per·haps/pərˈ(h)aps/
Adverb:
Used to express uncertainty or possibility: "perhaps I should have been frank with him".
Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.
per·haps/pərˈ(h)aps/
Adverb:
Used to express uncertainty or possibility: "perhaps I should have been frank with him".
Used when one does not wish to be too definite or assertive in the expression of an opinion.
Ok. So your uncertainty or possibility that Eller is better than Desharnais both offensively and defensively is based on.. what?
It's not a crazy or based on a hunch. Eller has better hands and is much stronger and faster than DD. He is a better puck handler and has a better shot.
DD has unreal vision while Eller has a tendency to force things. DD is also 3 years older than Eller. So saying "perhaps" Eller could be better now that he has a year more of experience to learn from and was actually able to spend the summer working out instead of recovering from an injury (which everyone seems to forget about when talking about Eller's season last year) isn't arbitrary.
If Eller is now better than Desharnais, that means that the habs are one of the top 3 best center team. 3 center who can produce over 50 points each. I don't think that Eller is better than Desharnais but if it's the case, the Habs can trade Plekanec for real good young players or draft picks.
Ok. So your uncertainty or possibility that Eller is better than Desharnais both offensively and defensively is based on.. what?
Just a hunch?
Based on the fact that I actually watched every game we played last year. Eller is already a better scorer, and while Desharnais is a fantastic playmaker, I think that Eller's playmaking or vision was never fully exploited due to the scrubs he had to play with. When he played with Andrei K, they did very well against decent opposition.
Add to that the fact that Eller is still a few (2-3) years younger than DD, so I think he's got more room to grow his game, both offensively and defensively. In my mind, there's a chance he's already better offensively than DD. I wouldn't put money on it, but there's a chance.
In the long run, though, I do think Eller turns into the more useful forward of the two.
Not sure why the thought that Eller might be better offensively than DD rustles your jimmies so bad.
I'm not one of those that has to put one down to elevate the other. I love DD's passing game and I think he's so smart that he can adjust to eventually playing wing on the top 2 lines.
If Eller is now better than Desharnais, that means that the habs are one of the top 3 best center team. 3 center who can produce over 50 points each. I don't think that Eller is better than Desharnais but if it's the case, the Habs can trade Plekanec for real good young players or draft picks.
Well, he's talking about having a good return. For this to happen, you have to trade Pleky.
Just look in this thread, it's easy to understand why a 26 y.o. 5'6 center with one 60 points season won't get you much in return.
Even his own fans think you can't be a successful team if you have him on you top 2 lines, and that he can't play on the bottom 2. Basically, he'll need 2 or 3 more good seasons to have any value on the market.
Well, he's talking about having a good return. For this to happen, you have to trade Pleky.
Just look in this thread, it's easy to understand why a 26 y.o. 5'6 center with one 60 points season won't get you much in return.
Even his own fans think you can't be a successful team if you have him on you top 2 lines, and that he can't play on the bottom 2. Basically, he'll need 2 or 3 more good seasons to have any value on the market.
No one needs to be traded. We can move Desharnais to the wing and keep Eller and Plekanec until Galchenyuk or Barkov are ready for the big show.
...Not sure why the thought that Eller might be better offensively than DD rustles your jimmies so bad...
To point out the obvious, Desharnais had over twice as many points as Eller did last season. It can be argued that Desharnais was not so much the beneficiary of his linemates than the other way around. He really gets his wingers going. His vision is world class.
Eller is a work in progress. If he has anywhere near the hockey smarts of Desharnais, he should turn out well.
To point out the obvious, Desharnais had over twice as many points as Eller did last season. It can be argued that Desharnais was not so much the beneficiary of his linemates than the other way around. He really gets his wingers going. His vision is world class.
Eller is a work in progress. If he has anywhere near the hockey smarts of Desharnais, he should turn out well.
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1) More icetime
2) More offensive zone starts
3) Stronger linemates
4) Easier matchups
Based on the fact that I actually watched every game we played last year. Eller is already a better scorer, and while Desharnais is a fantastic playmaker, I think that Eller's playmaking or vision was never fully exploited due to the scrubs he had to play with. When he played with Andrei K, they did very well against decent opposition.
