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11-21-2012, 01:10 PM
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McNabb doesnt really lack IQ like some of you are saying, he just isnt at Pysyk level.

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11-21-2012, 03:37 PM
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Future being the key word there. But yeah, I agree with you about McNabb. I have my doubts about him ever being a full time successful NHLer. Lacking in foot speed and IQ can be a killer combo. You can lack one but make it up with the other, but if both are lacking, it can spell trouble.
Future? Its not like TJ is an old man and can not have a bright future.

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11-21-2012, 05:38 PM
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Aside from the fact that Brennan has a ceiling as maybe bottom pairing PP specialist, while the other 2 have top 4 potential.

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11-22-2012, 01:15 AM
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Aside from the fact that Brennan has a ceiling as maybe bottom pairing PP specialist, while the other 2 have top 4 potential.
Well that is not true at all. If you are talking about ceilings, then Brennan tops out as a top 4 defenceman and at worst a bottom pairing PP defenceman. As for McNabb and Pysyk´s potential it would be a top pairing defenceman. I don´t see McNabb or Pysyk not making it as a top 4 defenceman. As for Brennan he will prbably never be a regular sabre.

The guy I am looking forward to if he can reach his potential is Jerome Gauthier-Leduc.

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11-22-2012, 10:42 AM
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McNabb doesnt really lack IQ like some of you are saying, he just isnt at Pysyk level.
I've had this impression of McNabb myself. I'm not sure what the pairings are for you guys, but I saw similar tendencies when they were both WHL players. I'm thinking if both of them are on the same D pairing, McNabb looks low IQ relative to Pysyk...I think most players probably would look pretty dumb beside Pysyk because his combination of skating and intuition gives him the ability to make so few mistakes compared to his partner.

For my read...McNabb is mean, can shoot, and can hit hard. Pysyk is quieter, but can control a game to a different level than McNabb and would make fewer mistakes. The former can be a game changer, the latter the type you want more of.

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11-22-2012, 10:55 AM
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Well that is not true at all. If you are talking about ceilings, then Brennan tops out as a top 4 defenceman and at worst a bottom pairing PP defenceman. As for McNabb and Pysyk´s potential it would be a top pairing defenceman. I don´t see McNabb or Pysyk not making it as a top 4 defenceman. As for Brennan he will prbably never be a regular sabre.

The guy I am looking forward to if he can reach his potential is Jerome Gauthier-Leduc.
Nope, at worst Brennan is a career AHLer, while the other two are at worst bottom parinig NHLers. Both Mcnabb and Pysyk have NHL careers ahead of them, Brennan does not.

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11-22-2012, 11:53 AM
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Well that is not true at all. If you are talking about ceilings, then Brennan tops out as a top 4 defenceman and at worst a bottom pairing PP defenceman. As for McNabb and Pysyk´s potential it would be a top pairing defenceman. I don´t see McNabb or Pysyk not making it as a top 4 defenceman. As for Brennan he will prbably never be a regular sabre.

The guy I am looking forward to if he can reach his potential is Jerome Gauthier-Leduc.
You're being really generous to Brennan. At worst, he's a career AHLer, as he is now, and a serviceable call-up if an offensive d-man goes down and we need someone to man the point on the PP. At best, I still think he's just a bottom pairing offensive specialist in the NHL. I just don't see top 4 upside there. He lacks IQ in his own end, is prone to making mistakes/bad plays under pressure... And there's no way his shot is enough to push him over Ehrhoff, Myers, and McNabb on the depth chart when he's lacking other tools that those guys have (McNabb has a great physical game, Hoff and Myers are elite skaters and both much smarter defensively). Basically, we're not lacking for offensive talent on in our D group enough for him to get any kind of shot in the top 4 unless we hit a really, really unfortunate run of injuries. I do think he could be an effective bottom-pairing player, but if he's in our top 4, I think we're in trouble.

Side note: I'm also looking forward to seeing how JGL develops. He's definitely a bit of a project, but with the depth we already have, he's got plenty of time.

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11-22-2012, 12:15 PM
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McNabb is overrated and it is to early for Pysyk. At this point in time Brennan is the better option over either.
That'd make sense if rookie pro Brayden McNabb didn't play twice as many NHL games as three year pro Brennan last season.

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Well that is not true at all. If you are talking about ceilings, then Brennan tops out as a top 4 defenceman and at worst a bottom pairing PP defenceman. As for McNabb and Pysyk´s potential it would be a top pairing defenceman. I don´t see McNabb or Pysyk not making it as a top 4 defenceman. As for Brennan he will prbably never be a regular sabre.

