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11-21-2012, 11:42 AM
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The only reason his plus/minus went up is that his scoring improved from 0.4 PPG (10 points in 25 games) under Maurice to 1.05 PPG (60 points in 57 games) once Maurice was gone. Defensively he was as bad as before which means he was worse than the other forwards on that "mediocre" team. Check out the following thread for game-by-game ratings: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1013809.

Yes, he was a defensive liability. So for the 1999 Modano comparison you need an Eric Staal who actually plays defence. Not the Eric Staal we see in the NHL. Offensively they are similiar and maybe Staal can become a player like Modano if he gets the right coach.
Trust me I'm extremely familiar with that thread, it's the board I moderate. Staal went from even under subjective +/- by the time that Maurice was fired to +11 by seasons end under subjective +/- on a team that was -30 overall in goal differential. Sorry but that doesn't scream defensive liability to me. You disagree with me and that's fine, but nothing about that says defensive liability to me. But I'll say it again, Staal simply had issues with Maurice in a big way, he elevated his game once Muller took over and that was in all areas, not just offensively.

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11-21-2012, 02:38 PM
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Trust me I'm extremely familiar with that thread, it's the board I moderate. Staal went from even under subjective +/- by the time that Maurice was fired to +11 by seasons end under subjective +/- on a team that was -30 overall in goal differential. Sorry but that doesn't scream defensive liability to me. You disagree with me and that's fine, but nothing about that says defensive liability to me. But I'll say it again, Staal simply had issues with Maurice in a big way, he elevated his game once Muller took over and that was in all areas, not just offensively.
Okay, but even if you don't consider him a liability he's not in the same league as 99 Modano defensively. So maybe a Hitchcocked version of Staal will do, but not the actual Eric Staal we know. Offensively they are similiar however. Fair?

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11-21-2012, 02:40 PM
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Okay, but even if you don't consider him a liability he's not in the same league as 99 Modano defensively. So maybe a Hitchcocked version of Staal will do, but not the actual Eric Staal we know. Offensively they are similiar however. Fair?
Definitely fair, wouldn't argue with that at all.

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11-21-2012, 03:39 PM
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Jere Lehtinen - Mike Modano - Brett Hull
Pat Verbeek - Joe Nieuwendyk - Jamie Langenbrunner
Dave Reid - Guy Carbonneau - Mike Keane
Benoit Houge/Grant Marshall - Brian Skrudland - Blake Sloan

Segei Zubov - Daryl Sydor
Darian Hatcher - Rick Matvichuk
Craig Ludwig - Shawn Chambers

Eddie Belfour
Roman Turek

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Loui Eriksson (Lehtinen) - Jonathan Toews (Modano) - Jarome Iginla (Hull)
Brad Marchand (Verbeek) - Patrice Bergeron (Niewendyk) - David Clarkson (Langenbrunner)
Bryan Bickel (Reid) - Manny Malholtra (Carbonneau) - Troy Brouwer (Keane)
Matt Halishchuk (Marshall) - Jochen Hecht (Skrudland) - Tim Jackman (Sloan)

Kris Letang (Zubov) - Ryan Suter (Sydor)
Dan Hamhuis (Hatcher) - Braydon Coburn (Matvichuk)
Steve Staios (Ludwig) - Sean O'Donnell (Chambers)

Cam Ward (Belfour)
Jhonas Enroth (Turek)

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11-22-2012, 08:03 PM
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Brian Campbell (Zubov) - Alexander Edler (Sydor)
Niklas Kronwall*** (Hatcher)

*** - if you make Kronwall meaner, better defensively, and even more physical
Those three are waaay off. Campbell has a pretty atrocious defensive game, Zubov has always been good both ways. Same with Edler/Sydor; Edler's D doesn't stack up.

And Hatcher and Kronwall are completely different types of defensemen with different styles. Hatcher's style was to skate slowly through mud and be the fourth-best defenseman on his team, while Kronwall's style is to be a physical two-way defenseman who is one of the league's most feared hitters.

