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11-26-2012, 08:54 AM
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good point.... I dont know why but i have this hunch that our pick is going to e Pulock...No reason for me to think that other than a feeling...
Ya, looks like he's got a lot to offer, and not just statistically.

I had a chance to talk to him once and he made a very humble, positive and level-headed impression. Seemed to be a guy who knows just where he stands, what he's got to offer and how to stay within himself in completing his job on the ice.

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Lindholm is interesting he could be one of the best fowards to come out... if your picking in the top 10 your getting a good player/prospect...
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Elias Lidholm is a much better prospect than Forsberg was last year, he is a center but right now he is playing in the LW with Calle Jamrok as a center in the second line. He will be a super pick with a #10 selection, but is the same kind of player that Strome so .. i think we need other type of players, anyways if you pick BPA, Lidholm will be the BPA with a 10-15 pick.
He's gotten a lot of positive attention from the Swedish press and people have really been bringing up the name Forsberg at times, and I'm talking 'Peter'. Looking at things statistically, we're talking about a kid who will first turn 18 in six days and he's already second on his team in scoring in one of the top men's leagues around. Only Detroit prospect Calle Jarnkrok is ahead of him.

I'd like to add that the SEL is, seen in its entirety, a relatively lower-scoring league. Of the topscorers, only 4 are scoring at even a PPG clip.

Elias has 5-11-16 (26th in the league) and a -2 in 26 games, 4 of which were spent just about entirely on the bench (didn't really take a somewhat regular shift until game 5 or 6). He's a righty shot and has been getting some PP time. He's definitely one to follow.

With a big WJC, he might even really gain some clout with the scouts. I think (not sure) he may still be eligible for the U-18 as well.

Speaking of the WJC, I've gotta wonder how especially the Canadian media coverage will look, considering Ufa, Russia is a bit off the beaten track. There'll be a big time difference and just about every team is going to feel farrrrrr from home.

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Did you just miss the last draft where we took Griffin Reinhart, Ville Pokka and Adam Pelech? As well as 4 other defensemen. Not to mention guys like Donovan, deHaan, Kichton, Russo, Mayfield, Pedan, etc. clogging up our system.

If we are sitting at pick 6 or 7 and decide to take a guy like Ristolainen, I'll be fine with it because he'd warrant being picked in that area. But if we are picking earlier than that and pass on guys like Lindholm and Drouin and Monahan for a guy like Ristolainen, that would just completely confuse me.

This team has no reason to be drafting for "need" at this point.
I think the cool thing is that you're pretty right in stating that there is no direct need at the moment. The team's prospect cupboard is fairly stocked up front and on the blueline. They'll already be facing a number of decisions in the next few summers.

Man, it's very refreshing just to write that.

They can truly just grab whoever they really, really like (as if they don't do that anyway:-)) and boy does this top 12-18 look like a great group.

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The only true "need" I can see would be at goaltender, considering after Nilsson and Poulin we basically have nothing. However, unless we pick towards the end of the 1st round, there really isn't a goalie that would warrant being taken with our first pick.
At the moment, Fucale seems to be the only goalie who'd go within the top 20. Dunno if this team would actually grab a goalie in round 1 whatsoever. I guess much of that would definitely have to do with how Nilsson and Poulin present themselves in the course of this season, much less whether they truly see Koskinen as ever being a real NHL option (and looking at what he does in Finland, I'd have to think he still has at least good back-up potential - just a matter of when).

In general though, if I had to gander at this point, the chances are fairly good that they'd add another goalie at some juncture in the draft.

If we're picking top 10, judging by the Islanders' tendencies in the Snow era, it'll likely be a forward, especially if a high-scoring winger who could look good with Tavares can be detected.

But the depth we currently have up front and on the blueline means this one is really wide open.


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There is this kid named Griffin Reinhart, look him up.

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I'm not sure that there is a player that is projected to go in the first round that I would be upset with. As others have stated above, we really have a stocked cupboard so we can swing for the fences. The only thing I'm upset about is losing our second round pick, but at this juncture in the rebuild I don't think it will be a big loss. I would just hate to see a good prospect drop into the early second and us missing out on another Mayfeild situation.

