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11-22-2012, 04:30 PM
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I agree I think edler should be our number one target, our offence from the backend would be ridiculous. Id hope to see a defence of
Cowen-karlsson
Edler-ceci
Wiercoch(sp?)-boro
In a few years

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Win draft lottery
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But you're missing the ????? phase. There's always gotta be a ????? phase.

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I agree I think edler should be our number one target, our offence from the backend would be ridiculous. Id hope to see a defence of
Cowen-karlsson
Edler-ceci
Wiercoch(sp?)-boro
In a few years
Weircioch.

Get used to it, you will be seeing it a lot in the coming seasons

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Weircioch.

Get used to it, you will be seeing it a lot in the coming seasons
Wiercioch.

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Wiercioch.
I typed it in wikipedia just to make sure.... did not bother following the redirect. fail me.

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Could see the Leafs landing both. They've got the cap space to sign them and can offer a chance to re-unite with the coach and GM they won the Cup with.
Oh God, I'm scared that will happen now.

Perry - Getzlaf - Kessel
They would tear it up...

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Oh God, I'm scared that will happen now.

Perry - Getzlaf - Kessel
They would tear it up...
Meh there's only one puck on the ice, plus they haven't signed a big-name free agent in a while no?

As for the OP, no need to rush with FA signings, the team isn't a contender at the moment. Be patient, let the kids grow and in four to six years we should be good to go, THEN start making trades/signings.

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-assuming lehner continues to be lights-out in bingo, we move anderson for a scoring winger or defenceman and going with lehner-bishop
Stand in the corner and have a good hard think...

No, just no. Toronto had that mentality, look at how **** their goaltending is...

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11-22-2012, 07:53 PM
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Meh there's only one puck on the ice, plus they haven't signed a big-name free agent in a while no?

As for the OP, no need to rush with FA signings, the team isn't a contender at the moment. Be patient, let the kids grow and in four to six years we should be good to go, THEN start making trades/signings.
Four to six years!? Never!

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Meh there's only one puck on the ice, plus they haven't signed a big-name free agent in a while no?

As for the OP, no need to rush with FA signings, the team isn't a contender at the moment. Be patient, let the kids grow and in four to six years we should be good to go, THEN start making trades/signings.
Wasn't the plan 2 years ago was to have a 3-5 year rebuild? So we should be 1-3 years from being legitimate cup contenders, or at least conference contenders.

Losing Alfie is going to hurt, so if we can pick up a big name UFA to fill the void and show the kids how to get things done then we need to pull the trigger.

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11-22-2012, 09:09 PM
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If we sign one of Perry/Edler. I'll kiss Murray.

Michalek-Spezza-Perry
Silfverberg-Turris-Who gives a ****

or

Edler-Karlsson
Cowen-Ceci
Wiercioch-Who gives a flying ****

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11-22-2012, 09:12 PM
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You guys need to understanding that we are in the stage of the rebuild where we are looking to acquire top talents to patch everything up.

Silfverberg/Zibanejad/Noesen/Puempel/Petersson/Hoffman/Stone

Cowen/Ceci/Wiercioch/Boro

Lehner/Brassard/Daggerguy

Our future is bright in every position when it comes to prospects. You let them develop in the A and bring in talent if you get the chance.

Murray tried to go hard after Nash and Schultz and one NMC move away or slip up by Edmonton and we would have had both. We would be talking about being contenders next year if anything.

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11-23-2012, 07:01 AM
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You guys need to understanding that we are in the stage of the rebuild where we are looking to acquire top talents to patch everything up.

Silfverberg/Zibanejad/Noesen/Puempel/Petersson/Hoffman/Stone

Cowen/Ceci/Wiercioch/Boro

Lehner/Brassard/Daggerguy

Our future is bright in every position when it comes to prospects. You let them develop in the A and bring in talent if you get the chance.

Murray tried to go hard after Nash and Schultz and one NMC move away or slip up by Edmonton and we would have had both. We would be talking about being contenders next year if anything.
First you talk about being patient with our prospects and then you say that if we package some prospects for a big name and get one good signing we're contenders?

