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11-23-2012, 09:31 PM
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A lot of people nowadays confuse good forwards who forecheck aggressively and hit hard in the offensive zone as being defensive specialists nowadays.

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11-23-2012, 11:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure you have a different perspective in regards to what constitutes "soft" or "tough" than most.
Soft means you can't take abuse. Sedins get cross-checked all the time, every single game and still put the puck in the net.

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11-23-2012, 11:20 PM
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Jannik Hansen isn't a pest.
People consider him a pest?

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11-23-2012, 11:29 PM
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tbh, I never heard a Bruins fan say Krejci was tough...
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Say it in a Jack Edwards voice.

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11-24-2012, 12:31 AM
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Hatcher, Ludwig, Blake, Jovo, Konstantinov, Pronger, and this is just off the top of my head. And we're just talking DPE, not historically fearsome hitters like Robinson and Potvin.
You got footage of Pronger or throwing a Scott Stevens-esque hit? I already know the answer to this. Pronger was a stick-checker. He did his damage with trees during Stevens' career. Jovanovski and Ludwig used to clutch on to people and toss them, which isn't what I'm talking about nor is it the type of thing that would cause a Mark Messier to swing a stick at your head because it wasn't something that would hurt you.

And Hatcher and Konstantinov were two guys that were forced to pay a price for playing that way, although Konstantinov didn't really hit to injure and Hatcher eventually stopped paying the price when the referees inexplicably started protecting the guy during the twilight of Stevens' career. Probably because of the Betruzzi incident.

Now Brendan Witt, Steve Webb, Vaclav Varada and Tyson Nash were four more guys who would just run people consequences be damned. But they aren't exactly from Stevens' "era," solidifying jobs after Stevens was already old.


Edit: How'd I miss this? Robinson and Potvin

I'm sorry are you under the impression that Scott Stevens was known for going hip on hip, rather than for freight training people in the torso?

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11-24-2012, 12:38 AM
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Chris Neil is a dirty player. False. Never been suspended. Has mastered walking that 'fine line'.

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Jason Spezza is bad defensively. False. He is at least average, maybe a bit above average now defensively. His back checking is great, his man to man defensive coverage is very good and he uses that long reach to his advantage. He is a complete 3 zone player now. Not that drop pass giveaway machine who doesn't back check player he was.

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11-24-2012, 12:45 AM
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I'm a fan of Mark Messier one of the greatest no doubt but what iterated me was people saying he was great in his own in which is false.Mark was above average but not great.Again don't take offence to my statement Messier was a great player

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11-24-2012, 12:50 AM
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Are you seriously tryin to justify biting? Pathetic.

i'm not justifying the bite, but what would you do if your head was pressed against glass, and someone was forcing their finger in your mouth?

serious question.. you can't spit it out, you aren't able to access or use your hands, you can't pull your head back...so what would you do? have you ever had a big leather glove finger in your mouth?

and who sticks fingers in peoples mouths? why isn't that as pathetic as the bite?


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11-24-2012, 01:02 AM
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People say Perron is a soft cupcake when in reality he has only had one injury which was one of the most blatant headshots in hockey.

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11-24-2012, 01:32 AM
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edler is often labeled as the Canucks' best defenseman when that is rarely the case.

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11-24-2012, 01:49 AM
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Kronwall doesn't leave his feet, he's just gravitationally impaired.

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11-24-2012, 04:39 AM
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Hemsky as a soft, perimeter player. If that was the case, we'd never have to worry about his injuries

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11-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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People consider him a pest?
Surprisingly, yes. There are some people who consider him a pest. Some sports personnel [TSN, Sportsnet, ETC] call him a pest, too. That is probably why.

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11-24-2012, 12:21 PM
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Dive out of the way? He's pretty good at that. Or am I thinking of Kessler?
Marchand dives worse then both of them so hush

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11-24-2012, 03:46 PM
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I forgot about "senile Bob Cole voice".

