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11-21-2012, 10:25 PM
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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, in order of draft position:

B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg / AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg / CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00ppg, 0.00ppg / CHL - -----
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30ppg / AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg / CHL -----
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg / AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg / NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg / AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg / CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg / AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg / CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg / AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg / CHL -----
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg / CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg / AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg / CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg / AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg / CHL ----
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg / AHL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg / CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg / AHL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg / CHL ----
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg / AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg / CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg / CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg / AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg / CHL -----
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg / AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg / CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg / AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg / CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg / AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg / NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg / AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg / CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg / AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg / CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg / AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg / CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg / CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
A.Esposito (#20): NHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg / CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg / AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg / CHL -----

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11-21-2012, 10:33 PM
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That's exactly what it means. Are you seriously saying that if John Tavares wasn't in the NHL by now he wouldn't be declared a bust?

And do Leafs fans have the same expectations for Carter Ashton and Nazem Kadri? No, their expectations are different based on where they were drafted, as is the case with all prospects.
No we don't, we base our expectations off their level of play, not where they're drafted. Deeming a player a bust or giving him less time to develop in the minors because of his draft number is beyond idiotic. Maybe you & some other posters here like to do that, but I sure hope NHL team's don't.


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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, in order of draft position:

B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg / AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg / CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00ppg, 0.00ppg / CHL - -----
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30ppg / AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg / CHL -----
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg / AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg / NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg / AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg / CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg / AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg / CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg / AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg / CHL -----
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg / CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg / AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg / CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg / AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg / CHL ----
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg / AHL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg / CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg / AHL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg / CHL ----
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg / AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg / CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg / CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg / AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg / CHL -----
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg / AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg / CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg / AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg / CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg / AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg / NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg / AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg / CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg / AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg / CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg / AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg / CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg / CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg / AHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
A.Esposito (#20): NHL - 0gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg / AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg / CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg / AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg / CHL -----
Since Kadri was a late 90 birthday his professional career started a year earlier than a lot of those players who had 2 more years of Junior eligibility. A year earlier in the AHL means your ELC starts a year earlier.. Plus when you consider that the Leafs have been a bottom feeder that gives him more opportunities for call ups than guys who were drafted to playoff teams and only had 1 AHL season three years after their draft.

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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, broken down by level, in order of PPG:

NHL

S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg
B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30pp
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL ------
L.MacMillan (#19): NHL ------
A.Esposito (#20): NHL -----


AHL

S.Gagner (#6): AHL ----
J.Voracek (#7): AHL ----
J.Bailey (#9): AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg
B.Schenn (#5): AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg
L.Couture (#9): AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg
P.Holland (#15): AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg
N.Kadri (#7): AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg
C.Wilson (#7): AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg
L.Eller (#13): AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): HL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg
M.Boedker (#8): AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg
N.Filatov (#6): AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg
J.Josefson (#20): AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): HL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg
J.Colborne (#15): AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg
K.Beach (#11)): AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg
S.Glennie (#8): AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg
B.Sutter (#11): AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg
C.Gillies (#16): AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg
A.Esposito (#20): AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg
C.Kreider (#19): AHL -----



CHL/NCAA

N.Kadri (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
J.Voracek (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
B.Schenn (#5): CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
P.Holland (#15): CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
L.Couture (#9): CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
S.Glennie (#8): CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
A.Esposito (#20): CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
K.Beach (#11)): CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
B.Sutter (#11): CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
C.Gillies (#16): CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
S.Gagner (#6): CHL ------
N.Filatov (#6): CHL -----
M.Boedker (#8): CHL -----
J.Bailey (#9): CHL ----
M.Paajarvi (#10): CHL ----
L.Eller (#13): CHL -----
J.Josefson (#20): CHL -----

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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, broken down by level, in order of PPG:

NHL

S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg
B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30pp
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL ------
L.MacMillan (#19): NHL ------
A.Esposito (#20): NHL -----


