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11-21-2012, 12:46 PM
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Or maybe they're negotiating in good faith....

https://twitter.com/ChrisBottaNHL/st...05477588152320
Since they are not releasing it publicly and since the details have been shared by Fehr and his deputies to every media outlet in the civilized world, you'd have to think this is just more posturing.

If this was a proposal that could spark serious negotiations, I think the NHLPA would have waited for talks to break down before sharing with the media.

This is more pomp and circumstance for the fans and media.

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11-21-2012, 12:47 PM
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The financial gap in CBA talks is on make whole payments. NHLPA asked for $393M today. League has previously offered $211M.

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11-21-2012, 12:48 PM
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Yes, 50-50 plus make whole. RT @mirtle: @reporterchris Yeah. The rest must be all 50-50.

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11-21-2012, 12:59 PM
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James Mirtle - Globe and Mail

Does that mean they have to agree up to the comma?
Just to set things straight, 180m is not by any standard used substantial. 1m per team and year if term is six years. The PA ate AHL contracts, that's much more than 180m when everything is said and done.

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11-21-2012, 01:02 PM
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https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/271311398359928832
https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/271311627842883584
https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/271311978864205824

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I believe PA already presented this idea to eliminate back-diving contracts; league wasn't interested. We'll see now that econ is diff. (1)
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(cont.) Under PA proposal, cap benefit a team had before player retired early would count against cap after player retired.
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PA doesn't like five-percent variance because it limits teams' flexibility -- and thus limits the market for players.
I can see their point, but I don't see the NHL signing off on that. It defers the cap penalty way too long.

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11-21-2012, 01:06 PM
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The financial gap in CBA talks is on make whole payments. NHLPA asked for $393M today. League has previously offered $211M.

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The players are being beyond greedy. My optimism is non existent now

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11-21-2012, 01:07 PM
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I have no idea how this stuff works, but is it a 182M gap over 6 years divided by the number of amount of teams in the league? if so, they are fighting over 1M per team which in the grand scheme of things is nothing.

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11-21-2012, 01:07 PM
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The players are being beyond greedy. My optimism is non existent now
No I'd say that's pretty reasonable.

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The NHL's minor league provision had AHL salary counting against the cap but not HRR. That isn't a union change.

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I have no idea how this stuff works, but is it a 182M gap over 6 years divided by the number of amount of teams in the league? if so, they are fighting over 1M per team which in the grand scheme of things is nothing.
We don't even know if they are fighting that yet. The NHL may accept the make whole part of the deal. They were $381 million apart before today.

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11-21-2012, 01:15 PM
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We don't even know if they are fighting that yet. The NHL may accept the make whole part of the deal. They were $381 million apart before today.
so they moved about 200M closer then.

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11-21-2012, 01:16 PM
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The NHL's minor league provision had AHL salary counting against the cap but not HRR. That isn't a union change.
Cap on AHL deals.

You won't sign risky deals on a player that could make or break. And there are alot of them. From Rissmillers to Haley's and guys like that.

There is alot more than 30m of NHL contracts in the AHL on avg. When those misstakes count much fewer misstakes will be made.

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11-21-2012, 01:17 PM
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so they moved about 200M closer then.
Yes. NHLPA asked for $592M before today, now it's $391M.

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11-21-2012, 01:18 PM
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Yes. NHLPA asked for $592M before today, now it's $391M.
If I were the league i'd view this as a pretty serious concession. But they have to be careful how much they try to work with it because this may be an absolute last ditch "best we can do" offer from the PA to save the season.

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11-21-2012, 01:20 PM
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If I were the league i'd view this as a pretty serious concession. But they have to be careful how much they try to work with it because this may be an absolute last ditch "best we can do" offer from the PA to save the season.
God I hope not. Hope they respond to concessions with concessions.

Call me crazy, but I think they will.

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11-21-2012, 01:36 PM
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So Ferh and NHLPA doesn't want public to see full offer unlike NHL

Sounds like this is a smokescreen ,,, I imagine there will be major issues with how Fehr defines HRR and other financial aspects
no benefit for the pa to release the proposal at the moment. if the nhl rejects it out right, then they should post it.

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11-21-2012, 01:37 PM
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NHLPA proposes the Upper Limit (salary cap) may not fall below 67.25 M in any year of the agreement.
Oh **** off

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11-21-2012, 01:39 PM
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The NHL's minor league provision had AHL salary counting against the cap but not HRR. That isn't a union change.
change there is on the threshold up from $105k to $1 mil so it doesn't effect legit ahlers and only applies to nhlers being buried like its intended

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11-21-2012, 01:41 PM
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did you link to the wrong tweet?

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So Ferh and NHLPA doesn't want public to see full offer unlike NHL

Sounds like this is a smokescreen ,,, I imagine there will be major issues with how Fehr defines HRR and other financial aspects


here it is: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=409992

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PA still wants the rewards without the risks, nothing's changed.

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11-21-2012, 01:44 PM
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o +8M/-8M payroll range becomes +/- 20% of midpoint beginning in 2013/14
that is a big change imo...under the old rules with the floor being 8 mil below the midpoint, the floor grew at a faster rate then the cap

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11-21-2012, 01:45 PM
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did you link to the wrong tweet?
Yes, sorry here it is:

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The Lower limit must be satisfied without consideration of performance bonuses.
Ouch, Islanders & Oilers

EDIT - Isles actually have much less in bonuses than I had suspected.

So in the PA's plan, in 2013/2014. If the midpoint is say $60, which could be reasonable to expect for a midpoint, the lower and upper limits would be $48 and $72?

And didn't the NHL want an upper-limit of ~$60 in their most recent proposal? Oh boy....


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This isn't going to end well. Sounds almost like the players want nothing to change except the route it takes to get there.

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