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11-22-2012, 06:05 PM
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Why is Bingo's offence so anemic?

I just checked the AHL.com top scorers and our top scorer, Jakob Silfverberg, currently sits at #124 in the league... on page friggin' seven. I expected at least one Senator in the top forty.

Where is our offence? It might be simply spread out evenly but where are our offensive stars? No one is sticking out and taking charge. Is it because we have a young, inexperienced team? Is it because we have an inexperienced coach? Is it the system in play? Are we playing very defense-first like the parent team did under Jacques Martin? Doesn't appear so from the games I've watched but we do seem very disorganized. Is it because there hasn't been enough time yet for the players to adapt to the system? Is it because many of our forwards have to adapt to North-American sized ice? A combo of all this?

It's not supposed to be for lack of talent but the execution seriously doesn't yield the offensive results expected so far. I know it's early in the season but, with no NHL, I need something...

Yes, I'm an old-school run and gun fan who would prefer to see our teams win 8-7 rather than 3-2, and therefore behind the times.


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The PP sucks.

Like seriously. They don't look like they know how to enter the zone as soon as they go a man up.

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New coach, very new team - that's what I think it is. Most of these guys have never played together, throw in a coach who's very unfamiliar with everyone and it's gonna take 20 ish games for them to get a good feel.

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Don't forget that since it is early, it also means there is a very low variance in goal scorers at the moment. I haven't looked, but I'm guessing there are pages and pages of guys that have the same number of goals atm.

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The Sens prospect pool is probably not nearly so talented as many sens fans convinced themselves it was.

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11-22-2012, 08:25 PM
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The Sens prospect pool is probably not nearly so talented as many sens fans convinced themselves it was.

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Bingo is 3rd last in the conference for GF but 5th best in GA.

It's like Richardson was a d-man and believes in defense.

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Bingo is 3rd last in the conference for GF but 5th best in GA.

It's like Richardson was a d-man and believes in defense.
Or... RELEASE DA LEHNER.

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Bingo is 3rd last in the conference for GF but 5th best in GA.

It's like Richardson was a d-man and believes in defense.
Actually, it's more because Lehner has been playing out of his mind this season.

The defensive coverage this season so far has been atrocious.

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11-22-2012, 08:59 PM
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Actually, it's more because Lehner has been playing out of his mind this season.

The defensive coverage this season so far has been atrocious.
Yeah I know I was just being a smartass. Outshot 48-25 tonight but the Big Ben finally stood tall.

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Silf's 2 points tonight brought him up to 106. If he did it again, he'd be top 35 or so in the league. It's so early in the season that the difference doesn't say that much.

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11-22-2012, 10:25 PM
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I just checked the AHL.com top scorers and our top scorer, Jakob Silfverberg, currently sits at #124 in the league... on page friggin' seven. I expected at least one Senator in the top forty.

Where is our offence? It might be simply spread out evenly but where are our offensive stars? No one is sticking out and taking charge. Is it because we have a young, inexperienced team? Is it because we have an inexperienced coach? Is it the system in play? Are we playing very defense-first like the parent team did under Jacques Martin? Doesn't appear so from the games I've watched but we do seem very disorganized. Is it because there hasn't been enough time yet for the players to adapt to the system? Is it because many of our forwards have to adapt to North-American sized ice? A combo of all this?

It's not supposed to be for lack of talent but the execution seriously doesn't yield the offensive results expected so far. I know it's early in the season but, with no NHL, I need something...

Yes, I'm an old-school run and gun fan who would prefer to see our teams win 8-7 rather than 3-2, and therefore behind the times.
I was going to answer your question but you have all the answers in the your own post... That's not fair!

Quick summary :

- Luke Richardson : 1st ever gig as a head coach
- PP sucks
- Cowen and Da Costa injured
- Youngest team in the AHL : lot of pro inexperience
- Zibanejad and Silfverberg still adjusting to the NA game/ice
- Lack of chemistry : too many new players playing together for the 1st time
- Too much talent spread...
There's about 9-10 guys who could have a decent production, but realistically they won't have all 50 pts and more (example : Jessiman will be a victim of the depht. He had 27 goals and 44 pts in 67 games last year)


PS : Team played a bit less games than others... Offense is very spread out, currently at 2.64 goals per game (which is more than the NHL average), will improve as we move forward


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Because Lehner can't play forward.