AHL

S.Gagner (#6): AHL ----
J.Voracek (#7): AHL ----
J.Bailey (#9): AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg
B.Schenn (#5): AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg
L.Couture (#9): AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg
P.Holland (#15): AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg
N.Kadri (#7): AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg
C.Wilson (#7): AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg
L.Eller (#13): AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): HL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg
M.Boedker (#8): AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg
N.Filatov (#6): AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg
J.Josefson (#20): AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): HL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg
J.Colborne (#15): AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg
K.Beach (#11)): AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg
S.Glennie (#8): AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg
B.Sutter (#11): AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg
C.Gillies (#16): AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg
A.Esposito (#20): AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg
C.Kreider (#19): AHL -----



CHL/NCAA

N.Kadri (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
J.Voracek (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
B.Schenn (#5): CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
P.Holland (#15): CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
L.Couture (#9): CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
S.Glennie (#8): CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
A.Esposito (#20): CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
K.Beach (#11)): CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
B.Sutter (#11): CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
C.Gillies (#16): CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
S.Gagner (#6): CHL ------
N.Filatov (#6): CHL -----
M.Boedker (#8): CHL -----
J.Bailey (#9): CHL ----
M.Paajarvi (#10): CHL ----
L.Eller (#13): CHL -----
J.Josefson (#20): CHL -----
Every single category is skewed by ignoring that players with late birthdays will have 2 pro years while the other will have 2 junior years. Curious, when you made a list like this, what made you not consider using the last junior year for everyone, rookie + 2nd pro year for everyone...

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I was referring to their careers thus far, too. I'm not going to do the math, but I'm pretty sure that season wise, Kadri averages as much, if not close to the same amount of points/per game as schenn in the NHL. Considering you like comparing linemates, team scoring and all that fun stuff... I'd argue that it is more of an impressive feat for Kadri, then schenn given the success and abilities of their respective rosters.
Well...what is your argument that would support Kadri's production is more impressive? I'm kinda curious.

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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, broken down by level, in order of PPG:

NHL

S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg
B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30pp
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL ------
L.MacMillan (#19): NHL ------
A.Esposito (#20): NHL -----


AHL

S.Gagner (#6): AHL ----
J.Voracek (#7): AHL ----
J.Bailey (#9): AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg
B.Schenn (#5): AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg
L.Couture (#9): AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg
P.Holland (#15): AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg
N.Kadri (#7): AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg
C.Wilson (#7): AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg
L.Eller (#13): AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): HL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg
M.Boedker (#8): AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg
N.Filatov (#6): AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg
J.Josefson (#20): AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): HL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg
J.Colborne (#15): AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg
K.Beach (#11)): AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg
S.Glennie (#8): AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg
B.Sutter (#11): AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg
C.Gillies (#16): AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg
A.Esposito (#20): AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg
C.Kreider (#19): AHL -----



CHL/NCAA

N.Kadri (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
J.Voracek (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
B.Schenn (#5): CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
P.Holland (#15): CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
L.Couture (#9): CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
S.Glennie (#8): CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
A.Esposito (#20): CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
K.Beach (#11)): CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
B.Sutter (#11): CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
C.Gillies (#16): CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
S.Gagner (#6): CHL ------
N.Filatov (#6): CHL -----
M.Boedker (#8): CHL -----
J.Bailey (#9): CHL ----
M.Paajarvi (#10): CHL ----
L.Eller (#13): CHL -----
J.Josefson (#20): CHL -----
Kadri got significant Powerplay time. In 29 GP in 2010-2011 he received 2:35 PP TOI/GP and in 21 GP he received 1:36 PP TOI/GP. He failed to carve out a niche for himself thus far though. You can't be a 0.33 PPG player when you're one-dimensional. Heck you can't be 0.5 PPG if you're one dimensional. That's why guys like Keith Aucoin remain AHL superstars.