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I can't do the 99 Stars, but I do like the idea of putting historical teams in terms of current players.

2003-04 Colorado Avalanche

Tanguay - Forsberg - Hejduk
Kariya - Sakic - Selanne

Blake - Foote
Liles - Morris

Aebischer
Salo

Translates to

Lupul - Malkin - Perry
Kessel - Giroux - ...Selanne

Boyle - Keith
Niskanen - Giordano

Schneider
Wouldn't it better translate to:
Tanguay - Getzlaf - Hejduk
Kane - Toews - Selanne

Weber - Carlson
Liles - Morris

Hiller
Hedberg

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11-23-2012, 08:24 PM
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Wouldn't it better translate to:
Tanguay - Getzlaf - Hejduk
Kane - Toews - Selanne

Weber - Carlson
Liles - Morris

Hiller
Hedberg
No. Tanguay in 2004 was on pace to lead the league in scoring. Hejduk back then was the reigning goal scoring champ. Forsberg was the reigning MVP. Sakic was one of the best offensive players in the NHL. Kariya was an older player with a lot of firepower... Kessel may not be the best stand-in here admitedly.

The reason I sub Schneider in for Aebischer is that they're both backups who emerged as starting options. People forget that Aebischer had a .920 save percentage that year, he was not the problem.

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11-23-2012, 09:03 PM
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Those three are waaay off. Campbell has a pretty atrocious defensive game, Zubov has always been good both ways. Same with Edler/Sydor; Edler's D doesn't stack up.

And Hatcher and Kronwall are completely different types of defensemen with different styles. Hatcher's style was to skate slowly through mud and be the fourth-best defenseman on his team, while Kronwall's style is to be a physical two-way defenseman who is one of the league's most feared hitters.
Yeah, that stopped being the case sometime between after the playoffs in San Jose and his first season in Chicago.

And a few threads over, we have Hatcher being called one of the best pure defensive defenseman of the 90s, so something has to be reconciled there as well.

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11-25-2012, 12:16 AM
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99 Stars replaced with current players skills/attributes as of today...

Lehtonen Loui Eriksson- Modano Eric Staal- Hull Jarome Iginla
Verbeek Clutterbuck- Nieuwendyk Mike Richards- Sloan Eric Nystrom
Hogue Vinny Prospal- Carbonneau Michael Handzus - Langenbrunner Tuomo Ruttu
Marshall Gregory Campbell - Skrudland Jason Arnott - Reid Jaime Langenbrunner

Zubov Dan Boyle - Sydor Nick Leddy
Hatcher Matt Greene - Ludwig Bryan Allen
Matvichuk Filip Kuba - Chambers Jaroslav Spacek

Belfour Jaroslav Halak

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11-26-2012, 12:04 PM
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That team might not make the playoffs let alone be considered one of the best teams of the last 15 years.

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11-26-2012, 08:25 PM
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Brett Hull.... = Brad Marchand? That P.O.S. would totally cheat to win game 6 too...

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11-27-2012, 09:14 PM
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Jere Lehtinen - Mike Modano - Brett Hull
Pat Verbeek - Joe Nieuwendyk - Jamie Langenbrunner
Dave Reid - Guy Carbonneau - Mike Keane
Benoit Houge/Grant Marshall - Brian Skrudland - Blake Sloan

Segei Zubov - Daryl Sydor
Darian Hatcher - Rick Matvichuk
Craig Ludwig - Shawn Chambers

Eddie Belfour
Roman Turek

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Loui Eriksson (Lehtinen) - Jonathan Toews (Modano) - Jarome Iginla (Hull)
Brad Marchand (Verbeek) - Patrice Bergeron (Niewendyk) - David Clarkson (Langenbrunner)
Bryan Bickel (Reid) - Manny Malholtra (Carbonneau) - Troy Brouwer (Keane)
Matt Halishchuk (Marshall) - Jochen Hecht (Skrudland) - Tim Jackman (Sloan)

