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11-21-2012, 02:22 PM
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The sharks have very solid center depth where as the Leafs are strong on the wing, I think this deal could make sense.

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This deal only works if a contract extension can be negotiated with Lupul prior to the deal. Let me know what both fan bases think?

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11-21-2012, 02:28 PM
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If the Sharks are trading two legit top-6 players, they should be getting at least two back, I think.

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11-21-2012, 02:31 PM
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If the Sharks are trading two legit top-6 players, they should be getting at least two back, I think.
both Mac and Lupul are top 6 forwards. But SJ still says no. Im pretty sure Pavelski is their golden boy

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If the Sharks are trading two legit top-6 players, they should be getting at least two back, I think.
They are, Macarthur, bozak, and Lupul are all top 6 forwards with the first two being on the borderline but should put up the same numbers as clowe and provide speed which the sharks need.

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The sharks have very solid center depth where as the Leafs are strong on the wing, I think this deal could make sense.

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Lupul
Bozak/macarthur
Colborne/Ashton/Percy/Blacker
2014 1st

Toronto
Ryan clowe
Joe pavelski

This deal only works if a contract extension can be negotiated with Lupul prior to the deal. Let me know what both fan bases think?
No thanks.

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11-21-2012, 02:32 PM
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I don't think 1 good season brings Lupul's value up that much. He will need to show that last season is what you are to expect of him moving forward. In order to do that, he needs another repeat season like the last.

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11-21-2012, 02:33 PM
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I don't think 1 good season brings Lupul's value up that much. He will need to show that last season is what you are to expect of him moving forward. In order to do that, he needs another repeat season like the last.
That makes sense from a sharks perspective.

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11-21-2012, 02:39 PM
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They are, Macarthur, bozak, and Lupul are all top 6 forwards with the first two being on the borderline but should put up the same numbers as clowe and provide speed which the sharks need.
Bozak is a 3rd liner IMO. Only played in the top 6 for TML since they had no other centers.

The offer i would want would be Lupul, Bozak, Colborne and the 1st 2014. Still don't think I'd do it though.

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11-21-2012, 02:44 PM
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The sharks have very solid center depth where as the Leafs are strong on the wing, I think this deal could make sense.

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SJS
Lupul
Bozak/macarthur
Colborne/Ashton/Percy/Blacker
2014 1st

Toronto
Ryan clowe
Joe pavelski

This deal only works if a contract extension can be negotiated with Lupul prior to the deal. Let me know what both fan bases think?
That's a major overpayment from Toronto.

Plus why should the deal only work if Lupul could work out a contract extension? Since Ryan Clowe is also going to be a UFA shouldn't Toronto say he needs also work one out with them?

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That's a major overpayment from Toronto.

Plus why should the deal only work if Lupul could work out a contract extension? Since Ryan Clowe is also going to be a UFA shouldn't Toronto say he needs also work one out with them?
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11-21-2012, 03:47 PM
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That's a major overpayment from Toronto.

Plus why should the deal only work if Lupul could work out a contract extension? Since Ryan Clowe is also going to be a UFA shouldn't Toronto say he needs also work one out with them?
Not an overpayment at all.

The offense we lose in Lupul and MacArthur are easily gained (plus more) by Pavelski and Clowe. Then we lose Bozak who's a third line center that can be replaced and Colborne who in my opinion, is going to bust pretty damn hard.

This makes SJ a considerably worse team, no way the Sharks even consider this at all.

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11-21-2012, 04:26 PM
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This doesn't make sense from our POV. We give up the two best players in the deal, both of whom play in our position of weakness (wing). Why would we further downgrade our top 6 wingers for picks/prospects?

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11-21-2012, 04:28 PM
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No from leafs. Lupul = Pavelski (assuming Lupul repeats). Clowe =< MacArthur + Bozak

And we are giving up a potential top 5-10 pick if we don't improve

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11-21-2012, 04:29 PM
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This doesn't make sense from our POV. We give up the two best players in the deal, both of whom play in our position of weakness (wing). Why would we further downgrade our top 6 wingers for picks/prospects?
Clowe being better than Lupul is laughable.

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No from leafs. Lupul = Pavelski (assuming Lupul repeats). Clowe =< MacArthur + Bozak

And we are giving up a potential top 5-10 pick if we don't improve
In what universe are Bozak or MacArthur even close to being worth Clowe, let alone both of them being better than Clowe?

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Clowe being better than Lupul is laughable.
So is Lupul being as good as Pavelski.