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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, broken down by level, in order of PPG:

NHL

S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg
B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30pp
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL ------
L.MacMillan (#19): NHL ------
A.Esposito (#20): NHL -----


AHL

S.Gagner (#6): AHL ----
J.Voracek (#7): AHL ----
J.Bailey (#9): AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg
B.Schenn (#5): AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg
L.Couture (#9): AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg
P.Holland (#15): AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg
N.Kadri (#7): AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg
C.Wilson (#7): AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg
L.Eller (#13): AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): HL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg
M.Boedker (#8): AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg
N.Filatov (#6): AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg
J.Josefson (#20): AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): HL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg
J.Colborne (#15): AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg
K.Beach (#11)): AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg
S.Glennie (#8): AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg
B.Sutter (#11): AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg
C.Gillies (#16): AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg
A.Esposito (#20): AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg
C.Kreider (#19): AHL -----



CHL/NCAA

N.Kadri (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
J.Voracek (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
B.Schenn (#5): CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
P.Holland (#15): CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
L.Couture (#9): CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
S.Glennie (#8): CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
A.Esposito (#20): CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
K.Beach (#11)): CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
B.Sutter (#11): CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
C.Gillies (#16): CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
S.Gagner (#6): CHL ------
N.Filatov (#6): CHL -----
M.Boedker (#8): CHL -----
J.Bailey (#9): CHL ----
M.Paajarvi (#10): CHL ----
L.Eller (#13): CHL -----
J.Josefson (#20): CHL -----
Do you have an opinion zeke?
I'd be interested in hearing it.

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Every single category is skewed by ignoring that players with late birthdays will have 2 pro years while the other will have 2 junior years. Curious, when you made a list like this, what made you not consider using the last junior year for everyone, rookie + 2nd pro year for everyone...
Yup, Kadri is almost a year older than a guy like Brayden Schenn. Only looking at their last junior seasons (regular season PPG, playoff PPG, total PPG):

Kadri: 1.66 PPG Regular season, 2.25 PPG playoffs, 1.76 total
Schenn: 1.96 PPG regular season, 1.1 PPG playoffs, 1.73 total

Ofcourse they played in different leagues, and had different calibre of line mates.

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Kadri got significant Powerplay time. In 29 GP in 2010-2011 he received 2:35 PP TOI/GP and in 21 GP he received 1:36 PP TOI/GP. He failed to carve out a niche for himself thus far though. You can't be a 0.33 PPG player when you're one-dimensional. Heck you can't be 0.5 PPG if you're one dimensional. That's why guys like Keith Aucoin remain AHL superstars.
So Joey Crabb is better than Kadri?

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Yup, Kadri is almost a year older than a guy like Brayden Schenn. Only looking at their last junior seasons (regular season PPG, playoff PPG, total PPG):

Kadri: 1.66 PPG Regular season, 2.25 PPG playoffs, 1.76 total
Schenn: 1.96 PPG regular season, 1.1 PPG playoffs, 1.73 total

Ofcourse they played in different leagues, and had different calibre of line mates.
Not to mention the inconsistency of using playoff NHL stats for some players like Kreider yet not for others like Schenn. There's nothing wrong with posting numbers but if one is going to imply something it is best to at least limit the inconsistencies and present it in a fair manner.

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heh. so now you're throwing out all the stats because kadri is a few months older than some of them? hilarious.


Birthdates of those forwards, oldest to youngest:

Z.Hamill: September 23
J.Bailey: October 2
Z.Boychuk: October 4
N.Kadri: October 6
C.Wilson: October 20
M.Boedker: December 16
K.Beach: January 13
P.Holland: January 14
Z.Kassian: January 24
L.Leblanc: January 26
J.Colborne: January 30
C.Gillis: February 12
B.Sutter: February 14
C.Hodgson: February 18
A.Esposito: February 20
S.Glennie: February 22
J.Josefson: March 2
L.Couture: March 28
M.Pajaarvi: April 12
C.Kreider: April 30
L.Eller: May 8
N.Filatov: May 25
L.MacMillan: July 5
S.Gagner: August 10
J.Voracek: August 15
B.Schenn: August 22

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Zeke, you're clearly using arbitrary criteria to manufacture a point.

Why are you comparing Kadri with players who were picked 10-13 spots below? Why don't you compared him to say, the Top 10 or even 15 picks in the drafts and see how he compares?

FTR I'm not a Kadri hater, I'm confident he will be a regular top 6 scoring forward. But the extent to which some Leafs fans try to make him look good is a bit ridiculous.