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I think the cool thing is that at the moment, you're pretty right in stating that there is no direct need at the moment. The team's prospect cupboard is fairly stocked up front and on the blueline.

Man, it's very refreshing just to write that.

They can truly just grab whoever they really, really like (as if they don't do that anyway:-)) and boy does this top 12-18 look like a great group.



At the moment, Fucale seems to be the only goalie who'd go within the top 20. Dunno if this team would actually grab a goalie in round 1 whatsoever. I guess much of that would definitely have to do with how Nilsson and Poulin present themselves in the course of this season, much less whether they truly see Koskinen as ever being a real NHL option (and looking at what he does in Finland, I'd have to think he still has at least good back-up potential - just a matter of when).

In general though, if I had to gander at this point, the chances are fairly good that they'd add another goalie at some juncture in the draft.

If we're picking top 10, judging by the Islanders' tendencies in the Snow era, it'll likely be a forward, especially if a high-scoring winger who could look good with Tavares can be detected.

But the depth we currently have up front and on the blueline means this one is really wide open.
I agree that they will probably take a goalie at some point in this next draft, and I agree that it most likely won't be in the 1st round(even if we get unlucky and pick in the bottom half of it). I think since a lot of teams have had luck with finding goalies after round one that it wouldn't really make sense to use our top pick on a goaltender(especially considering we don't have a 2nd rounder) unless this team A) picks late in the round and B) falls in love with Fucale. I just don't see option A happening though(at least I hope it doesn't).

My absolute dream scenario would be getting a shot at one of the big-4 after MacKinnon. If we can walk away from the draft with either of Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan or Drouin, I could see the Isles using Nelson as trade bait to bring in a veteran top-4 defenseman.

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Exactly. If anything, I think we need another PMD more than we need a stay-at-home guy. Considering I expect Visnovsky to walk, the only PMD we will have on the roster will be Streit, who is 35 years old. Other than that, we have deHaan, Donovan, Ness, Russo and Kichton who fit that description in our system. One of those guys looks prone to injury, and 3 of them are longshots to even become NHL regulars. That leaves Donovan, but if he fails we are looking extremely thin.

I wouldn't mind picking a PMD at some point during the next draft, but hopefully we can sign(Edler) or trade(Yandle) for one and save ourselves the trouble of waiting for them to develop(or not develop).


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Depending where we wind up, I really like Barkov and Pulock. If Barkov is truly a sniper, and we are in position to draft him, I hope we take him, will be watching him like a hawk at the WJHC. As far as Pulock, we truly don't have a prospect like him. Our only TRUE offensive defenseman in our system is Donovan. Pulock gives us that puck rushing, offense from the red line that we don't possess at this moment. Draft is a long way away, and as always, I like pretty much everyone in the top 15. As long as we wind up in the top 15 (if there is no season), I'd be happy with any of those guys. I'm a Shinkaruk fan as well as far as getting a sniper.

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Depending where we wind up, I really like Barkov and Pulock. If Barkov is truly a sniper, and we are in position to draft him, I hope we take him, will be watching him like a hawk at the WJHC. As far as Pulock, we truly don't have a prospect like him. Our only TRUE offensive defenseman in our system is Donovan. Pulock gives us that puck rushing, offense from the red line that we don't possess at this moment. Draft is a long way away, and as always, I like pretty much everyone in the top 15. As long as we wind up in the top 15 (if there is no season), I'd be happy with any of those guys. I'm a Shinkaruk fan as well as far as getting a sniper.


reminds me of Skinner. I wouldnt be mad with that.

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Here's something I came across on the main board and found it really interesting.

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So i decided to break down the first round of the draft a little more indepthly. I've read a number of studies on the average likelyhood of draft picks succeeding, but i found the studies to either be too broad (using "averaged" probability for entire rounds, or considering 3rd liners/bottom pairing D's "successful") or too narrow (looking only for "elite" talent).

