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assuming there is no season where do the top ufa's go?

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11-21-2012, 05:29 PM
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Yeah, I doubt it would fit under the cap. I'd be happy to just get Perry.

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Is a heck of a forward group.
That is a sick forward group, wow.

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JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
Frattin-Kadri-Kulemin
JayMc-Steckel-Brown/Komarov

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Most of these will be resigned way before the season even ends.

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11-22-2012, 02:07 AM
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Outsiders perspective but Getzlaf is a must get for the Leafs if he hits free agency. Anaheim really needs to lock these guys up. Losing both is a potential death of the franchise moment after already losing Schultz and trading Gardiner.

The Canucks must re-sign Edler. If not, time for rapid rebuild Flyer style with even Kesler and Schneider on the block.

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11-22-2012, 01:09 PM
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I just dont see any reason why Getzlaf would pick Toronto over 29 other teams, if he was going to leave the ducks wouldnt it be for a contender

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11-22-2012, 01:22 PM
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I just dont see any reason why Getzlaf would pick Toronto over 29 other teams, if he was going to leave the ducks wouldnt it be for a contender
-Only so many can fit in his salary on their team. Its nice to say he should sign with team X but alot of teams can't fit him in due to the players they've already committed to

-Chance to play in the biggest hockey hotbed. I don't know Getzlaf personally but some players do like the pressure

-Toronto is on the upswing (everybody bashes them now but Chicago and LA also weren't winning anything a few short seasons before they won their cups)

-He has a previous relatiionship with all of our management

Not saying that the Leafs will get Getzlaf but there is lots of reasons why it could happen.

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11-22-2012, 01:30 PM
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-Only so many can fit in his salary on their team. Its nice to say he should sign with team X but alot of teams can't fit him in due to the players they've already committed to

-Chance to play in the biggest hockey hotbed. I don't know Getzlaf personally but some players do like the pressure

-Toronto is on the upswing (everybody bashes them now but Chicago and LA also weren't winning anything a few short seasons before they won their cups)

-He has a previous relatiionship with all of our management

Not saying that the Leafs will get Getzlaf but there is lots of reasons why it could happen.
He's also the kind of player the Leafs desperately need, so there's no reason to believe their offer to him wouldn't be one of the best on the table, if he's at all concerned with term/money. (I know Burke doesn't like retirement contracts, but the new CBA will likely level the playing field on that front by putting a more decisive limit on length).

Though I certainly hope the Leafs don't get him, since Getz-Kessel doesn't sound like it'll be fun to shut down, I definitely believe they'll be a top contender for him if the Ducks can't re-sign him.

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11-22-2012, 01:47 PM
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Getzlaf to the leafs is highly likely in UFA

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I just dont see any reason why Getzlaf would pick Toronto over 29 other teams, if he was going to leave the ducks wouldnt it be for a contender
Well it's easy to eliminate a bunch of teams from contention just based on the depth chart/cap issues. And if competitiveness is also an issue....you can lop off the basket case teams as well

Cross off....
  • Vancouver
  • LA
  • Pittsburgh
  • Carolina
  • Philadelphia
  • Tampa Bay
  • Colorado
  • NYI
  • San Jose
  • Ottawa

Teams that need him the most in UFA (in order):
  • Anaheim
  • Toronto
  • Phoenix
  • Calgary
  • Buffalo
  • St Louis (I believe they have the best potential to trade for him if the season actually goes ahead and Anaheim can't resign him)
  • Montreal
  • Winnipeg
  • Detroit
  • Dallas
  • Edmonton
  • Columbus
So to me....
Anaheim, Toronto, St Louis, Detroit, Dallas, and Edmonton are the most likely, in that order for UFA

In a trade (combination of assets that are appealing and the will to do a deal):St Louis, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Toronto


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11-22-2012, 01:57 PM
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JVR-Getzlaf-Perry
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
Frattin-Kadri-Kulemin
JayMc-Steckel-Brown/Komarov

Boom.
I the goalie situation is to be addressed, there won't be the cap space for both Perry and Lupul. getzlaf is a necessity for Toronto, Perry is a luxury. Also, where is Grabovski?

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11-22-2012, 05:34 PM
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Well it's easy to eliminate a bunch of teams from contention just based on the depth chart/cap issues. And if competitiveness is also an issue....you can lop off the basket case teams as well

Cross off....
  • Vancouver
  • LA
  • Pittsburgh
  • Carolina
  • Philadelphia
  • Tampa Bay
  • Colorado
  • NYI
  • San Jose
  • Ottawa

Teams that need him the most in UFA (in order):
  • Anaheim
  • Toronto
  • Phoenix
  • Calgary
  • Buffalo
  • St Louis (I believe they have the best potential to trade for him if the season actually goes ahead and Anaheim can't resign him)
  • Montreal
  • Winnipeg
  • Detroit
  • Dallas
  • Edmonton
  • Columbus
So to me....
Anaheim, Toronto, St Louis, Detroit, Dallas, and Edmonton are the most likely, in that order for UFA

In a trade (combination of assets that are appealing and the will to do a deal):St Louis, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Toronto
if he hits ufa i think he's as good as gone

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11-22-2012, 06:18 PM
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if he hits ufa i think he's as good as gone
Based on what?

