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11-21-2012, 04:49 PM
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Ughh all we have to trade is garbage. No point even speculating.

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11-21-2012, 04:55 PM
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If the season begins at some point this would be my fantasy short term plan.

Trade #1
To Toronto - Roberto Luongo
To Vancouver - Clarke MacArthur + Joe Colborne + Nicolas Deschamps + 2nd round pick in 2013

Trade #2
To Toronto - Niklas Hjalmarsson
To Chicago - Tim Connolly + Ben Scrivens + Greg McKegg

Trade #3
To Toronto - Marty Reasoner
To New York Isles - Mike Komisarek + 4th round pick in 2014

2012-2013

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
Kadri - McClement - Frattin
Brown - Steckel - Lombardi
Komarov, Reasoner

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Hjalmarsson
Liles - Holzer
Franson

Luongo
Reimer

Trade Deadline - Move Lombardi, Steckel and Reasoner for picks.

Off-season
- Move Franson for a 2nd round pick in 2014 + B-level prospect
- Sign Stephen Weiss to a 5 year, 5.5 million per year deal.(depending on the new CBA)
- Sign Maxim Lapierre to a 2 year, 1.5 million per year deal.

2013-2014

Lupul - Weiss - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kadri
Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Brown - McClement - Lapierre
Komarov

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Hjalmarsson
Liles - Holzer
Rielly

Luongo
Reimer
You like overpaying?

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11-21-2012, 05:07 PM
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I disagree, the "current" accepted centre (Bozak) is 6'1", Skinner is 5'11" and they weigh the same (Skinner is actually listed at 200lbs Bozak 195llbs).

Basically you haven't sacrificed much in the way of strength, and added ELITE talent and a lot more points.
Size and weight doesn't matter for how good you are defensively, look at Hal Gill.

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11-21-2012, 05:13 PM
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They aren't trading Skinner. They have a good young core, they aren't going to ruin it.

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11-21-2012, 05:15 PM
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I don't even like Skinner that much to think about putting a serious offer to get him, notwithstanding the usual "all NHLers > Leafs assets" nonsense that usually comes with this train of thought...

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11-21-2012, 05:35 PM
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They aren't trading Skinner. They have a good young core, they aren't going to ruin it.
Just wondering if your quote is implying the Leafs need to "fleece" the Canes to make a trade out of this?

My thought was more along the lines: If the leafs have a good young core, and the Canes have a good young core, why not make a trade to progress both sides to fill in needed gaps?

It is possible for a trade to favour both sides no?
Not all trades need to have a loser. I would like to think GMs have a similar mind frame when it comes to making deals or else they would never make them.

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11-21-2012, 06:08 PM
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No part of the canes want to relieve themselves of Skinner and to be truthful, I don't really want him. He is a very talented young man but I think we need more of a Getzlaf/Pavelski type of center. A big play making body to make space... well, force space so Kessel and Lupul can do there thing.

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11-21-2012, 06:43 PM
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You like overpaying?
Which trade or signing did you feel I overpayed for? Or did you find I overpayed on everything?

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Just wondering if your quote is implying the Leafs need to "fleece" the Canes to make a trade out of this?

My thought was more along the lines: If the leafs have a good young core, and the Canes have a good young core, why not make a trade to progress both sides to fill in needed gaps?

It is possible for a trade to favour both sides no?
Not all trades need to have a loser. I would like to think GMs have a similar mind frame when it comes to making deals or else they would never make them.
If they are trading Skinner, the Leafs are giving up far too much to get him. Not only do the Leafs not do it, but the Canes aren't going to do it. Especially if the Staal's want to play on the same line.

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I disagree, the "current" accepted centre (Bozak) is 6'1", Skinner is 5'11" and they weigh the same (Skinner is actually listed at 200lbs Bozak 195llbs).

Basically you haven't sacrificed much in the way of strength, and added ELITE talent and a lot more points.
And Kessel is 6'0" and 200 lbs. Having size is only part of the puzzle. Skinner players very much of a Kessel'esque game (soft speedy sniper), where Bozak actually puts his size to use, does a lot of the dirty work, and is more of a playmaker.

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11-21-2012, 07:08 PM
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Trade #2
To Toronto - Niklas Hjalmarsson
To Chicago - Tim Connolly + Ben Scrivens + Greg McKegg
Downgrades Hawks D , Connolly is expensive and worthless at this point in value , Scrivens is not an improvement on Hawks goalie situation

McKegg is not anthing special ,, Would be buried behind several Hawk prospects in system

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11-21-2012, 07:09 PM
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Skinner is suited perfectly on the Wing. Expect him to play with The Staal's maybe.