So to get a decent middle grounds I looked at the rate at which each pick in the first round developed into a top 6 or top 4 d man.

criteria for study:

10 years study (99-08 draft) I have excluded previous years due to changing nature of game and change of draft. I would like to revisit this and add more years, but i believe criteria will need to be adjusted for different "era's"

Forwards: Scored at 45 pts/82gp rate in 2 or more season, with at least 35 games played in each season or 1 season if it was last year.

defensemen: ETOI/per game of 19 minutes + in at least 2 or more seasons, with at least 35 games played, or one season if it was last year.

draft table. A 1 designates success where a 0 designates failure (Failure does not mean total bust, just did not meet the criteria laid out).

YEAR123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930TOTALAvg % success
20081111000001010010100101000110001240
20071110111010010100000001000100001136.67
20061111111001110000010001101001001550.00
20051110100100110000001010010000101136.67
20041101100010001110000110100110101446.67
20031111111111101100101100110001001963.33
20021111111100111100100000011000001550.00
20011101011010011000001110100000001240.00
20001111110000001000010110010001101343.33
1999011010000000000110001000010000723.33

Totals (success count in players and probability)

pick123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930Average
Total successful players out of 1091087865343465421423553442423304.3
Avg percent chance of success90100807080605030403040605040201040203050503040402040203030043

Probability by 5 pick "blocks"

BlockAvg % 
1 to 584 
6 to 1042 
11 to 1542 
16 to 2030 
21 to 2536 
26 to 3024 



The Low down

Average success in the first round: 42.3%
Average success outside of the top 5: 34.8%
Average success in the bottom 15: 30%
Average amount of players per year: 12


highest rate of success: pick # 2: 100% success rate
Highest rate of success outside of top 5: 6,7,12,13,20,21

top 5: 84% 1st over all 90% #2: 100%, #3: 80%, #4: 70%, #5: 80%. - Obviously the most successful block of 5. Nothing outlandish here. Your top 3 picks are pretty much the only spots your gauraunteed a top 6 player.

6-10: 42% 6: 60%, 7: 50%, 8: 30%, 9: 40%, 10: 30% -As found initially, a very sharp drop off from this and the last category. A pick in the 8, 9, 10 range really is not worth the value it seems to hold.

11-15: 42%11: 40%, 12: 60%, 13: 50%, 14: 40%, 15: 20%-Interesting to noe that outside the top 7, picks 12 and 13 are the best bang for your buck both with suprisingly higher success rates then a number of picks in front of them. If not for the poor success rate of pick # 15, this block would be better then the block before it.

16-20: 30%16: 10%, 17:40%, 18: 20%, 19: 30%, 20: 50% - An interesting block in that it is worse then both the block before it and after it, with it's strongest pick being it's last at number 20. The anomaly of how poorly pick # 16 performs is interesting to note.

21-25: 36% 21: 50%, 22: 30%, 23: 40%, 24: 40%, 25: 20% - Surpising...4 of the 5 picks in this block have the same statistical returns as those in the 6-10 block. Pick 21 is interesting to say the least. That top 10 sure isn't looking that swell anymore...

26-30: 24% 26: 40%, 27: 20%, 28:30%, 29: 30%, 30: 0% - Value sure can still be found for the cup contenders in the tail end of the draft, unfortunately just not for the cup winner. Over the 10 drafts examined not a single 30th overall pick became an impact player.

to sum it up, Whats it All Mean?

We can draw a number of conclusions based off this though its hardly concrete (a much bigger sample size would be ideal).

Conclusion number 1: 1st round picks are overrated

It's true, especially here on HFBoards where the 1st round pick is worth it's weight in gold. In the offseason, when nothings been determined for the following year, that pick has only a 43% chance of being anything more then 3rd pairing or 3rd line grinder. A good third liner that's not on the wrong side of 30 should be considered a decent return for 1st round pick from a top 15(standings) team. As shown above, outside of the top 5 thats a less then 35% chance of being more then a third liner, and a 305 chance in the bottom 15.

