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LW John Gaudreau - Boston College, HE (2011, 104th overall, Calgary)

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11-17-2012, 07:19 PM
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4th round picks are basically throwaways so I like taking a flyer on a player who's gonna do all that he can to prove himself.

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11-17-2012, 09:19 PM
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5'8. 153 lb.


Really???

The second he gains the weight necessary to withstand NHL defenseman he's going to lose that speed and agility that's allowed him to become an NCAA star.

I don't see it with him. It's like Toni Rajala a few years back.
Such an uneducated comment (but then again, you probably think of training as in bodybuilding and that hockey players do hours and hours of curls)

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11-17-2012, 09:31 PM
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Haha, what? It was Kreider this, Kreider that for the last two years from Rangers fans. He was always a top prospect. And the facts are that Gaudreau was one point behind Kreider's Junior season as a freshman!
I'm talking about top prospects in hockey not just 1 of the 30 teams.

his stock really improved overall among all top prospects last year.

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And at this point, Gaudreau's size hasn't hampered him at all. He's out competing 6'3-230 pound, 24 year old defensemen, when we were all told he couldn't sustain his USHL production in the NCAA. It's no guarantee he'll be in the NHL, but to dismiss him for his size at this point is just foolish.
At this point it's still only the NCAA, looking at other small guys who ahve excelled and won the Hobey it's still a long way from top prospect status never mind the "steal of the draft."

No one is dismissing him but people should be realistic about the odds here.

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11-17-2012, 09:55 PM
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We all saw what Jordan Schroeder did in his draft year and as a Canucks fan I was thrilled that he dropped to us but his skillset hasn't translated into pro success and he is thicker than John is.

He excelled in the WJC as an 18 year old then looked not quite as good as a 19 year old (which is what Johnny is this year) but still had a good series.

People really under esitmate the transition to the pros for small guys can be extremely tough.

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11-17-2012, 09:59 PM
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I'm talking about top prospects in hockey not just 1 of the 30 teams.

his stock really improved overall among all top prospects last year.



At this point it's still only the NCAA, looking at other small guys who ahve excelled and won the Hobey it's still a long way from top prospect status never mind the "steal of the draft."

No one is dismissing him but people should be realistic about the odds here.
Sure he was thrust in the spotlight because of the playoffs, but any educated fan knew that the Rangers had a gem well before that.

In the last 10 years, there's only been one sophomore who's won the Hobey Baker. And Gaudreau is smaller.

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11-17-2012, 11:47 PM
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Sure he was thrust in the spotlight because of the playoffs, but any educated fan knew that the Rangers had a gem well before that.
Yes and alot of that hype, praise ect.. was because of the way he can skate and his size. Size translates a little better to the pro game all things being equal.

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In the last 10 years, there's only been one sophomore who's won the Hobey Baker. And Gaudreau is smaller.
I don't know if he is going to win the Hobey or not but either way it's not going to affect his NHL chances.

Until he actually hits the pros he will be a hyped prospect that is really small and yes like every prospect he will have something to prove in the pros.

His chances are less and were less than Kreider because of his size plain and simple.

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11-18-2012, 12:00 AM
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We all saw what Jordan Schroeder did in his draft year and as a Canucks fan I was thrilled that he dropped to us but his skillset hasn't translated into pro success and he is thicker than John is.

He excelled in the WJC as an 18 year old then looked not quite as good as a 19 year old (which is what Johnny is this year) but still had a good series.

People really under esitmate the transition to the pros for small guys can be extremely tough.
Schroeder had 1 amazing season at 17 but wasn't able to reproduce it until he had a solid season last year unlike JG who had a ppg season his first year in the NCAA and is now producing at 1.4ppg this season, not only that they are extremely different players Schroeder is a solid offensive player with a very good defensive game where as JG has a much higher offensive talent.

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Gaudreau has the perfect playing style for overcoming small stature; he's incredibly shifty, quick, high IQ, and a great passer. All the traits for small players to overcome their size, he has in spades, as well as having a ridiculous skill set overall. So if anyone at that size can make the NHL then it's him.
People underestimate how hard it can be to actually hit a small player sometimes. Yeah its going to be easy for a 6 foot, 215 pound forward to manhandle a 5 foot 8, 170 pound forward on the boards, or how easy it will be for a 6 foot 2, 210 pound dman to push him from the front of the net, but how often are those tow actually going to be able to put hands on him?

Not as often as you think. That's why I hated little guys as a giant dman. They wee so shifty and could change direction so fast, it was hard to get a bead on them.

Your not going to see Gaudreau fighting for a puck along the boards, using his size to push players out of the way, or seeing him fighting for position in front of the net to try and tip a shot. That's not his game. So why would he need body size for that?

Seriously, look at one of the most successful players in the past 10 years: Martin St Louis. He's virtually the same height, and only 170 pounds and he's a dynamo on the ice.

It's just idiotic to write a guy off on size alone.

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11-19-2012, 07:40 PM
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People underestimate how hard it can be to actually hit a small player sometimes. Yeah its going to be easy for a 6 foot, 215 pound forward to manhandle a 5 foot 8, 170 pound forward on the boards, or how easy it will be for a 6 foot 2, 210 pound dman to push him from the front of the net, but how often are those tow actually going to be able to put hands on him?

Not as often as you think. That's why I hated little guys as a giant dman. They wee so shifty and could change direction so fast, it was hard to get a bead on them.

Your not going to see Gaudreau fighting for a puck along the boards, using his size to push players out of the way, or seeing him fighting for position in front of the net to try and tip a shot. That's not his game. So why would he need body size for that?