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11-22-2012, 06:33 PM
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Based on what?
that fact that teams will line up to pay him whatever he wants. Couple that with the fact that the ducks have lost some pretty big peices in lupul, gardiner, schultz, vishnosky over the last couple of years, haven't replaced anything they lost and will also lose selanne, koviu for sure and possibly hiller in the year or 2 and it can't be denied the ducks are crumbling a little bit.

I think he's out if he hits ufa.

Not to mention bobby Ryan seems to always be on the block

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11-22-2012, 06:35 PM
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Most of these will be resigned way before the season even ends.
not if there is no season

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11-22-2012, 06:42 PM
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that fact that teams will line up to pay him whatever he wants. Couple that with the fact that the ducks have lost some pretty big peices in lupul, gardiner, schultz, vishnosky over the last couple of years, haven't replaced anything they lost and will also lose selanne, koviu for sure and possibly hiller in the year or 2 and it can't be denied the ducks are crumbling a little bit.

I think he's out if he hits ufa.

Not to mention bobby Ryan seems to always be on the block


Lupul was a big piece in Toronto. He definitely wasn't that in Anaheim. That's pure revisionism on your part.

The other two never played a game with our organization at any level. Gardiner became expendable after landing Fowler. Schultz is the only genuine loss there, but we also added Lindholm, and part of the reason why we could afford to trade Gardiner was Vatanen. So we're back to having two near-NHL defensemen like we had before.

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Lupul was a big piece in Toronto. He definitely wasn't that in Anaheim. That's pure revisionism on your part.

The other two never played a game with our organization at any level. Gardiner became expendable after landing Fowler. Schultz is the only genuine loss there, but we also added Lindholm, and part of the reason why we could afford to trade Gardiner was Vatanen. So we're back to having two near-NHL defensemen like we had before.
take a look back at the trade when it was made. Duck fans were PISSED gardiner went yes he was and is a big loss.

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take a look back at the trade when it was made. Duck fans were PISSED gardiner went yes he was and is a big loss.
They were pissed because we overpaid, not because we lost our future.

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that fact that teams will line up to pay him whatever he wants. Couple that with the fact that the ducks have lost some pretty big peices in lupul, gardiner, schultz, vishnosky over the last couple of years, haven't replaced anything they lost and will also lose selanne, koviu for sure and possibly hiller in the year or 2 and it can't be denied the ducks are crumbling a little bit.

I think he's out if he hits ufa.

Not to mention bobby Ryan seems to always be on the block
You could have said "A hunch" and it would have been a better reason then what you just said.

You have no clue why he would stay or leave. I can sit here and list 20 reasons why he loves Anaheim but guess what, its a hunch.

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Lupul was a big piece in Toronto. He definitely wasn't that in Anaheim. That's pure revisionism on your part.

The other two never played a game with our organization at any level. Gardiner became expendable after landing Fowler. Schultz is the only genuine loss there, but we also added Lindholm, and part of the reason why we could afford to trade Gardiner was Vatanen. So we're back to having two near-NHL defensemen like we had before.
Denial much?

Just because you have Vatanen, Fowler and Lindholm doesn't mean losing Gardiner and Schultz for nothing doesn't matter. If you resigned Beauch, in a few years that could of been the best d-corp in the league. Even if Gardiner was "expendable" doesn't mean you trade him along with a PPG winger for nothing.


Gardiner, Lupul, Carlyle, Brown. Perry and Getz come on over and join the dark side.

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They were pissed because we overpaid, not because we lost our future.
Toronto/Montreal fans catch a lot of crap on this website for being dillusional, but you're giving them a real run for their money.

You need to chill out and take off the homer glasses.

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Toronto/Montreal fans catch a lot of crap on this website for being dillusional, but you're giving them a real run for their money.

You need to chill out and take off the homer glasses.
Elaborate and show your work.

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Denial much?

Just because you have Vatanen, Fowler and Lindholm doesn't mean losing Gardiner and Schultz for nothing doesn't matter. If you resigned Beauch, in a few years that could of been the best d-corp in the league. Even if Gardiner was "expendable" doesn't mean you trade him along with a PPG winger for nothing.

Gardiner, Lupul, Carlyle, Brown. Perry and Getz come on over and join the dark side.
We didn't lose Gardiner for "nothing". Schultz was the one lost without any return.

PPG winger? He wasn't a ppg winger when we traded him. He wasn't even that when we traded FOR him.

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We didn't lose Gardiner for "nothing". Schultz was the one lost without any return.