Conclusion Number 2: Trading up is a bad idea

Given the cost often associated with trading up, GM's are certainly almost always better off sitting tight. In fact, it can be argued that if your sitting just inside the top 10 (8th-10th) you should be burning up the phone lines trying to find that gm with the 2 first rounders in the bottom 13 for you. Even in the final 5, if your not sitting 30th, it hardly seems worth moving any additional assets for 10% increase in probability of landing something meaningful. On the flipside, the Stanley cup champ should always move his first rounder.

Of course, GM's will always trust their scouts and trade to get "their guy" but in a non-specific situation, it doesn't seem worth it.


Conclusion Number 3: Go Easy on Your Prospects

It definitely seems that the idea is every first round pick is almost guaranteed to be a top 6 player, and has a good shot at being a "first liner"- that is simply not the case. The average success rate of becoming a top 6, through the whole draft, is only 42%.

Outside of the top 5, it drops to 34.8%.

so outside of the top 5, you less then a 35% chance of drafting a top 6 or top 4 player, meaning the vast majority of your coveted first round prospects or those even given the title of "blue chipper" are quite far from a sure bet.

Final thoughts:

Hopefully this helps highlight a more accurate and realistic sense of worth for First round picks. Correcting for the high success rate in the top 5 is integral to not only properly understanding the likelihood of your prospect developing, but understanding what really is "a good deal". This is be no means a completed study as a much larger sample size would be ideal, but I think it does do a good job of adding a little perspective to the much ballyhoo'd First Day of the Draft.

Comments/Criticisms Encouraged. If any more advanced statheads would like to work on doing something similar with "better" criteria, i'd be all for that.

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Steve Santini. Defensman from Long Island.

My brother played for his father on the Apple Core. Good hockey Family.

Hes got good size and is a RHS, people say he could be Dan Girardi. We dont have a 2nd but if he ends uo somhow being available in the 3rd round we should take a look at him..

Craig Button is high on him.

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Depending where we wind up, I really like Barkov and Pulock. If Barkov is truly a sniper, and we are in position to draft him, I hope we take him, will be watching him like a hawk at the WJHC. As far as Pulock, we truly don't have a prospect like him. Our only TRUE offensive defenseman in our system is Donovan. Pulock gives us that puck rushing, offense from the red line that we don't possess at this moment. Draft is a long way away, and as always, I like pretty much everyone in the top 15. As long as we wind up in the top 15 (if there is no season), I'd be happy with any of those guys. I'm a Shinkaruk fan as well as far as getting a sniper.
He's not a sniper. He has excellent hockey sense, knows where to be at the right time and has decent shot but he's not a sniper.

He does have 30+ goal ability, imo.

Joe Thornton of now is a good comparison.

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Morgan Klimchuk is rising of late. His style is being compared to Patrick Marleau's.

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Seth Jones is my favorite player in this draft. Could you imagine if we drafted him!! He's got true #1 talent. Size, speed, scoring ability, toughness and leadership.


Seth Jones 6'3 Griffin Reinhart 6'4
Travis Hamonic Calvin de Haan or Robbie Russo
Scott Mayfield 6'4 Andrey Pedan 6'4
Adam Pelech Ville Pokka or Matt Donovan

I just listed 10 players. Seth Jones is the only one that actually isn't an Islander (yet).. .... Out of those 10 players, 4 are 6'3 or taller.

Even without Jones, the D looks awesome. If de Haan isn't our new PP specialist/puck moving D man, then that may be our only hole... But we sure have a lot of physical D men that can skate and move the puck.. None seem to have that extra something special with the puck outside of de Haan, but we all know his situation.

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Seth Jones is my favorite player in this draft. Could you imagine if we drafted him!! He's got true #1 talent. Size, speed, scoring ability, toughness and leadership.


Seth Jones 6'3 Griffin Reinhart 6'4
Travis Hamonic Calvin de Haan or Robbie Russo
Scott Mayfield 6'4 Andrey Pedan 6'4
Adam Pelech Ville Pokka or Matt Donovan

I just listed 10 players. Seth Jones is the only one that actually isn't an Islander (yet).. .... Out of those 10 players, 4 are 6'3 or taller.

