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11-20-2012, 08:46 AM
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I agree with that. I just think if were gonna get a defensman I love the idea of a physical player like orpik that wont get pushed around and can really intimidate other teams.
I don't think many teams are "intimidated" by Brooks Orpik. Sure, he offer nice size and can use his body, but so can 80 percent of defensemen.

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IF The Blues are going to give up Stewart proven NHL 20-goal scorer) AND Rattie(perennial WHL Top 5 scorer) in the same trade, they'd better get a better and YOUNGER defenceman than 32-yr. old Orpik.

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11-24-2012, 01:43 PM
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He's putting up great numbers again this year, and last year he played 22 games without Bartschi and still put up ridiculous numbers. I believe someone on here said that his scoring average was actually better in the games that he played without Sven. I think he has done more than enough to prove that he is not just the product of good linemates.
His numbers went down without Sven

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His numbers went down without Sven
Rattie only combined with Bärtschi on about 50 of his 121 points last season. That stat alone says enough.

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His numbers went down without Sven
He started the season off slowly but has picked up his pace. It's not unreasonable for a player to have an adjustment period with new line mates. After his slow start he is doing just as well without Sven.

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Would still do Schwartz for Gormley

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Would still do Schwartz for Gormley
Not only would I still do it, but with the takeoff of Jaskin, I'd be willing to add a 3rd round pick. Giving a little extra, but our prospect depth at the wing is very strong.

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12-04-2012, 01:13 AM
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Would still do Schwartz for Gormley
Me too. As much as I like Jaden but with our current youth and depth at wing and with Vlad coming and with Rattie and Jaskin on the rise its pretty much a no brainer.

And even if I dont follow Gormley this season I have no doubt that he can be at least as good as Cola right from the start and getting something special pretty soon if playing with Petro

Would prefer trading Stewart for him though

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12-04-2012, 02:03 AM
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Nah I'd rather trade Schwartz and yes I would easily move him for Gormley as well.

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12-06-2012, 08:40 AM
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I took the old Schwartz for Gormley dead back to the Trade Forum, and got basically the same response: Solid Value, but not something Coyotes fans wanted to pull the trigger on.

However a very interesting counter offer from Pittsburg has been talked about: Jaden Schwartz for Simon Despres. Despers seems like a perfect fit for Petro's partner in the long term, and reading through his strengths reads like a "what we want Petro's partner to be" description. The value isn't particularly high, but with our glut of talent on the wings everywhere in the organization, I think this is a trade that improves us right now. Despres seems to be ready to line up at the NHL level today, and we don't lose anything that hurts us now in the short term, and while losing Schwartz as McDonald's replacement hurts in the long term, who knows how long exactly that's going to be.

Just curious on how many others agree that this is a solid trade for us

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12-06-2012, 09:26 AM
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If we are moving Schwartz, we shouldn't settle. Even though Despres will probably be pretty good, I think Schwartz will be better. Despres is not enough of an upgrade over Cole to make a deal.

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I took the old Schwartz for Gormley dead back to the Trade Forum, and got basically the same response: Solid Value, but not something Coyotes fans wanted to pull the trigger on.

However a very interesting counter offer from Pittsburg has been talked about: Jaden Schwartz for Simon Despres. Despers seems like a perfect fit for Petro's partner in the long term, and reading through his strengths reads like a "what we want Petro's partner to be" description. The value isn't particularly high, but with our glut of talent on the wings everywhere in the organization, I think this is a trade that improves us right now. Despres seems to be ready to line up at the NHL level today, and we don't lose anything that hurts us now in the short term, and while losing Schwartz as McDonald's replacement hurts in the long term, who knows how long exactly that's going to be.

Just curious on how many others agree that this is a solid trade for us
PHX fans act is if it wouldnt be a good idea for them to get a forward. Losing Whitney is going to kill there offense this year and that organization is really only in a position to trade prospects IMO.

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12-06-2012, 10:09 AM
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PHX fans act is if it wouldnt be a good idea for them to get a forward. Losing Whitney is going to kill there offense this year and that organization is really only in a position to trade prospects IMO.
I'm thinking many of them would rather wait and see, and then trade Yandle. He is the most proven, and has the biggest contract. Trading him for forward help, sliding OEL into his spot, and sliding Gormley into OEL's current could result in significant $ savings for that team. Something to keep in mind, they are in worse shape financially than us.

With the price and term on Yandle's contract, they could get some nice help up front that is locked-up on good contracts already.