Seriously, look at one of the most successful players in the past 10 years: Martin St Louis. He's virtually the same height, and only 170 pounds and he's a dynamo on the ice.

It's just idiotic to write a guy off on size alone.
People like to play the odds so they can look back and say they were right, regardless of the players skill level. It's up to the player to use that for motivation.

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11-24-2012, 05:51 PM
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Gaudreau with a 5 point game today.

19 points in 11 games so far this season.

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11-24-2012, 06:16 PM
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Gaudreau with a 5 point game today.

19 points in 11 games so far this season.
I watched the whole game.. The kid is one of the most skilled hockey players I have ever watched. I'm not being a homer, it's legit. He did get knocked over pretty hard on his first goal... Was a little worried. I can't wait to see him put on a few pounds of muscle!

2G 3A today for him in a 6-3 BC win.

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11-24-2012, 07:04 PM
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How does he compare to a guy like Brendan Gallagher?

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How does he compare to a guy like Brendan Gallagher?
Not as gritty as Gallagher, huge upside too.

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Not as gritty as Gallagher, huge upside too.
Gallagher can play bottom six if he can't make it into a scoring role. The same can't be said about JG. He'll really boom or bust.

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Gallagher can play bottom six if he can't make it into a scoring role. The same can't be said about JG. He'll really boom or bust.
Maybe, but Gaudreau is a lot more skilled. Much more upside to him.

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Gallagher can play bottom six if he can't make it into a scoring role. The same can't be said about JG. He'll really boom or bust.
And this point of view is based on hard science, I bet.

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11-24-2012, 08:20 PM
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And this point of view is based on hard science, I bet.
Name a single 5'8'' bottom 6 forward without a physical/defensive element to his game?

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Maybe, but Gaudreau is a lot more skilled. Much more upside to him.
Didn't Gallagher had three straight 40+ goals seasons?

And he's currently doing quite well in the AHL. Most Habs fan pencil him as a good 2nd line winger that could give you 30/30 seasons. A more talented, grittier version of Gionta.

What's Gaudreau's upside? Because being that much more skilled than Gallagher implies that he could become a PPG player in the big league.

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Didn't Gallagher had three straight 40+ goals seasons?

And he's currently doing quite well in the AHL. Most Habs fan pencil him as a good 2nd line winger that could give you 30/30 seasons. A more talented, grittier version of Gionta.

What's Gaudreau's upside? Because being that much more skilled than Gallagher implies that he could become a PPG player in the big league.
He projects to be a first line forward if he reaches his peak, many Flames fans believe he is more skilled than Sven just depends on him translating.

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And he's currently doing quite well in the AHL. Most Habs fan pencil him as a good 2nd line winger that could give you 30/30 seasons. A more talented, grittier version of Gionta.
He's doing pretty well in the AHL, and very well might be a 2nd line winger if he continues his development. Gionta is a good comparison...but he'd be a slower, more in your face version with not as hard as a slapper and perhaps not as gifted hand-eye wise. I can't really say he's more talented but if he develops into anything close to a Gionta Habs fans will be thrilled.

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He projects to be a first line forward if he reaches his peak, many Flames fans believe he is more skilled than Sven just depends on him translating.
Those flames fans would be wrong.

Gaudreau is a very good player, but Baertschi is on a whole other talent level.

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And this point of view is based on hard science, I bet.
Actually it's based on my observations from when he played for the Giants. Plays a lot like Gerber. He just is taller than Gerber by 3-4 inches.

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Those flames fans would be wrong.

Gaudreau is a very good player, but Baertschi is on a whole other talent level.
No they aren't. I can see it being debatable, but Gaudreau in terms of pure talent is right there with Baertschi if not better. The biggest difference between the pair is Baertschi at this point appears he will be at worst a 2nd line winger. With Gaudreau he will still have to see how his size plays an impact, so his downside is possibly not being an NHLer.

Gaudreau has also shown a clutch ability to score that Baertschi hasn't shown. Gaudreau has more game winning goals this year for Boston College in 11 games than Baertschi had all of last season. Gaudreau has also won a league championship in each of his past 2 years being the MVP for both teams and looks to be on track to do it again. Sven was never able to lead a stacked Portland team to a league Championship in 2 tries in the WHL championship series.

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No they aren't. I can see it being debatable, but Gaudreau in terms of pure talent is right there with Baertschi if not better. The biggest difference between the pair is Baertschi at this point appears he will be at worst a 2nd line winger. With Gaudreau he will still have to see how his size plays an impact, so his downside is possibly not being an NHLer.

Gaudreau has also shown a clutch ability to score that Baertschi hasn't shown. Gaudreau has more game winning goals this year for Boston College in 11 games than Baertschi had all of last season. Gaudreau has also won a league championship in each of his past 2 years being the MVP for both teams and looks to be on track to do it again. Sven was never able to lead a stacked Portland team to a league Championship in 2 tries in the WHL championship series.
Clutch ability to score? Baertschi lead the playoffs in scoring.

After seeing both players on the same ice surface, it really wasnt even close to me. They have similar talent, but Baertschi just does it easier. He oozed talent and explosiveness that Gaudreau just didn't.

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Clutch ability to score? Baertschi lead the playoffs in scoring.

After seeing both players on the same ice surface, it really wasnt even close to me. They have similar talent, but Baertschi just does it easier. He oozed talent and explosiveness that Gaudreau just didn't.
Sure he produced in the post season, but playoff points is not the same as scoring when your team needs it the most. Sven was shutout in games 6 & 7 against Edmonton in the finals last year.

I am also not saying Sven has no clutch ability, in fact I think he will be a decent clutch performer for the Flames but Gaudreau's ability to score a big goal or make a big play to set up a big goal is off the charts.

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