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Points don't tell the whole story on who's better/progressing as a young player and they never do. I can tell you right now that kids like Wilson, Josefson, Schenn, etc etc are already better players than Kadri and are doing better in their development.

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Points don't tell the whole story on who's better/progressing as a young player and they never do. I can tell you right now that kids like Wilson, Josefson, Schenn, etc etc are already better players than Kadri and are doing better in their development.
Now that he's scoring a lot I'm sure points don't tell the story. They did more the first 3 weeks of the season I bet.

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Lol why is this Zeke guy comparing him against people drafted much below him? Compare him against the 5th-10th overall picks since he is in the middle of that criteria

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Lol why is this Zeke guy comparing him against people drafted much below him? Compare him against the 5th-10th overall picks since he is in the middle of that criteria
You miss Brayden Schenn on the list? Looks like he's comparing to players his age...

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It's true.

1/4 hated him the moment he was drafted
1/4 hated him during the post-draft years
1/2 say they like him but would rather have B.Schenn
ok.... this made me laugh, its pretty much spot on too!


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Kadri picked up a nice assist tonight in a 3-2 loss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hEU...ature=youtu.be

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All forwards drafted from picks #5-20 in the 2007-09 drafts, with their 3 years of post-draft stats, broken down by level, in order of PPG:

NHL

S.Gagner (#6): NHL - 223gms, 0.20gpg, 0.59ppg
J.Voracek (#7): NHL - 161gms, 0.16gpg, 0.55ppg
J.Bailey (#9): NHL - 211gms, 0.16gpg, 0.42ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NHL - 126gms, 0.19gpg, 0.40ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NHL - 18gms, 0.27gpg, 0.39ppg
B.Sutter (#11): NHL - 122gms, 0.18gpg, 0.38ppg
N.Kadri (#7): NHL - 51gms, 0.16gpg, 0.37ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): NHL - 121gms, 0.14gpg, 0.35ppg
M.Boedker (#8): NHL - 130gms, 0.12gpg, 0.35ppg
L.Couture (#9): NHL - 40gms, 0.23gpg, 0.33ppg
B.Schenn (#5): NHL - 63gms, 0.19gpg, 0.32ppg
N.Filatov (#6): NHL - 44gms, 0.14gpg, 0.30pp
Z.Boychuk (#14): NHL - 56gms, 0.13gpg, 0.29ppg
J.Josefson (#20): NHL - 75gms, 0.07gpg, 0.27ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): NHL - 42gms, 0.12gpg, 0.24ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): NHL - 48gms, 0.08gpg, 0.21ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): NHL - 20gms, 0.05gpg, 0.15ppg
C.Gillies (#16): NHL - 45gms, 0.04gpg, 0.16ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 1.00ppg
L.Eller (#13): NHL - 7gms, 0.29gpg, 0.29ppg
P.Holland (#15): NHL - 4gms, 0.25gpg 0.25ppg
S.Glennie (#8): NHL - 1gms, 0.00gpg, 0.00ppg
K.Beach (#11)): NHL ------
L.MacMillan (#19): NHL ------
A.Esposito (#20): NHL -----


