even though there is only 1 guy who has gone 3 for 3 in NHL lockouts.
Putting a team in Phoenix isn't the issue...moving them to Glendale is where the trouble started.

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Also find it funny that people think the players are completely listening to Fehr and not giving any of their own input, but the owners make all the decisions and Bettman just relays the info.

Fehr gives the players advice on what to do, players decide how they want to deal with it.
Bettman gives the owners advice on what to do, owners decide how they want to deal with it.

They do the same thing. So if you blame Fehr, you also blame Bettman just as much.

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Also find it funny that people think the players are completely listening to Fehr and not giving any of their own input, but the owners make all the decisions and Bettman just relays the info.

Fehr gives the players advice on what to do, players decide how they want to deal with it.
Bettman gives the owners advice on what to do, owners decide how they want to deal with it.

They do the same thing. So if you blame Fehr, you also blame Bettman just as much.
Yes but Bettman is giving the owners what they want, not doing any blasphemy on his own. Meanwhile, Fehr is taking the reins and it looks like a huge bullfight right now.

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PHX was a mistake, Glendale a much bigger

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Yes but Bettman is giving the owners what they want, not doing any blasphemy on his own. Meanwhile, Fehr is taking the reins and it looks like a huge bullfight right now.
Bettman is using his typical lockout strategy, and the owners know they can get a better deal with it. You do know that Bettman is an owner too, right?

Fehr is using his typical straregy, which seemed to work very well for the MLBPA who hasn't been locked out since the last one. ?17years?

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Fehr is using his typical straregy, which seemed to work very well for the MLBPA who hasn't been locked out since the last one. ?17years?
Not even close to the same thing, seeing as baseball
1) makes more than double of the NHL's revenue
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2) has owners willing to share way more of their revenue than the NHL does

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Bettman is using his typical lockout strategy, and the owners know they can get a better deal with it. You do know that Bettman is an owner too, right?

Fehr is using his typical straregy, which seemed to work very well for the MLBPA who hasn't been locked out since the last one. ?17years?
Except why would the owners and Bettman want a lockout? Are the owners making money right now? NO. So they want this to end ASAP! However they want it to end in a fair deal. Players getting a guaranteed sum of money with a guaranteed increase no matter HRR isn't fair.

For Fehr, does he want the lockout over? No, he would be out of the media and his job would be back more to figure head then actual leader. His clients are getting paid. Do to the hockey escrow payments NHL players are making more money this year to not work then 92% of the people who live in this country. Seriously wrap your head around that. They are making 6 figures to not work and many of them are in Europe making millions more. So why are they in a rush to end this? They're on a paid vacation and are making more and Fehr is loving all this attention so why end it. Not until they aren't getting paid or the league completely collapses but till then, party down with $ your getting paid to do nothing.


Bettman is such a horrible commissioner that over his tenure in the NHL their league revenue has risen a higher % then any other sport in the same time which in turn has risen player salaries to the highest they have ever been. But he is an idiot and cancer? Has he done a perfect job? No he hasn't and he has made some bad moves. Is he the worst thing to happen the NHL? Quite the opposite, if people actually looked at the NHL today they would realize Bettman has actually done far more good for hockey then bad.


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Except why would the owners and Bettman want a lockout? Are the owners making money right now? NO. .
Wow, how the stories change.

Weren't you and others saying it's better for there to be a lockout because now they aren't losing money? So which is it?

Whether you agree or not, the owners locked the players out, the players were willing to play without a deal, the owners had zero interest.

You can say the NHL has gained x amount of revenue therefore Bettman is a genious, But there have been 3 lockouts in his tenure, more than any of the 4 sports combined. It is also last in revenue compared to the other major sports.

He has done some good, but the bad out weighs the good, and he should be gone.

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Not even close to the same thing, seeing as baseball
1) makes more than double of the NHL's revenue
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2) has owners willing to share way more of their revenue than the NHL does
The amount they make has nothing to do with it, there is labour peace in the MLB and Fehr was a major reason why. Teams were losing money in baseball just as much as teams are losing money in hockey, but now there has been peace for 17 years. Hockey would be lucky to get back to playing for 10 years straight without the owners locking the players out.

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Uhh...yes it does.

There's peace because there's enough money to go around to pay crazy big contracts and still make a ton.

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Up to the owners now...

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Uhh...yes it does.

There's peace because there's enough money to go around to pay crazy big contracts and still make a ton.
There is enough money to go around because of the deal Fehr set up, just like the deal Fehr and the PA have set up on their most recent offer.

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Wow, how the stories change.

Weren't you and others saying it's better for there to be a lockout because now they aren't losing money? So which is it?

Whether you agree or not, the owners locked the players out, the players were willing to play without a deal, the owners had zero interest.

You can say the NHL has gained x amount of revenue therefore Bettman is a genious, But there have been 3 lockouts in his tenure, more than any of the 4 sports combined. It is also last in revenue compared to the other major sports.

He has done some good, but the bad out weighs the good, and he should be gone.
Of course the players are willing to play without a deal. They would still be making 57% of HRR.

Reverse the tables and have the players only making 43% of HRR and them wanting some back and they wouldn't be playing without a CBA either.

Actually he hasn't had more lockouts then all the other major sports combined. Since 1995 the NBA alone has had 4 lockouts to the NHLs 3, but who's counting.

So Bettman has grown the NHL more then any other commissioner but because they are still last in the 4 major sports in revenue he isn't doing a good job?

Seriously your blaming Betteman for hockey not being popular? Guess what, no person on the planet would have the NHL making much more money and certainly wouldn't have them in the top 3. Hockey just isn't as popular as those sports and that isn't changing anytime soon no mater who the commissioner is.

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Look at the death stare and his hands, looks like he is about to strangle him. I wouldn't have it be anyone other than this guy getting in Bettman's face and by extension representing us as fans, lol. Way to be, man, way to ****ing be!

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FINALLY. A veteran player has spoken up.
Roman Hamrlik has spoken up and said the players have not pushed Fehr enough.

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"I am disgusted. We have to push Fehr to the wall to get the deal. Time is against us. We lost 1/4 season, it is $425 million. Who will give it back to us? Mr. Fehr?

"There should be voting between players. Four questions - YES or NO - then count it. If half of players say let's play, then they should sign new CBA. If there is no season he should leave and we will find someone new. Time is our enemy."

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Not surprised to see Hamrlik breaking - the guy isn't exactly young. I suppose I haven't lost complete faith in every last player in this league, at least.

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Look at the death stare and his hands, looks like he is about to strangle him. I wouldn't have it be anyone other than this guy getting in Bettman's face and by extension representing us as fans, lol. Way to be, man, way to ****ing be!
I always thought bettman was way balder at the back.

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I'd punch Bettman and tell him he needs to stop it with those lockouts... 3 out of 3. Well done Gary.

Guy has to go and with him his failed South expanding teams. Doesn't change that Fehr sucks too

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