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11-23-2012, 03:53 PM
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First step, create space for prospects and/ or free agents.
Alfie: retires
Regin: let him walk
Lattendresse: likely let him walk
Condra: try and trade him at the draft, otherwise let him walk
Daugavins: same as Condra
Gonchar: let him walk
Lundin: let him walk


From there, I see six forward prospects and four defencemen prospects who are all close and could push for a spot next season, they are:

Forwards: Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg, Noesen, Hoffman and Dziurzynski

Defencemen: Boroweicki, Gryba, Wiercioch and Ceci

The performance of these ten players this season, will be an indication of how many spots to potentially leave open for them.

Next step, UFA targets

Forwards:
Iginla, Perry, Morrow, Horton, Clowe, Clarkson

Defencemen: Regehr, Edler, Murray

Next step, assuming that we sign Perry and one other forward UFA on the list above, or we sign Perry and two or three forward prospects have stand out seasons, trade Michalek. Michalek is a little too injury prone and it is just a matter of time before he gets injured again and his play begins to regress. Ideally we trade him for someone like Zach Bogosian.

That would leave us with a lineup of:

Zibanejad-Spezza-Perry
Silfverberg-Turris-Stone
Dziurzynski-Smith-Neil
Greening-Hoffman/o'brien-Noesen/o'brien

Cowen-Karlsson
Bogosian/Edler/Regehr-Metho
Boroweicki/Gryba/Wiercioch-Phillips

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11-23-2012, 05:24 PM
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First step, create space for prospects and/ or free agents.
Alfie: retires
Regin: let him walk
Lattendresse: likely let him walk
Condra: try and trade him at the draft, otherwise let him walk
Daugavins: same as Condra
Gonchar: let him walk
Lundin: let him walk


From there, I see six forward prospects and four defencemen prospects who are all close and could push for a spot next season, they are:

Forwards: Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg, Noesen, Hoffman and Dziurzynski

Defencemen: Boroweicki, Gryba, Wiercioch and Ceci

The performance of these ten players this season, will be an indication of how many spots to potentially leave open for them.
Putting too much hope on the rookies.

Most still need more time before they get a call up, let alone thrust into the starting line-up.

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Next step, UFA targets

Forwards:
Iginla, Perry, Morrow, Horton, Clowe, Clarkson

Defencemen: Regehr, Edler, Murray

Next step, assuming that we sign Perry and one other forward UFA on the list above, or we sign Perry and two or three forward prospects have stand out seasons, trade Michalek. Michalek is a little too injury prone and it is just a matter of time before he gets injured again and his play begins to regress. Ideally we trade him for someone like Zach Bogosian.
Iginla will only sign with Calgary or a contender
Morrow will stay in Dallas
Horton. You want to trade Michalek because he is "injury prone" but you want to sign Horton?
Clarkson will be resigned by NJ or overpaid
Murray and Regehr are not a good fit.

Wpg will not trade Bogosian. Especially for an "injury proned" forward.


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That would leave us with a lineup of:

Zibanejad-Spezza-Perry
Silfverberg-Turris-Stone
Dziurzynski-Smith-Neil
Greening-Hoffman/o'brien-Noesen/o'brien

Cowen-Karlsson
Bogosian/Edler/Regehr-Metho
Boroweicki/Gryba/Wiercioch-Phillips

You have 3 rookies in our top 6. Dangerous.
Another 3 in our bottom 6.


We should go hard after Edler and Perry.
We can get a guy like Brad Richardson for a good price to add some vet leadership for our bottom 6.

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Corey Perry ($6.300m)
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Brad Richardson ($2.000m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.638m) / Mark Stone ($0.873m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alex Edler ($6.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Marc Methot ($3.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)


SALARY CAP: $60,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,535,833; BONUSES: $1,570,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $8,084,167

This is with the prediction of the salary cap going down to $60m

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11-23-2012, 06:11 PM
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I'd love me some Backstrom (G)!

With the roster mentioned above, I'd give Ceci a try by then.

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First you talk about being patient with our prospects and then you say that if we package some prospects for a big name and get one good signing we're contenders?
Oh no, no. You misunderstood me my good man. When I mean acquire I mean via Free agency. I was just referring to people who claim we need to wait a couple more years. We don't need to wait. We have all the prospects in the system that can last us for a good while in terms of continued help in case of injuries and depth. All we need now is top-end talent that'll boost us up now while our prospects develop a bit more so in the future we can fill in from within or trade if we have other needs etc...