The guy I am looking forward to if he can reach his potential is Jerome Gauthier-Leduc.
Yeah, like others, I don't see that at all.

At worst, he's not an NHL'er, I guess.
I say "I guess" because I also see it as the most likely scenario right now.
At best, he's a bottom pairing offensive specialist.
He's not good enough defensively to play top four minutes and likely never will be, as we've been waiting for him to show notable improvement defensively for three and change seasons now and he hasn't.

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11-23-2012, 07:04 PM
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Pysyk may be a smart player and a good skater, but he is too soft of a player for my liking. He also doesn't have a very good shot either. Right now I think he will become a little better version of an Andre Sekera as an NHL defenseman.

McNabb is big defenseman with nice offensive skill. He can move opponents away from his own net. He makes big open ice hits that can intimidate opponents. I like him as a prospect more than Pysyk.

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11-23-2012, 10:17 PM
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Pysyk may be a smart player and a good skater, but he is too soft of a player for my liking. He also doesn't have a very good shot either. Right now I think he will become a little better version of an Andre Sekera as an NHL defenseman.

McNabb is big defenseman with nice offensive skill. He can move opponents away from his own net. He makes big open ice hits that can intimidate opponents. I like him as a prospect more than Pysyk.
Pysyk isn't soft. He doesn't go out of his way to hit people because he plays a positional game. He doesn't get hit often but he can take one to make a play. He isn't Henrik Tallinder back there crumbling and breaking an arm anytime someone gets nearhim.

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11-23-2012, 11:03 PM
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Pysyk isn't soft. He doesn't go out of his way to hit people because he plays a positional game. He doesn't get hit often but he can take one to make a play. He isn't Henrik Tallinder back there crumbling and breaking an arm anytime someone gets nearhim.
Agreed. He's so smart and sound positionally that he doesn't need to be physical to be extremely effective in his own zone. You don't see him avoiding contact either.

And if he ends up being a slightly better Andrej Sekera, we will have a hell of an NHL defenseman.

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11-23-2012, 11:33 PM
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I think the real answer is; which one of them would you want on the ice for a own zone faceoff, while protecting a 1 goal lead, with under a minute to play.

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11-23-2012, 11:52 PM
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Pysyk may be a smart player and a good skater, but he is too soft of a player for my liking.
He was soft pre-draft and retained the label during 2010-11, but he's been vastly improved since.
He no longer plays scared and it's because he's much more confident and also much stronger.
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He also doesn't have a very good shot either.
Another aspect of his game that has been improved, but it will never be a strength and doesn't really need to be.
He's not an offensive defenseman and is unfairly labeled as one for some reason.
He's not going to be much of a threat to score off a one-timer or anything, but he picks his spots when he has a good opportunity.
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Right now I think he will become a little better version of an Andre Sekera as an NHL defenseman.
That's a pretty good player.

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11-24-2012, 08:56 AM
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Pysyk is another in long line of smooth skating finesse styled dmen in line behind sekera erhroff and myers while McNabb is with RR (UFA in his 30's next year) Weber (bottom pair) so if I had to pick 1 of the 2 I hope develops I'd lean towards McNabb. I like Pysyk but we could really use a viscous bull dog like McNabb.

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11-24-2012, 09:34 AM
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He's not an offensive defenseman and is unfairly labeled as one for some reason.
He's not going to be much of a threat to score off a one-timer or anything, but he picks his spots when he has a good opportunity.
Agreed, he's not a flashy offensive defensive defenseman but he's so quick, smart, and decisive on moving the puck so he's equally as effective as some more flashy guys. But like you said, he'll never be really considered an offensive defenseman.

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11-24-2012, 11:52 AM
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Watching Pysyk live is impressive. I thought he was the Amerk's best defenseman by some distance. Lives up to my prior impressions, always in position and an insanely smooth skater. Beyond that I paid attention to him down low and in front of the net. I was impressed with his battle and willingness to use his body to battle for position to give Leggio a clear view. Finally, he shows a knack for being able to get point shots through. His shot is not impressive but it doesn't need to be. Just needs to get to the net. Set up a goal by Flynn last night.

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I think the real answer is; which one of them would you want on the ice for a own zone faceoff, while protecting a 1 goal lead, with under a minute to play.
I'd take McNabb who is big and strong enough to move an opponent away from his net.

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I think the real answer is; which one of them would you want on the ice for a own zone faceoff, while protecting a 1 goal lead, with under a minute to play.
Pysyk. Less risk in his game.

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I'd love to have a better Sekera on the Sabres in the future.

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