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11-24-2012, 03:49 PM
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Thanks, its just so awesome. He really should have stopped and laughed because that groan in the background made it really uncomfortable.

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11-24-2012, 03:49 PM
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Hemsky as a soft, perimeter player. If that was the case, we'd never have to worry about his injuries
This is probably the truest one so far.

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11-24-2012, 03:56 PM
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Ryan Kesler scored 40 goals in 2011 while being utilized almost entirely in a shutdown role en-route to the Selke.

In reality, however, he wasn't a checking forward until Malhotra's eye injury (8th in team forward QoC), but that was lost on the voting populace in the midst of Kesler's reputation, offensive breakout and the fact that he was still a big part of Vancouver's PK.
This x1000000. He deserved the Selke the year before he won it, not the year he won it.

Joe Thornton, playoff choker, is PPG over his past 4 playoff rounds, despite being under PPG in the corresponding regular seasons.

Patrick Marleau, softest play in the NHL, is the only Shark who will regularly stand in front of the net and take all sorts of abuse. Also, he has more hits than Thornton and Pavelski combined.

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11-24-2012, 05:43 PM
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i'm not justifying the bite, but what would you do if your head was pressed against glass, and someone was forcing their finger in your mouth?

serious question.. you can't spit it out, you aren't able to access or use your hands, you can't pull your head back...so what would you do? have you ever had a big leather glove finger in your mouth?

and who sticks fingers in peoples mouths? why isn't that as pathetic as the bite?
Gotta say I agree here, haha reminds me of Austin Powers "Who throws a shoe!?" Seriously though why would you put your finger in someone's mouth.

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11-24-2012, 10:12 PM
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Hemsky as a soft, perimeter player. If that was the case, we'd never have to worry about his injuries
Bouchard *IS* a soft perimeter player, hasn't helped his injury history a bit...

For the Wild? 100% Heatley. Guy was a warrior last year, and was frequently reported to be one of the best guys in the locker room. Team cancer, he is not.

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OK, Ottawa fans that can't let it go can chime in and tell me how wrong I am...... Now.

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11-24-2012, 10:25 PM
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I've heard Johan Franzen described as a power forward, which he isn't in it's truest definition. He's only described as such due to his size.
Came here to post this.

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And Hatcher and Konstantinov were two guys that were forced to pay a price for playing that way, although Konstantinov didn't really hit to injure and Hatcher eventually stopped paying the price when the referees inexplicably started protecting the guy during the twilight of Stevens' career. Probably because of the Betruzzi incident.
Huh? Would you mind repeating that more comprehensibly?

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11-24-2012, 11:14 PM
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I don't know how prevalent it is but Tom Gilbert is a defenseman who happens to have offense, not an offensive defenseman. The past couple years his zone start percentage has been very close to 50% and he faces top pair competition. Compare that to a player like Karlsson, who is an excellent offensive D with a ZS nearing 60% or a lesser example in MA Bergeron with his 70% this year and you'll understand the difference.

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11-24-2012, 11:23 PM
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gaborik isnt deserving of his glassorik title

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11-24-2012, 11:25 PM
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People used to call Sean Avery a dirty player. In fact him and Matt Cooke were always mentioned together.

Now you can call Avery alot of things: pest, coward, irritant, ****** bag, disgrace, jerk, cancer, etc. etc. etc.

But the fact of the matter is he was never, not once, suspended for an on-ice incident.

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11-24-2012, 11:26 PM
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I only have 1 year's sample of watching him closely and I'm sure some Rangers fans will disagree but I really think that Brad Richards is overrated as a playmaker and underrated as a scorer. He makes a lot of nice passes and is probably the best passer on the Rangers but that's not saying much. He actually has a nice shot.
he does have a great shot but i think we are seing him take the shot more because whos is he really gonna pass to (he wasnt playing with gab for most of the season and you have to give him some credit for almost making cally a 30 goal scorer) i feel richie is just an overall good player

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