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11-21-2012, 04:42 PM
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The sharks have very solid center depth where as the Leafs are strong on the wing, I think this deal could make sense.

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SJS
Lupul
Bozak/macarthur
Colborne/Ashton/Percy/Blacker
2014 1st

Toronto
Ryan clowe
Joe pavelski

This deal only works if a contract extension can be negotiated with Lupul prior to the deal. Let me know what both fan bases think?

Lupul is the best player in the deal and the 2014 first might not be far behind. Clowe is 30, a UFA not much value there. Pavelski is a small number 2 not the number on eToronto needs.

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11-21-2012, 05:05 PM
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In what universe are Bozak or MacArthur even close to being worth Clowe, let alone both of them being better than Clowe?
I guess you haven't seen the endless MacArthur + pick/prospect for Clowe proposals that are on these boards almost every day? Some of which SJ fan agree to because they need to gain speed, which Clowe lacks
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So is Lupul being as good as Pavelski.
Lupul is a PPG player for the leafs. You think Pavelski will be a PPG player for the leafs if we got him?

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11-21-2012, 05:09 PM
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That makes sense from a sharks perspective.
This makes sense from a hockey perspective, and not just the sharks. No thanks a million times over and /thread.

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I guess you haven't seen the endless MacArthur + pick/prospect for Clowe proposals that are on these boards almost every day? Some of which SJ fan agree to because they need to gain speed, which Clowe lacks
Pretty much the reason we would trade him, doesn't mean he doesn't hold more value to us than what you are offering.

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Lupul is a PPG player for the leafs. You think Pavelski will be a PPG player for the leafs if we got him?
Once again its already been stated in this thread that more than one season would be needed by MOST OF THE NHL to qualify that thats what Lupul really is.

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11-21-2012, 07:04 PM
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Lol, no from the Leafs.

All things considered, in a vacuum, Lupul and Pavelski are pretty much equal. Only problem is, Pavelski is not a #1 center, so we would be trading a 1st-line LW for a 2nd-line C/RW that we don't really need.

So probably wouldn't even do that to start with, but now comes the real problem with the trade.

Clowe is not worth anything close to Bozak/Macarthur + 1st (which could be anywhere from 1-30) + a higher-end prospect.

Clowe is worth more like Macarthur on his own. 50-ish point, 20-ish goal 2nd-liners who can hit 60 with good teammates (or in Clowe's case, very good teammates). Both have the 1 year left on their contract. Macarthur has speed and youth (and frankly, better playmaking ability), Clowe has grit.

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And Leafs fans wonder why they are routinely looked down upon on the trade forum. In no way is Lupul better than Pavelski basing it on just one season. Pavelski is a much better defensive player, can play center or wing. Then to say that Clowe isn't worth either of the players is straight absurd, the Sharks are giving up the two best players in this deal.

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As a habs fan and not big on the leafs, I think San Jose has to seriously consider a future rebuilding and that 2014 1st could definitely be a lottery pick. Make it a 2013 first and a chance at MacKinnon and the rebuild is on. Coutore and Mackinnon as 1 and 1a. ummmmm

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Once again its already been stated in this thread that more than one season would be needed by MOST OF THE NHL to qualify that thats what Lupul really is.
Fair enough, but Leafs wouldn't trade Lupul if he was regarded with less value than he has to us. He was an AllStar this year, and there is no reason for him to not resort back to that state next year. If anything his point totals should increase once the leafs get a legit top C. As you can tell, I definitely do not believe it was "fluke", but then again we all saw what happened to Kule last year so who knows. (He'll rebound IMO though)

I don't see how this improves the leafs, we lose our top LW/AllStar. Also, trading that '14 pick is EXTREMELY risky... If we don't improve that pick could be top 5/10, in a very good draft by the looks of it.

Tbh I don't see either side doing this, but I can say with confidence that the Leafs wouldn't, maybe if the 1st is dropped I would probably do it.

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And Leafs fans wonder why they are routinely looked down upon on the trade forum. In no way is Lupul better than Pavelski basing it on just one season. Pavelski is a much better defensive player, can play center or wing. Then to say that Clowe isn't worth either of the players is straight absurd, the Sharks are giving up the two best players in this deal.
I'll agree with you there; Lupul had a great season, but so did Marek Svatos, Nik Kulemin, etc. If he repeats his PPG season next year, you'll be looking at quite a bit more than Pavelski coming, though. So I guess that's where the gamble comes in.

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