Even without Jones, the D looks awesome. If de Haan isn't our new PP specialist/puck moving D man, then that may be our only hole... But we sure have a lot of physical D men that can skate and move the puck.. None seem to have that extra something special with the puck outside of de Haan, but we all know his situation.

That would be Unreal...If all reach close to thier potential...I love the size...


On Pelech I actually wanted the team to draft him in the 2nd round, cant believe he fell to the 3rd... I dont know if he will have much of an offensive game in the pros like he is showing in juniors

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Seth Jones is my favorite player in this draft. Could you imagine if we drafted him!! He's got true #1 talent. Size, speed, scoring ability, toughness and leadership.


Seth Jones 6'3 Griffin Reinhart 6'4
Travis Hamonic Calvin de Haan or Robbie Russo
Scott Mayfield 6'4 Andrey Pedan 6'4
Adam Pelech Ville Pokka or Matt Donovan

I just listed 10 players. Seth Jones is the only one that actually isn't an Islander (yet).. .... Out of those 10 players, 4 are 6'3 or taller.

Even without Jones, the D looks awesome. If de Haan isn't our new PP specialist/puck moving D man, then that may be our only hole... But we sure have a lot of physical D men that can skate and move the puck.. None seem to have that extra something special with the puck outside of de Haan, but we all know his situation.
I absolutely love Jones and what he projects to be. It would really be a boon to the Isles if they could get their hands on him. Our defense corps would actually be the strength of this team with Jones and the expected development of Reinhart and any one of the other big boys. Forwards of opposing teams would need to keep their heads up when entering the offensive zone because it would be like a cattle farm with all the beef.

For once though, it looks like the Isles can just draft the BPA and not have to worry about need as the system is well stocked. This year is shaping up to be a strong draft. I'd love a sniper or a RH defenseman, also a goalie somewhere would be nice.

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Seth Jones is my favorite player in this draft. Could you imagine if we drafted him!! He's got true #1 talent. Size, speed, scoring ability, toughness and leadership.


Seth Jones 6'3 Griffin Reinhart 6'4
Travis Hamonic Calvin de Haan or Robbie Russo
Scott Mayfield 6'4 Andrey Pedan 6'4
Adam Pelech Ville Pokka or Matt Donovan

I just listed 10 players. Seth Jones is the only one that actually isn't an Islander (yet).. .... Out of those 10 players, 4 are 6'3 or taller.

Even without Jones, the D looks awesome. If de Haan isn't our new PP specialist/puck moving D man, then that may be our only hole... But we sure have a lot of physical D men that can skate and move the puck.. None seem to have that extra something special with the puck outside of de Haan, but we all know his situation.
As much as I would love to see Jones in an Islanders uniform, I just don't think they have that kind of luck.

I just saw Zadorov recently and I really love his game. Button seems to be in love with him as well putting him in his top 10. If the Islanders ended up with him, their system would probably have the best collection of big, badass defensemen in the league.

Hamonic
Reinhart (not particularly mean)
Zadorov
Pelech
Mayfield
Pedan

I'm pretty sure Garth's intent would then be clear: build a blueline full of big bruisers to go up against Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, Kovalchuk, Nash, Gaborik, etc. in the division. It almost seems as though that's what he's up to regardless if they take Zadorov or not. I really like Pulock, however, and would prefer they end up with a more offensive type like him to balance some of these defensive defensemen. I know Pelech is putting up points, I just don't see it translating.

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As much as I would love to see Jones in an Islanders uniform, I just don't think they have that kind of luck.

I just saw Zadorov recently and I really love his game. Button seems to be in love with him as well putting him in his top 10. If the Islanders ended up with him, their system would probably have the best collection of big, badass defensemen in the league.