Kris Letang (Zubov) - Ryan Suter (Sydor)
Dan Hamhuis (Hatcher) - Braydon Coburn (Matvichuk)
Steve Staios (Ludwig) - Sean O'Donnell (Chambers)

Cam Ward (Belfour)
Jhonas Enroth (Turek)
That D!
Was Langenbrunner much of a tough guy? That's the only comp. I can't quite see

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Loui Eriksson (Lehtinen) - Jonathan Toews (Modano) - Jarome Iginla (Hull)
Brad Marchand (Verbeek) - Patrice Bergeron (Niewendyk) - David Clarkson (Langenbrunner)
Bryan Bickel (Reid) - Manny Malholtra (Carbonneau) - Troy Brouwer (Keane)
Matt Halishchuk (Marshall) - Jochen Hecht (Skrudland) - Tim Jackman (Sloan)

Kris Letang (Zubov) - Ryan Suter (Sydor)
Dan Hamhuis (Hatcher) - Braydon Coburn (Matvichuk)
Steve Staios (Ludwig) - Sean O'Donnell (Chambers)

Cam Ward (Belfour)
Jhonas Enroth (Turek)
As a lifelong North Stars/Stars fan, I really like this. I think Suter for Sydor is generous, but otherwise I think this is bang on.

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11-28-2012, 12:48 PM
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Ugh, please don't make me relive that '99 Stars team. One of the most unlikeable groups ever, especially that D corpse (minus Zubov).

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As a lifelong North Stars/Stars fan, I really like this. I think Suter for Sydor is generous, but otherwise I think this is bang on.
Yeah Suter's a bit generous but Sydor was one of the best defensemen in the NHL in the late 90s in my opinion, strong offensive output and as I remeber him great defense. Of course Suter's been a top NHL defensemen and has been for more than 2 years (Which Sydor was really only top 10 for two or three years) but he was the closest I could find.

Was thinking about Keith instead but wasn't sure about that.

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That D!
Was Langenbrunner much of a tough guy? That's the only comp. I can't quite see
I remember him like that but I picked Clarkson more for that 2nd-3rd line tweener/leadership guy. I don't think he's quite the tough Clarkson is but the other parts fit.

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Yeah Suter's a bit generous but Sydor was one of the best defensemen in the NHL in the late 90s in my opinion, strong offensive output and as I remeber him great defense. Of course Suter's been a top NHL defensemen and has been for more than 2 years (Which Sydor was really only top 10 for two or three years) but he was the closest I could find.

Was thinking about Keith instead but wasn't sure about that.



I remember him like that but I picked Clarkson more for that 2nd-3rd line tweener/leadership guy. I don't think he's quite the tough Clarkson is but the other parts fit.
What about Dan Boyle for Daryl Sydor? Suter is a pretty good comparison, but Sydor certainly never reached Keith's level. Langenbrunner is tough, and TBH I have a hard time remembering him on that Stars team. Maybe Simon Gagne, with a bit more sandpaper?

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What about Dan Boyle for Daryl Sydor? Suter is a pretty good comparison, but Sydor certainly never reached Keith's level. Langenbrunner is tough, and TBH I have a hard time remembering him on that Stars team. Maybe Simon Gagne, with a bit more sandpaper?
Boyle from a few years ago maybe but he's not the player he used to be. Sydor was a really great player back then, a top 2 defensemen on any team. A little sad he didn't keep it up.

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Yeah, that stopped being the case sometime between after the playoffs in San Jose and his first season in Chicago.

And a few threads over, we have Hatcher being called one of the best pure defensive defenseman of the 90s, so something has to be reconciled there as well.
Campbell isn't really close to Zubov in terms of defense. Hatcher was never the "4th best defenseman on his team." There really are no good comparables for either player.

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Funny, when I saw the thread title I thought you were referring to the 99 & Friends tour, Wayne Gretzky had put together during the 1994 NHL Lockout. I couldn't even begin to put together a Dallas Stars team since I only have vague recollections of them even winning the Stanley Cup in 1999, let alone who was even on the team.

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