PPG winger? He wasn't a ppg winger when we traded him. He wasn't even that when we traded FOR him.
Technically it wasn't "nothing" but it was for Beauchemin. Someone you could of just resigned. Anaheim fans can sometimes sound like Calgary fans who say Phaneuf wasn't wanted so they traded him for superstars Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman, Ian White and Jamal Mayers.

And the pick we traded for Kessel wasn't a 70 point center/winger at the time, but he turned out to be. Doesn't make the loss any better.

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You could have said "A hunch" and it would have been a better reason then what you just said.

You have no clue why he would stay or leave. I can sit here and list 20 reasons why he loves Anaheim but guess what, its a hunch.
so you have nothing to discredit me then?

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This is a very, very nice FA crop.

Minnesota could be poised to become a SC favorite. I'm thinking Bouchard will resign here, he's been the face of our franchise along with Koivu and Gaborik (before he left), and he'll probably finish his career here. With Cullen likely retiring, that frees up 3.5m, Backstrom might get a one or two year deal for 4m-5m/year, why lose our best goalie when we're in win now mode? I can see us maybe pursuing a center like Antropov, Zubrus, or Filppula to replace Cullen, but Fletcher will be coming hard after Ds like Leipold and Edler especially. Don't know about Edler signing with a major division rival though.

McDonagh is an RFA this offseason, a 1st and 3rd wouldn't be too much to give up, and I'm sure he'd like to come home to Minnesota. Sather is known for hard balling RFAs. He'll probably match though.

Our 2013/2014 lineup would be pretty stacked:

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Bouchard-Granlund-Setoguchi/Coyle
Zucker-Zubrus/Antropov/Filppula/-Coyle/Setoguchi
Konopka-Brodziak-Clutterbuck
Kassian-Powe-Mitchell

Suter-Gilbert
Leipold/Edler-Spurgeon
Scandella-Falk/Stoner (maybe Dumba?)

Backstrom
Harding
Hackett

Coyle would make Seto expendable, so I'm guessing Seto will be traded for an upgrade down the right D side.

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Iginla, Jarome R CGY 35 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA) Resigns

Semin, Alexander R CAR 28 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA) Resigns

Timonen, Kimmo D PHI 37 $6,333,333 2013 (UFA) Resigns

Elias, Patrik C NJD 36 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Dallas

Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 34 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA) goes to CHI

Visnovsky, Lubomir D NYI 36 $5,600,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Boston

Gonchar, Sergei D OTT 38 $5,500,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Oilers

Getzlaf, Ryan C ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA) goes to CGY

Perry, Corey R ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Det

Thomas, Tim G BOS 38 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA) Retires

Ribeiro, Mike C WAS 32 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA) Resigns

Alfredsson, Daniel R OTT 39 $4,875,000 2013 (UFA) retires or Resigns

Connolly, Tim C TOR 31 $4,750,000 2013 (UFA) no one wants him

McDonald, Andy C STL 35 $4,700,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Dallas

Jagr, Jaromir R DAL 40 $4,550,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Pit

Selanne, Teemu R ANA 42 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA) retires

Hainsey, Ron D WIN 31 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA) goes to anaheim

Lupul, Joffrey L TOR 29 $4,250,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Morrow, Brenden L DAL 33 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Phi

Streit, Mark D NYI 34 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Nashville

Bouchard, Pierre-Marc R MIN 28 $4,080,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Montreal

Antropov, Nik C WIN 32 $4,062,500 2013 (UFA) goes to Anaheim

Regehr, Robyn D BUF 32 $4,020,000 2013 (UFA) goes to San jose

Horton, Nathan R BOS 27 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Roy, Derek C DAL 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Whitney, Ryan D EDM 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Zidlicky, Marek D NJD 35 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Tor

Zajac, Travis C NJD 27 $3,887,500 2013 (UFA) Resigns

Koivu, Saku C ANA 37 $3,800,000 2013 (UFA) resigns or MONT or Retire

Cervenka, Roman C CGY 26 $3,775,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Khabibulin, Nikolai G EDM 39 $3,750,000 2013 (UFA) Retires

Clowe, Ryane L SAN 30 $3,625,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Cullen, Matt C MIN 36 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Pit

Gagne, Simon L LAK 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA) goes to CAR

Hamrlik, Roman D WAS 38 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Jets

Ryder, Michael R DAL 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Lombardi, Matthew C TOR 30 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)goes to Van

Zubrus, Dainius C NJD 34 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Ottawa

Scuderi, Rob D LAK 33 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA) goes to Florida

Edler, Alexander D VAN 26 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

MacArthur, Clarke L TOR 27 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA) NYI

Penner, Dustin L LAK 30 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA) San jose

Weiss, Stephen C FLA 29 $3,100,000 2013 (UFA) Buffalo

Armstrong, Colby R MTL 29 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA) Colorado

Filppula, Valtteri L DET 28 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA) resigns

Leopold, Jordan D BUF 32 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA) Minnesota

Lydman, Toni D ANA 35 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA) Dallas

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