Anyway, not saying this is what they will do. Just that it would make some sense to approach it this way for financial reasons.

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I'm thinking many of them would rather wait and see, and then trade Yandle. He is the most proven, and has the biggest contract. Trading him for forward help, sliding OEL into his spot, and sliding Gormley into OEL's current could result in significant $ savings for that team. Something to keep in mind, they are in worse shape financially than us.

With the price and term on Yandle's contract, they could get some nice help up front that is locked-up on good contracts already.

Anyway, not saying this is what they will do. Just that it would make some sense to approach it this way for financial reasons.
They could get great value for Yandle as well, but if the Coyotes want to stay in PHX, they MUST stay competitive. They made there run last season on great defense and goal tending. Add that to the fact they will most likely be way under the cap minimum, makes me think they cant part ways with Yandle. They also need to give Gormley a shot playing in the NHL.

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01-01-2013, 10:04 AM
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It makes sense that new ownership wants to see where the cap will be and what the results of the new CBA will be before making any deals.

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01-10-2013, 11:17 AM
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What would it take to pick up Orlov from the Caps? I'd imagine the cost would be pretty steep, but he is a young lefty D-man who would help Tarasenko get adjusted.

Rattie and a 1st? Too much?

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01-10-2013, 11:48 AM
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Washington has no reason to deal him. I'd do just the first...If they decline, we'll find someone else.

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01-10-2013, 12:39 PM
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JR said we aren't looking anymore. I think Hitch and Army like what they saw out of Cole in Peoria, and the price of available defensemen wasn't worth it.

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01-10-2013, 02:41 PM
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Geeze these defensive pairings just look pretty bad to me:

Russell-Pietrangelo
Jackman-Polak
Cole-Shattenkirk

I don't like that at all.

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01-10-2013, 02:51 PM
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I still don't see NHL in Cole. I think he will be a disaster this year, racking up penalty minutes and stupiud blind passes resulting in breakaways

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01-10-2013, 03:01 PM
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Remember how he helped Pietrangelo shutdown Crosby?

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01-10-2013, 03:09 PM
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Gut feeling says Matt D'Agostini is traded by the end of the season.

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Yeah I honestly feel more comfortable with Cole with Pietrangelo than Russell. We know Russell-Polak and Jackman-Shattenkirk can already play well together so just keep them together. The only question is Cole. So I don't see how changing all 3 pairings so there's a question mark on all 3 instead of just one helps at all. I would stay with what we had. I still want to acquire another d-man but Colaiacovo to Cole can't be that big of a change.

Also bleedblue where did JR say the Blues aren't looking anymore? Just read in his chat that he says he's sure they're still looking, but maybe I missed something.

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01-10-2013, 03:18 PM
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Yeah I honestly feel more comfortable with Cole with Pietrangelo than Russell. We know Russell-Polak and Jackman-Shattenkirk can already play well together so just keep them together. The only question is Cole. So I don't see how changing all 3 pairings so there's a question mark on all 3 instead of just one helps at all. I would stay with what we had. I still want to acquire another d-man but Colaiacovo to Cole can't be that big of a change.

Also bleedblue where did JR say the Blues aren't looking anymore? Just read in his chat that he says he's sure they're still looking, but maybe I missed something.
There was an article.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...35c3817ba.html

They might still be looking, but a deal is doubtful.

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Yeah I honestly feel more comfortable with Cole with Pietrangelo than Russell. We know Russell-Polak and Jackman-Shattenkirk can already play well together so just keep them together. The only question is Cole. So I don't see how changing all 3 pairings so there's a question mark on all 3 instead of just one helps at all. I would stay with what we had. I still want to acquire another d-man but Colaiacovo to Cole can't be that big of a change.

Also bleedblue where did JR say the Blues aren't looking anymore? Just read in his chat that he says he's sure they're still looking, but maybe I missed something.
That's pretty much where I stand also. We know that Jackman and Shattenkirk play well together, we know that Russell and Polak play well together, and we know that Pietrangelo and Cole HAVE played well together on occasion, so why not let them try to find some chemistry? I don't see the point in rearranging every pairing just so Cole doesn't have to play top minutes. I'm not excited about Cole playing all those minutes either, but he's our best option. Petro made Huskins and Colaiacovo look like serviceable Dmen most of the time, surely Cole can't be THAT big of a step down. If he is, why is he in your lineup to begin with?

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