Basically I'm just saying don't think Murray will not chase after a guy like Edler and Perry because this year he tried going after Nash and Schultz and just barely lost both of em.

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I'd love me some Backstrom (G)!

With the roster mentioned above, I'd give Ceci a try by then.
Same. I think in 2 years Ceci will be on the roster. Murray said expect to see him on the roster in a couple of years and said could challenge as soon as this year.

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11-23-2012, 07:18 PM
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They are.

That's actually something you negotiate into your settlement once you *do* have a CBA again. You can toll the contracts or burn a year off them. But you can't do both.

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Edler with one of Alfie's sons. We got dis.
haha great. I'd personally give my left nut to have Edler on this team

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I agree I think edler should be our number one target, our offence from the backend would be ridiculous. Id hope to see a defence of
Cowen-karlsson
Edler-ceci
Wiercoch(sp?)-boro
In a few years
Edler-Karlsson
Cowen-Ceci
Wiercioch-Methot
Borowiecki/Claesson/Blood

That defense would be just too good. Keep the Swedes together, Edler is or will soon be a top-10 D-man in the league.

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Meh there's only one puck on the ice, plus they haven't signed a big-name free agent in a while no?

As for the OP, no need to rush with FA signings, the team isn't a contender at the moment. Be patient, let the kids grow and in four to six years we should be good to go, THEN start making trades/signings.
The "turnovers" are really not as long as before

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Putting too much hope on the rookies.

Most still need more time before they get a call up, let alone thrust into the starting line-up.
I agree, but I did state that leaving those spots open is entirely contingent on their performances this season. So the organization can assess Stone, Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Dziurzynski and Noesen play this season and determine if they feel that they are ready to take on an NHL role.

IMO Stone, Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Dziurzynski and Hoffman should all be ready to make the jump by next season. But there play this season will end up determining that.



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have 3 rookies in our top 6. Dangerous.
Another 3 in our bottom 6.
It is a rebuild and they will have to go through some growing pains at some point. Look how many rookies are playing in Bingo this season, the Murray's are very willing to take a risk on having a very young team.


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should go hard after Edler and Perry.
We can get a guy like Brad Richardson for a good price to add some vet leadership for our bottom 6.

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Corey Perry ($6.300m)
Milan Michalek ($4.333m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.744m)
Colin Greening ($0.817m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Brad Richardson ($2.000m) / Jim O'Brien ($0.638m) / Mark Stone ($0.873m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alex Edler ($6.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Marc Methot ($3.000m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($0.875m)
GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
Robin Lehner ($0.870m)


SALARY CAP: $60,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,535,833; BONUSES: $1,570,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $8,084,167

This is with the prediction of the salary cap going down to $60m
I would switch Richardson with Dziurzynski, but other than that I like your lineup.

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11-23-2012, 10:39 PM
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Wasn't the plan 2 years ago was to have a 3-5 year rebuild? So we should be 1-3 years from being legitimate cup contenders, or at least conference contenders.

Losing Alfie is going to hurt, so if we can pick up a big name UFA to fill the void and show the kids how to get things done then we need to pull the trigger.
Well said.

I also think that Alfie's replacement needs to bring an elite level of leadership to augment the path and development of the team. I would love to acquire Jerome Iginla.

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Rebuild phase 2? This season clear out michalek, Neil and Andy for another set of first rounders. Move Alfie if he wants to go. Load up on ufas. Wait two more years to be a contender with two solid cohorts of young talent and a few legit stars?

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Goof grief. We have no idea if any of our rookies are going to pan out. Ceci is 3 years away minimum, our top defensive rookie/sophomore is out for the year, Wiercoch is still in rebuild mode after his injury...and we have no idea if Ziggy and Silv can adjust to the North American game.

Last year Karlsson had a dream season, we had great goaltending for the first time in years, Alfie & Spezza were relatively healthy...and we still barely squeaked into the playoffs with the 8th seed.

The odds are pretty damned good that Toronto (at the very least) will be better, along with the Islanders and Canes. There's a very good chance we won't make the playoffs this year (or whenever we get back to playing).

Why get saddled with a handful of free agent contracts now? Why not wait for at least another year to see what's going to happen? We don't even know if Alfie will be back this season (if the lockout drags further).

We just need to wait this out a little longer. Give the kids a year to see how they grow in the NHL, then evaulate what we need and make informed decisions from there.

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