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11-22-2012, 10:59 PM
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The Sens prospect pool is probably not nearly so talented as many sens fans convinced themselves it was.
Is it that or is it that most people are forgetting that not all top prospects dominate at young ages.

It's the youngest team in the AHL and pretty mediocre and experienced at center. And without Cowen. Even good teams go through scoring droubts, don't think we can take much from this until the season goes on.

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About sums it up here..

“This game was my best so far in Binghamton,” said Silfverberg, who admits he is still adjusting to the North American rinks after playing in the bigger rinks in Europe. “For me it felt nice to have a couple points and get the win. Every game I learn something and feel more and more comfortable out there.”

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Well first off, its a really small sample size to go off of. 2nd and the biggest issue is the breakout. Be it a lack of talent on D or the system, the puck does not exit the zone in a timely fashion. That's very evident on reason #3 which is the PP. Its not very good considering the talent available and they have a tough time gaining the zone.

All in all, I don't see any big issues given the rookie status of the majority of the players and coach on this team. Its coming. I believe Bingo have gone something like 4-0-1 lately with more scoring after a slump. I'll look up the numbers later.

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Silfverberg is not satisfied by only winning. He wants to contribute to the win at all costs. Once he gets more accustomed to the game he won't stop.

2 amazing plays on both the set up and the goal. He pulled away nicely on that break showing his footwork improvement.

Look for Silfverberg to become fully established once PUT ON A LINE WITH ****IN STONE.

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Silfverberg is not satisfied by only winning. He wants to contribute to the win at all costs. Once he gets more accustomed to the game he won't stop.

2 amazing plays on both the set up and the goal. He pulled away nicely on that break showing his footwork improvement.

Look for Silfverberg to become fully established once PUT ON A LINE WITH ****IN STONE.
But they're both RWs

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The Sens prospect pool is probably not nearly so talented as many sens fans convinced themselves it was.
a 14 game sample size is enough to show this?

Remember, this is a lot of our top prospects first pro games. It's only been 14 games and they're starting to look a lot better. When you have a group of players who are playing their first pro season, it's going to be hard on a lot of them. You have to give them time to develop their game, adjust and then start producing. Throughout all of this, since they're young, they have a lot of pressure on themselves, get down and lose confidence when they aren't producing in those first 14 games.

I wouldn't be too worried. The team is getting better. We'll start seeing Zibanejad put the puck in the net more often soon. Same with Stone.

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is what I'd do at this point


PS : The B-Sens are on a 4 games winning streak and have scored 15 goals (3.75 goals per game), seems like an odd moment for this thread. Maybe they are just starting to figure things out

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The Sens prospect pool is probably not nearly so talented as many sens fans convinced themselves it was.
This... Some of our guys will pan into solid players but a bunch will fall into obscurity.

I've been watching hockey for a while... And have seen many fanbases have there dreams crushed after pimping there incredibly sick prospect pool.

It happens all the time... That's just a fact.

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This... Some of our guys will pan into solid players but a bunch will fall into obscurity.

I've been watching hockey for a while... And have seen many fanbases have there dreams crushed after pimping there incredibly sick prospect pool.

It happens all the time... That's just a fact.
How good did people think the pool was/is?

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This... Some of our guys will pan into solid players but a bunch will fall into obscurity.

I've been watching hockey for a while... And have seen many fanbases have there dreams crushed after pimping there incredibly sick prospect pool.

It happens all the time... That's just a fact.
Like Louie Caporusso Fuhrsie?

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How good did people think the pool was/is?
Most of our prospects will bust, every indication and history would suggest. That's just the way things work.

That being said, one can certainly improve the chances of getting better than average outcome out of the picks, and I believe Sens have a pretty good scouting department to scew odds in our favour.

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This... Some of our guys will pan into solid players but a bunch will fall into obscurity.

I've been watching hockey for a while... And have seen many fanbases have there dreams crushed after pimping there incredibly sick prospect pool.

It happens all the time... That's just a fact.
Yeah. But what do fans of teams that have fantastic prospect pools think?

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