AHL

S.Gagner (#6): AHL ----
J.Voracek (#7): AHL ----
J.Bailey (#9): AHL - 11gms, 0.55gpg, 1.55ppg
B.Schenn (#5): AHL - 19gms, 0.53gpg, 1.21ppg
L.Couture (#9): AHL - 58gms, 0.38gpg, 0.97ppg
P.Holland (#15): AHL - 74gms, 0.35gpg, 0.89ppg
N.Kadri (#7): AHL - 103gms, 0.37gpg, 0.88ppg
C.Wilson (#7): AHL - 40gms, 0.33gpg, 0.85ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): AHL - 138gms, 0.30gpg, 0.84ppg
L.Eller (#13): AHL - 70gms, 0.26gpg, 0.81ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): AHL - 33gms, 0.46gpg, 0.79ppg
M.Paajarvi (#10): HL - 48gms, 0.19gpg, 0.75ppg
M.Boedker (#8): AHL - 100gms, 0.23gpg, 0.72ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): AHL - 31gms, 0.36gpg, 0.71ppg
N.Filatov (#6): AHL - 75gms, 0.33gpg, 0.69ppg
J.Josefson (#20): AHL - 22gms, 0.23gpg, 0.68ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): HL - 63gms, 0.30gpg, 0.57ppg
J.Colborne (#15): AHL - 81gms, 0.25gpg, 0.54ppg
K.Beach (#11)): AHL - 101gms, 0.24gpg, 0.49ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): AHL - 172gms, 0.17gpg, 0.49ppg
S.Glennie (#8): AHL - 80gms, 0.16gpg, 0.48ppg
B.Sutter (#11): AHL - 43gms, 0.14gpg, 0.47ppg
C.Gillies (#16): AHL - 88gms, 0.09gpg, 0.32ppg
A.Esposito (#20): AHL - 13gms, 0.00gpg, 0.31ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): AHL - 71gms, 0.07gpg, 0.17ppg
C.Kreider (#19): AHL -----



CHL/NCAA

N.Kadri (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.65gpg, 1.77ppg
J.Voracek (#7): CHL - 68gms, 0.56gpg, 1.75ppg
B.Schenn (#5): CHL - 113gms, 0.62gpg, 1.65ppg
C.Hodgson (#10): CHL - 98gms, 0.66gpg, 1.56ppg
P.Holland (#15): CHL - 137gms, 0.53gpg, 1.34ppg
Z.Boychuk (#14): CHL - 54gms, 0.65gpg, 1.30ppg
C.Wilson (#7): NCAA - 43gms, 0.40gpg, 1.29ppg
L.Couture (#9): CHL - 124gms, 0.52gpg, 1.27ppg
S.Glennie (#8): CHL - 157gms, 0.47gpg, 1.27ppg
A.Esposito (#20): CHL - 102gms, 0.57gpg, 1.19ppg
Z.Kassian (#13): CHL - 96gms, 0.46gpg, 1.18ppg
K.Beach (#11)): CHL - 139gms, 0.60gpg, 1.15ppg
L.LeBlanc (#18): CHL - 61gms, 0.53gpg, 1.10ppg
Z.Hamill (#8): CHL - 71gms, 0.37gpg, 1.10ppg
J.Colborne (#15): NCAA - 79gms, 0.41gpg, 0.91ppg
L.MacMillan (#19): CHL - 76gms, 0.29gpg, 0.84ppg
B.Sutter (#11): CHL - 59gms, 0.44gpg, 0.83ppg
C.Kreider (#19): NCAA - 114gms, 0.43gpg, 0.82ppg
C.Gillies (#16): CHL - 58gms, 0.41gpg, 0.81ppg
S.Gagner (#6): CHL ------
N.Filatov (#6): CHL -----
M.Boedker (#8): CHL -----
J.Bailey (#9): CHL ----
M.Paajarvi (#10): CHL ----
L.Eller (#13): CHL -----
J.Josefson (#20): CHL -----
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You miss Brayden Schenn on the list? Looks like he's comparing to players his age...
Did you miss something here?

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Lars Eller has 163 NHL games played, not 7... Were did you get those stats?

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Lol why is this Zeke guy comparing him against people drafted much below him? Compare him against the 5th-10th overall picks since he is in the middle of that criteria
Also conveniently ignoring guys drafted below 20 that have done better than Kadri. Why 5 to 20?

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zeke is the same poster who said Bozak was better than Plekanec because of his ppg pace in his first season with the Leafs.

Stats tell little if almost nothing a lot of cases without context.

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All this thread is telling me is I should hate Sam gagner less than I do

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Watching him last night, I wasn't really impressed. He had a really nice assist, but was a real non-factor. He actually reminds me a bit of a less talented Kovalev. He plays when he wants to, and leaves a lot to be desired. It takes a coach benching him to actually wake him up. He was also poor defensively and didn't contribute to that aspect much.

Head-to-head, I thought Silfverberg was much better. Goal and an assist. Helped out a lot on defense. Gave it his all every shift. I'd watch out for him as he's starting to heat up after adjusting to the North American game.

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