Hamonic
Reinhart (not particularly mean)
Zadorov
Pelech
Mayfield
Pedan

I'm pretty sure Garth's intent would then be clear: build a blueline full of big bruisers to go up against Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, Kovalchuk, Nash, Gaborik, etc. in the division. It almost seems as though that's what he's up to regardless if they take Zadorov or not. I really like Pulock, however, and would prefer they end up with a more offensive type like him to balance some of these defensive defensemen. I know Pelech is putting up points, I just don't see it translating.
That defensive lineup would give me goosebumps...

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That defensive lineup would give me goosebumps...
And who would make the killer outlet pass? QB the PP?

I would prefer adding one more piece up front. We drafted all defensemen last year for a reason. If we go defense in the first round this year that wouldn't exactly be a ringing endorsement of what we did last year would it?

We need more size at center, Nelson is going to play wing in the NHL.

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From 1998 - 2010 the NYI have only drafted SIX defensemen in the 1st or 2nd rounds.

2009 Entry Calvin de Haan
2008 Entry Aaron Ness
2008 Entry Travis Hamonic
2005 Entry Dustin Kohn
1999 Entry Branislav Mezei
1999 Entry Kristian Kudroc

Hamonic is the only player on this list who's any good (waiting on CDH)

Outside the top two rounds, only these players have played more than 50 NHL games:

Jared Spurgeon
Andrew MacDonald
Chris Campoli
Bruno Gervais
Radek Martinek

Whether it's drafting or developing, I'm not sure, but this track record is pretty putrid.

Now, it is different GMs, scouts, player development people, but still.

I'm still hopeful regarding Reinhart, Mayfield, Pedan, Pelech and deHaan & Donovan as well. So we will wait and see.

But let's not be so quick to pat anyone on the back for a job well done just yet.

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And who would make the killer outlet pass? QB the PP?

I would prefer adding one more piece up front. We drafted all defensemen last year for a reason. If we go defense in the first round this year that wouldn't exactly be a ringing endorsement of what we did last year would it?

We need more size at center, Nelson is going to play wing in the NHL.
C'mon, that lineup obviously lacks a true offensive defenseman, but can you just appreciate the sheer physical dominance they would have.

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And who would make the killer outlet pass? QB the PP?
All are capable of making outlet passes, nevertheless, it was a thought not a desire. If you asked me which defenseman I think the Isles would take out of Zadorov, Morrissey, Pulock, Ristolainen, and Nurse I would say Morrissey. He is a blend of offense, skating, and occasional big hits combined with overall smarts and lot of room for growth. Plus he's a riser and you know Snow loves his risers.

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I would prefer adding one more piece up front. We drafted all defensemen last year for a reason. If we go defense in the first round this year that wouldn't exactly be a ringing endorsement of what we did last year would it?
BPA, always. If you base your current draft choice based on what you did last year you're doomed for failure.
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We need more size at center, Nelson is going to play wing in the NHL.
I'm going to start betting all of you that think these natural centers are going to be converted to wing. I'll make so much money.

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From 1998 - 2010 the NYI have only drafted SIX defensemen in the 1st or 2nd rounds.

2009 Entry Calvin de Haan
2008 Entry Aaron Ness
2008 Entry Travis Hamonic
2005 Entry Dustin Kohn
1999 Entry Branislav Mezei
1999 Entry Kristian Kudroc
That really isn't many, and surely not much of an impressive bunch.

I know of at least one time in that period where the the team didn't have a first or a second rounder, but I guess the big thing to mention here is the general (leaguewide) trend towards taking forwards with high draft picks. At least this has played a role in recent years, even if '12 was a bit of an exception in the top 10-12 vis--vis the prior few drafts.

Sadly, no matter what the round, and despite many years of high picks, the team has yet to grab a real all-round workhorse of a defenseman over the past 20 years who the team could build the blueline around.

The best thing that could possibly happen to the Isles on the drafting front (and surely, grabbing MacKinnon would also open a world of dreamy possibilities) would be to see Seth Jones somehow fall into their hands. That would be just the kind of stud who could be their all-everything blueliner for the next decade.

The chances of that happening are not promising at the moment.