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11-21-2012, 07:25 PM
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Downgrades Hawks D , Connolly is expensive and worthless at this point in value , Scrivens is not an improvement on Hawks goalie situation

McKegg is not anthing special ,, Would be buried behind several Hawk prospects in system
Understandable.

Leafs could use a #3-4 defense first type because they can't split Gunnarsson in two.

I attempted to find pieces that would fit Chicago's needs(2C, Goaltending) and I remember Hjalmarsson's name hitting the rumour mill in the off-season. Connolly would be a stop-gap center for the 2nd line, or he could be resigned at a much smaller amount. McKegg is our 2nd best center prospect, he has top-6 center upside, he could potentially be the 2nd line center you're searching for. Scrivens has proven himself to be to good for the AHL and was going to battle with James Reimer for the #1 goaltending position. He could attempt to do the same with Crawford in Chicago.

Rarely do two teams fanbases agree on a trade through HF. Atleast I looked at your needs and attempted to fill them. I may have thrown in Colborne but as you can see he was needed for another fantasy deal.


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11-21-2012, 09:42 PM
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Downgrades Hawks D , Connolly is expensive and worthless at this point in value , Scrivens is not an improvement on Hawks goalie situation

McKegg is not anthing special ,, Would be buried behind several Hawk prospects in system
I think Hjalmarsson would really round out our d-core in the next couple years.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Hjalmarsson
Gunnar-Holzer
Finn

That's a solid mix of defensive d-men and offensive skilled/two way d-men.

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11-21-2012, 09:46 PM
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Downgrades Hawks D , Connolly is expensive and worthless at this point in value , Scrivens is not an improvement on Hawks goalie situation

McKegg is not anthing special ,, Would be buried behind several Hawk prospects in system
Don't forget after the 2012-2013 season Connolly is going to be a UFA. Plus since there won't be a full season because of the lockout, the Blackahawks aren't going to have him on their salary cap for a long time.

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11-21-2012, 10:09 PM
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I think Hjalmarsson would really round out our d-core in the next couple years.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Hjalmarsson
Gunnar-Holzer
Finn

That's a solid mix of defensive d-men and offensive skilled/two way d-men.
I agree, then our Defense looks a lot better this season too (If we had one):

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Hjalmarsson
Liles - Holzer

I'd have Finn over Holzer in the future though (with Percy and Blacker pushing for a spot)

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11-22-2012, 08:25 AM
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I've been a little confused about the Hurricanes trade that landed Jordan Staal and what that means for Skinner.

I would have thought that Eric Staal Jordan Staal and Jeff Skinner being centres could lead to offers on Skinner.

What would the Leafs need to give up to land Jeff Skinner? Keeping in mind, the right trade could create:

JVR Skinner Kessel
Mac Grabo Kuli
blah blah blah blah blah.

Would you give up:
Bozak, Lupul/JVR and or Kadri plus picks? I would.
More than anything else I like the fact he's a young talented centre, from TO, played for the Rangers in junior which makes him a fan favourite immediately, and solves a huge need at centre.

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Jeff Skinner would be great. He also trains with Gary Roberts so maybe Kadri could learn something from him. JVR+Bozak straight up.

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11-22-2012, 08:44 AM
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Kadri+Bozak+Finn and 1st.(2013-2014 Leafs choice)
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11-22-2012, 09:26 AM
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I'd do it. 2014 draft pick but I'd also want Malone from them or Aittokallio.

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11-22-2012, 10:07 AM
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Value might be there, but I don't see the Avs being interested in a deal like that.

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Yea, why would they do that (Duchene) deal? Doesn't address any of their immediate needs.

Plus, we're talking about a player who is probably an untouchable there.

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Value might be there, but I don't see the Avs being interested in a deal like that.
Pretty much. Not to mention Avs were duchene's favourite team lol.

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If you realistically wanna get Duchene, it's gonna have to be something like Gardiner + Rielly + Bozak. Doubt if they'd still do it.

Basically, a massive overpayment.

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I think Hjalmarsson would really round out our d-core in the next couple years.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Hjalmarsson
Gunnar-Holzer
Finn

That's a solid mix of defensive d-men and offensive skilled/two way d-men.
I would trade Bozak for him. That's an idea that's come up a few times in the Trade forum. Fits a need for both teams. And Bozak longterm doesn't look like he'll be filling any needs for us. He's one of those not quite good enough offensively to be a top 6 C, not quite good enough defensively to be a 3rd line C type of guys, Matt Stajan 2.0.

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