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11-23-2012, 03:50 PM
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I have to agree with the classless Subban thing. He's just a kid with a bit of attitude. And we've all seen him check on guys that he caught with clean hard hits to make sure they are ok. I don't see how that's classless.
Have to agree with this as well.

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11-23-2012, 03:50 PM
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The Sedins being soft is way off the mark. They take a ton of abuse but continue to stay in the line-up and put up big points. Couple of the toughest players in the league.

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11-23-2012, 03:53 PM
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Kovalchuk isn't the selfish puck hog who won't play a lick of defense everyone outside of NJ/ATL thinks he is.
His defensive game and overall play has developed ever since he was traded from ATL to NJ. He is playing a team game, and wasn't being relied for only offense (before Parise left). He has bought into the system.

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11-23-2012, 04:09 PM
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He had a total of 4 elbowin penalties his entire career and was only suspended once (and not even related to a check he threw)

just mindless Stevens bashing from what's likely a bitter rag fan
Wrong on both counts, not a Rangers fan and he was the biggest head hunter the NHL has ever seen, Matt Cooke included. Or was hitting Paul Kariya 20 seconds after he passed the puck from the blind side a strong physical play?

This was his MO.

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11-23-2012, 04:15 PM
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Players are always titled or known to be something. Sakic had a wicked wrister. Scott Stevens was known for being physical. Ryan Callahan is a defensive specialist. But can you name some players who are always said to be something, when really that isn't true, or they have other aspects much better. I'll start with my own team. A lot of people call Matt Duchene a playmaker and say he needs a linemate he can feed the puck to. While he can make a great pass, I think he is much more of a goal scorer than playmaker.

Let's see some more examples while we desperately wait for hockey to come back to us.
That one. Ryan Callahan is not a defensive specialist. He's not a guy that you can send out to shut down an opposing team's best players. He's just a good shot blocker and penalty killer who hits a lot. Patrice Bergeron is a much better "defensive specialist" (who also happens to be better offensively).

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11-23-2012, 04:17 PM
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Wrong on both counts, not a Rangers fan and he was the biggest head hunter the NHL has ever seen, Matt Cooke included. Or was hitting Paul Kariya 20 seconds after he passed the puck from the blind side a strong physical play?

This was his MO.
Stevens played in a time where the 'MO' was to keep your head up or you'll get smoked. His hits would be heavy suspensions now but considering they were just on the edge at the time it's hard to say they were dirty if they were within the rules.

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11-23-2012, 04:20 PM
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Once saw Richard Matvichuk described as a "hard hitting, take no prisoners defenseman" in a thread on the polls page. The reality is, Matvichuk was a human highlight reel for getting the worst in any physical battle of any kind.

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11-23-2012, 04:27 PM
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Ryan Kesler scored 40 goals in 2011 while being utilized almost entirely in a shutdown role en-route to the Selke.

In reality, however, he wasn't a checking forward until Malhotra's eye injury (8th in team forward QoC), but that was lost on the voting populace in the midst of Kesler's reputation, offensive breakout and the fact that he was still a big part of Vancouver's PK.

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11-23-2012, 04:33 PM
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Stevens played in a time where the 'MO' was to keep your head up or you'll get smoked. His hits would be heavy suspensions now but considering they were just on the edge at the time it's hard to say they were dirty if they were within the rules.
Myth. Not true at all. Guys running other guys was far less common during Stevens' day than now. The year before Shanahan got the discipline gig, it seemed like a guy was being injured on an open-ice hit in each and every game. It was never like that during Stevens' career.

The reason it was never like that is that the penalties for seeking extreme retribution used to be basically nothing. It wasn't out of the ordinary for Rich Pilon to start a stick fight with Mario Lemieux at the end of the game over something Ulf Samuelsson did in the first period. Or for gilmour to karate kick Kasparaitis in the back of the knee over a hipcheck while the Leafs' goon was beating an uninvolved, unwilling Josef Beranek within an inch of his life in the corner. Or for Bob Probert to beat up the goalie then sucker some guy who was being held down by a referee because the guy got a little saucy with Steve Yzerman. You never saw something as extreme as what Trevor Gillies did to Eric Tangradi, but something like the KeitheElbow on Sedin was virtually guaranteed to happen if Sedin hit a former norris winner in the face late.

Result of this is there were ever only about 4 or 5 guys in the league at the same time who would have the balls to, for instance, throw the Aaron Rome hit that permanently screwed up Nathan Horton. The cost of throwing a hit like that used to be really, really high. The guys who were willing to risk paying that price were countable (Kasparaitis, Samuelsson, Suter, Stevens, Marchment, maybe Tinordi...couple others).

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11-23-2012, 04:39 PM
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I've heard Johan Franzen described as a power forward, which he isn't in it's truest definition. He's only described as such due to his size.

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The guys who were willing to risk paying that price were countable (Kasparaitis, Samuelsson, Suter, Stevens, Marchment, maybe Tinordi...couple others).
Hatcher, Ludwig, Blake, Jovo, Konstantinov, Pronger, and this is just off the top of my head. And we're just talking DPE, not historically fearsome hitters like Robinson and Potvin.

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11-23-2012, 04:59 PM
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Trent Yawney was be..... Nevermind

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11-23-2012, 05:56 PM
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Far from it, great contribution by the way.

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11-23-2012, 05:58 PM
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Swag is twenty times worse than classless.
At least 30 times worse.

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The Sedins being soft is way off the mark. They take a ton of abuse but continue to stay in the line-up and put up big points. Couple of the toughest players in the league.
Chris Pronger has even said that they are amongst the strongest players along the boards he has ever played against.

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I'm a Ducks fan and Corey Perry is one of my favourite players, but he isn't nearly as physical as he gets credit for. He'll crash the net, but he isn't going to throw a whole lot of hits. He probably lost some of that edge to his game when he developed more puck skills.

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11-23-2012, 06:46 PM
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Jannik Hansen isn't a pest.

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The Sedins being soft is way off the mark. They take a ton of abuse but continue to stay in the line-up and put up big points. Couple of the toughest players in the league.
I'm pretty sure you have a different perspective in regards to what constitutes "soft" or "tough" than most.

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11-23-2012, 07:01 PM
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Wrong on both counts, not a Rangers fan and he was the biggest head hunter the NHL has ever seen, Matt Cooke included. Or was hitting Paul Kariya 20 seconds after he passed the puck from the blind side a strong physical play?

This was his MO.


You just compared him to Matt Cooke...

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11-23-2012, 07:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have a different perspective in regards to what constitutes "soft" or "tough" than most.
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11-23-2012, 07:32 PM
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"Bruins tough guy, David Krejci"
tbh, I never heard a Bruins fan say Krejci was tough...

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tbh, I never heard a Bruins fan say Krejci was tough...
Say it in a Jack Edwards voice.

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Erik Cole is whiny, irritating, and selfish. Feel like that's not typically a label he's given.
That label is just from the people who delusionally think that Fehr is completely controlling the NHLPA and that players like Hamrlik are the majority, when clearly they're a minority.

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11-23-2012, 09:27 PM
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I only have 1 year's sample of watching him closely and I'm sure some Rangers fans will disagree but I really think that Brad Richards is overrated as a playmaker and underrated as a scorer. He makes a lot of nice passes and is probably the best passer on the Rangers but that's not saying much. He actually has a nice shot.

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Player on rival team sucks.

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