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Stickied. Continue on, lads and lasses.

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I will be over the moon if AA does two more things for us:

1) One more Starting Pitcher - Happ is serviceable, but I think we can do better.
2) Upgrade at 1B/DH (basically, upgrading Adam Lind) - When your 1B, a position normally associated with a good bat, is projected at hitting 8th in the lineup, you know that's a weak spot

Still very excited with the team, but that's two spots where we obviously could improve.

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gose will be our cf

if rasmus does well then that ups his market value

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gose will be our cf

if rasmus does well then that ups his market value
Rasmus has enough power to play a corner outfield spot.

Gose has done nothing to show he has a major league calibre bat yet.

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2) Upgrade at 1B/DH (basically, upgrading Adam Lind) - When your 1B, a position normally associated with a good bat, is projected at hitting 8th in the lineup, you know that's a weak spot
I asked in the last thread if David Cooper had become the forgotten man. I liked what I saw from him a lot until his injury, is he not a nice player to have with Lind if Lind falters?

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Rasmus has enough power to play a corner outfield spot.

Gose has done nothing to show he has a major league calibre bat yet.
With his speed, D, and arm he doesn't need to be great with the bat to be a + WAR player.

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Those radio hosts in the interview with JJ are terrible. Enough with the crazy high taxes in the new country he's going to. Just clueless.

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I asked in the last thread if David Cooper had become the forgotten man. I liked what I saw from him a lot until his injury, is he not a nice player to have with Lind if Lind falters?
Cooper is a 1B with little power. It's gonna be hard for him to develop a career in the majors IMO. He does have a good bat and hits the gaps but without power it's tough to justify him. I'm never not happy to have him in the lineup but it doesn't make a lot of sense to have him take a bench spot IMO

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i got no prob keeping colby in cf - for 1 yr anyway - LF next yr etc
but if you can package him for a quality starter or 1b i got no problem with that either

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Rasmus has enough power to play a corner outfield spot.

Gose has done nothing to show he has a major league calibre bat yet.
Yep and somehow he still managed to post a higher OBP as a extremely raw rookie then Rasmus did last season.

Gose's bat doesnt need to develop into great for him to be a really effective player.

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Cooper is a 1B with little power. It's gonna be hard for him to develop a career in the majors IMO. He does have a good bat and hits the gaps but without power it's tough to justify him. I'm never not happy to have him in the lineup but it doesn't make a lot of sense to have him take a bench spot IMO
As you said though, it's not all about power, Cooper has great contact/gap power - and with the lineup the Jays are about to field, I would imagine getting on base would be as big or bigger than smacking it out of the park as there are other guys for that.

At 25 years old, Cooper was well on his way last year, finishing with a .300 average. I think we might have something there that's at least platoon worthy (although, I realize they're both lefties).

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Yep and somehow he still managed to post a higher OBP as a extremely raw rookie then Rasmus did last season.

Gose's bat doesnt need to develop into great for him to be a really effective player.
Not debating that, just saying given the makeup of our team right now... far to early to give up on Colby and annoint Gose the starter.

That may be necessary by the all-star break, but not to start the year. We're better off hoping that Colby develops/breaks out than pinning everything on Gose and forcing him to develop in a high pressure situation.

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Cooper is a good compliment to the team we have. We have guys that get on base then we have power in Bautista and Edwin, Cooper is a singles/doubles hitter who will benefit greatly in scoring situations. This whole idea that 1B has to be taken over by a guy with power is ridiculous. Cooper can hit .300 and drive in guys like Reyes and others all day for all I care, he doesn't need to hit homers.

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As you said though, it's not all about power, Cooper has great contact/gap power - and with the lineup the Jays are about to field, I would imagine getting on base would be as big or bigger than smacking it out of the park as there are other guys for that.

At 25 years old, Cooper was well on his way last year, finishing with a .300 average. I think we might have something there that's at least platoon worthy (although, I realize they're both lefties).
With Cooper/Lind we should start comparing them to other DH's as opposed to 1b. Edwin is the best 1b we have with the glove right now, he'll be there opening night.

Cooper/Lind/playerx will be the DH.

Cooper's got some Overbay in him (the good version not the more recent version). He's a gap hitter with warning track power. There are far worse options to have at DH.

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With Cooper/Lind we should start comparing them to other DH's as opposed to 1b. Edwin is the best 1b we have with the glove right now, he'll be there opening night.

Cooper/Lind/playerx will be the DH.

Cooper's got some Overbay in him (the good version not the more recent version). He's a gap hitter with warning track power. There are far worse options to have at DH.
Fair enough, I originally meant that every single lineup I've read on here doesn't seem to mention Cooper at all, and I was starting to wonder if he's someone who had been swept aside because of all the big moves made.

I agree, I see some Overbay and some Olerud in him.

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What’s left on the Blue Jays’ off-season to-do list
Brendan Kennedy - Sports Reporter
Thursday November 22, 2012

-HIRE A COACHING STAFF
-ADD ANOTHER STARTING PITCHER
-DEAL WITH THE CATCHING LOGJAM
-SIGN OR TRADE FOR ANOTHER BAT

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseba...son-to-do-list

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The one thing I noticed about Cooper right away is that he is an above average opposite field hitter as well. He can hit to all fields while possible batting close to .300 .

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What? I didn't realize Lovullo and Butterfield followed Farrell to Boston. That's a shame, I liked Butterfield a lot.

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Coopers likely to give you what Lind does v. RHP. Not likely to be much of an upgrade unless something happens to Lind's contract.

Given that Cooper has options left (afaik), he makes for good depth.

The call-up options aren't all so bad. Cooper at 1B/DH, Sierra at RF/LF, Izturis at 2B/SS, plenty of RP's. Counting on the SP's at AAA is a bit dicier, and I'm not sure there's a great backup plan at 3B there. But there's plenty of off-season left.

*I assume that TDA is on ML team and the depth at C is already there.

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What? I didn't realize Lovullo and Butterfield followed Farrell to Boston. That's a shame, I liked Butterfield a lot.
A shame for them maybe. Given our roster now, do you believe those guys leave ?

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Coopers likely to give you what Lind does v. RHP. Not likely to be much of an upgrade unless something happens to Lind's contract.

Given that Cooper has options left (afaik), he makes for good depth.

The call-up options aren't all so bad. Cooper at 1B/DH, Sierra at RF/LF, Izturis at 2B/SS, plenty of RP's. Counting on the SP's at AAA is a bit dicier, and I'm not sure there's a great backup plan at 3B there. But there's plenty of off-season left.

*I assume that TDA is on ML team and the depth at C is already there.
The way it stands...

I would say the Bench to open up the season is:

Izturis: 2nd/3rd/SS/OF
Buck: C/DH
Cooper: 1B/DH
Davis: OF

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