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I'm still hopeful regarding Reinhart, Mayfield, Pedan, Pelech and deHaan & Donovan as well. So we will wait and see.
As mentioned in a previous post, we're fortunately finally looking at a situation where, by the time the team is playing in Brooklyn, it should have a blueline capable of taking on most all challengers, which could/should realistically consist of at least 4 of our own draft picks.

In addition, Snow should have a few nice trading chips out of this group.

Still, about the most exciting thing about the Brooklyn news from a player acquisition standpoint is to see whether Snow will actually do things differently with respect to, uhhh, acquiring players. One way or the other, the 'NCMC' has long been part of the excuse/reason for not being in a poisition to acquire bigger name players. Will that now change, especially with an impressive group of youngsters coming up?

Looking at our current blueliners and some of the recent draft picks, just imagine if Snow could actually bring in two bonafide studs to man the blueline?

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I'm going to start betting all of you that think these natural centers are going to be converted to wing. I'll make so much money.
Well, since he played wing his last year at North Dakota and I doubt he will play the third line checking role behind Tavares and Strome, I'll take that bet. Or do you move Strome to Wing?

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Well, since he played wing his last year at North Dakota and I doubt he will play the third line checking role behind Tavares and Strome, I'll take that bet. Or do you move Strome to Wing?
Kyle Okposo played center his last year at Minnesota, so did Blake Wheeler. Means nothing.

I see Nelson fulfilling a Jordan Staal-esque role in the NHL, not quite a top end offensive player, but good all-around and dependable in every situation. What's wrong with Tavares-Strome-Nelson as strong center depth? Its the most important forward position; all three are natural centers. Strome and Nelson are being groomed as such and are essentially two of the three most important Isles prospects up front along with Niederreiter.

Why would you move Nelson to wing? Leave them at center and build around them.

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Kyle Okposo played center his last year at Minnesota, so did Blake Wheeler. Means nothing.

I see Nelson fulfilling a Jordan Staal-esque role in the NHL, not quite a top end offensive player, but good all-around and dependable in every situation. What's wrong with Tavares-Strome-Nelson as strong center depth? Its the most important forward position; all three are natural centers. Strome and Nelson are being groomed as such and are essentially two of the three most important Isles prospects up front along with Niederreiter.

Why would you move Nelson to wing? Leave them at center and build around them.
And I suppose Anders Lee, Casey Cizikas, Johan Sundstrom will play 4th, 5th and 6th line center as well?

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Kyle Okposo played center his last year at Minnesota, so did Blake Wheeler. Means nothing.

I see Nelson fulfilling a Jordan Staal-esque role in the NHL, not quite a top end offensive player, but good all-around and dependable in every situation. What's wrong with Tavares-Strome-Nelson as strong center depth? Its the most important forward position; all three are natural centers. Strome and Nelson are being groomed as such and are essentially two of the three most important Isles prospects up front along with Niederreiter.

Why would you move Nelson to wing? Leave them at center and build around them.
I still would rather trade Nelson than use him as our 3C or move him to wing. Strome has the higher ceiling/JT connection and Nielsen is already an established 3C and a key part of our PK and SO(as well as being one of our few veterans). Using Nelson and perhaps a 1st as the core of a proposal should be able to net us a quality PMD or 1st line RW.

A guy like Patrick Sharp or Keith Yandle would help put this team over the top, IMO, and I could realistically see either of them getting dealt at some point. Chicago has a ton of payroll tied up between their top guys. Hossa and Keith are virtually untradeable due to contract reasons. Toews and Kane are both homegrown superstars who won't be going anywhere. That leaves Seabrook and Sharp, and trading Seabrook would cripple their defense. If Sharp is moved, you at least still have Kane and Hossa on the wing, as well as top prospects in Saad and Teravainen. Yandle could end up being a trade chip as well, due to the fact that PHX is stocked with high-end NHL ready defensemen and are in need of high quality forwards. Nelson fits a huge need for both teams.

IMO, it all comes down to asset management. Deal from a strength to address a weakness. It just makes too much sense to dangle Nelson's name out there to see what bites.

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