Add to that the fact that Eller is still a few (2-3) years younger than DD, so I think he's got more room to grow his game, both offensively and defensively. In my mind, there's a chance he's already better offensively than DD. I wouldn't put money on it, but there's a chance.
In the long run, though, I do think Eller turns into the more useful forward of the two.
Not sure why the thought that Eller might be better offensively than DD rustles your jimmies so bad.
I'm not one of those that has to put one down to elevate the other. I love DD's passing game and I think he's so smart that he can adjust to eventually playing wing on the top 2 lines.
I'm a DD fan, but mostly because I love the story that's behind him!
But I'm even more a Habs fan, so if Eller turns out to be better offensively than DD, well I'm even happier.
My only problem with Eller is that he tends to play alone. He keeps the puck way too long. That works great on large ices, but it's a real problem in the NHL. Now, I understand that you also saw this, but have a different vision on it :
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Originally Posted by overlords
I think that Eller's playmaking or vision was never fully exploited due to the scrubs he had to play with
That's a possibility. But I think good players still look good when they are with scrubs, they only make scrubs look like scrubs. That's what I saw from DD when he was playing with Darche, Pyatt and others 2 years ago. He managed to get his points while playing under 10 mins a night.
That being said, I sure hope Eller turns out to be better than DD, cause we would have a very, very interesting player!
Plekanec is 4 years older, has a bigger salary cap and has a better trade value beacause he is more establish and Desharnais is almost the only local talent on the team.
To point out the obvious, Desharnais had over twice as many points as Eller did last season. It can be argued that Desharnais was not so much the beneficiary of his linemates than the other way around. He really gets his wingers going. His vision is world class.
Eller is a work in progress. If he has anywhere near the hockey smarts of Desharnais, he should turn out well.
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A points vs. points argument takes no context into account. DD also had 5x (260m+) the PP time that Eller did (52m). And Eller DID have one of the best production rates 5 on 4 on the team, so I think he could have closed that gap significantly had Dumb or Dumber given Gomez' PP time (almost 90 minutes over the year) to Eller.
Suffice it to say that I don't think that Eller was used competently last year. I did, however, like that he became one of the pillars on the PK and seemed to get better and better defensively as the year went on.
What's the story with the confrontation here in every single topic? Who cares if DD > Eller < DD?
We've got a fantastic pack of centers for years to come. Can finally afford to lose or trade some if needed, but don't finally need to grieve upon that part of the team.
To continue on the topic, fan reports say that Eller was THE dynamo of the game today. With Peverley and Perrin in the same line, that can't be a bad thing.
To point out the obvious, Desharnais had over twice as many points as Eller did last season. It can be argued that Desharnais was not so much the beneficiary of his linemates than the other way around. He really gets his wingers going. His vision is world class.
Eller is a work in progress. If he has anywhere near the hockey smarts of Desharnais, he should turn out well.
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Both Cole and Pacioretty actually scored goals at a faster rate without Desharnais than with him on ES. Their shots for/against ratios also were both better with Plekanec and Eller.
That might just be a fluke of the sample size, but I also looked at their shot rate, neither Cole nor Pacioretty improved compared to previously established levels.
By the numbers it looks far more that Pacioretty and Cole were having a monster season together than being at all dependent on who was centering them last year. Far to small a sample size to make any conclusions from, but if we go by the eye test, Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole was even more of a dominant line than Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole the rare occasions they played together.
Would be great physically but they are all shooters and I doubt the chemistry would be there like it is with DD in the middle.
I would prefer to see...
Eller - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gionta/Bourque
Eller can learn to drive the net and use his size like Cole and maybe become a stronger skater. Pleks can also help Eller round out his defensive game while giving Eller some prime minutes on the top line. Pac can stay with DD and Gionta/Bourque both drive the net hard so that will fill the void.
Eller - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gionta/Bourque
Eller can learn to drive the net and use his size like Cole and maybe become a stronger skater. Pleks can also help Eller round out his defensive game while giving Eller some prime minutes on the top line. Pac can stay with DD and Gionta/Bourque both drive the net hard so that will fill the void.
Eller on the wing is pretty much a non-starter at this point.
A steamroller of a line!!
