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11-26-2012, 09:27 AM
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You realize Edler too could be a rental. Also I'd propose re-signing Getzlaf and Perry and making them our core.
Serious question, do you have the cap room to sign Perry & Getzlaf? I would imagine you would need to move another forward or two for sure, IMO. I mean I see each signing for 6-6.5 mil, sound about right? I would be worried about how this may affect your team depth. you would have like 62-63 mil tied up into 14 players.

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You realize Edler too could be a rental. Also I'd propose re-signing Getzlaf and Perry and making them our core.
True but the difference between Edler and Perry is at least two million. Not to mention, Getzlaf and Perry leaving sort of hurts incentive for Edler to stick around. Both? We're looking at a cap hit near sixteen million for just them. Add the Sedins, Kesler etc and there is no plausible way we could afford both. And before you even bring it up. No, the Sedins are not going anywhere to make room for Getzlaf and/or Perry.

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11-26-2012, 09:59 AM
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those guys are going to want Parise/Suter money ....
we're dreaming to think we can afford one of them, let alone both


but just for fun .....
Luongo for 1st, whatever prospects Ana likes from TO
then @ deadline, all the TO stuff, our 1st, Edler, my firstborn, whatevr ....for Gerz/Perry ....

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m)
Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Chris Higgins ($1.900m)
Zack Kassian ($0.870m) / Dale Weise ($0.615m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Keith Ballard ($4.200m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m)
Derek Joslin ($0.700m) / Chris Tanev ($0.900m)
Kevin Connauton ($0.900m) /
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,760,000; BONUSES: $185,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $625,000

horrendous blueline, but we should score 5 goals per game, so wont matter...
hell, I'd give all that for just Perry...
Looks like Minnesota.

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11-26-2012, 10:01 AM
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Serious question, do you have the cap room to sign Perry & Getzlaf? I would imagine you would need to move another forward or two for sure, IMO. I mean I see each signing for 6-6.5 mil, sound about right? I would be worried about how this may affect your team depth. you would have like 62-63 mil tied up into 14 players.
I would move the Sedins to make room for Getzlaf and Perry if push came to shove.

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11-26-2012, 11:01 AM
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If the cap drops Getzlaf and Perry won't be able to command the deals that went trough in the previous CBA.

Not that it matters both of them to Vancouver is a pipe dream.

Both of them likely sign 5 year deals at Rick Nash money.

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11-26-2012, 11:18 AM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think this is the best deal Vancouver could get for Luongo if things fall into place for them. [Lupul not committed to TO but would sign an extension in Vancouver]


Joffery Lupul
Joe Colbourne
Matthew Lombardi
1st Round Pick in 2014


Roberto Luongo
1st Round Pick in 2014

I've also been thinking that maybe if the lockout is all year than perhaps both Vancouver and Toronto can attract some key UFA's that would allow Vancouver to take a little less and Toronto to offer a little more [perhaps future package] if they could justify balancing out their rosters with UFA's.

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Last few seasons have had weak FA crops, alot of teams have good cap space so Getz/Perry will be offered ridiculous money. Probaly impossible to get both

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I would move the Sedins to make room for Getzlaf and Perry if push came to shove.
You would be the only one. Both are signed to better contracts than either Getzlaf or Perry are likely to be. And it's debatable if they are better players. Getzlaf, in particular, has been on a decline since 2009, with last year being more than simply production. I'll give you age though.

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I really think going after Getzlaf is overkill that we can't afford.

Perry we could do.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think this is the best deal Vancouver could get for Luongo if things fall into place for them. [Lupul not committed to TO but would sign an extension in Vancouver]


Joffery Lupul
Joe Colbourne
Matthew Lombardi
1st Round Pick in 2014


Roberto Luongo
1st Round Pick in 2014

I've also been thinking that maybe if the lockout is all year than perhaps both Vancouver and Toronto can attract some key UFA's that would allow Vancouver to take a little less and Toronto to offer a little more [perhaps future package] if they could justify balancing out their rosters with UFA's.
... I'm confused. Was this suppose to signify something bad? I wouldn't have any issues with that trade, although I'd like to get Connolly or Kadri involved, but even not. It works for us, assuming there is a season.

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You would be the only one. Both are signed to better contracts than either Getzlaf or Perry are likely to be. And it's debatable if they are better players. Getzlaf, in particular, has been on a decline since 2009, with last year being more than simply production. I'll give you age though.
That would only last for a year though right?

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... I'm confused. Was this suppose to signify something bad? I wouldn't have any issues with that trade, although I'd like to get Connolly or Kadri involved, but even not. It works for us, assuming there is a season.
No... and that's been my whole point in this thread. I think I have a reasonable idea of Lu's value although I try to convince people that Vancouver does have some upcoming cap issues in the future and that Luongo has welcomed a trade. It's not meant as a platform to say "take very little in return", it's really not.

From my point of view, I'd swap Connolly for Lombardi but I wouldn't include Kadri. His value is too low to other teams right now then what it means to Toronto. I still think the kid can make it.

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That would only last for a year though right?
The Sedins aren't going to demand the same money Getzlaf and Perry would. Vancouver is well known to have sweetheart deals. Kesler has one, Burrows finally went up to reasonable after four years being arguably the most underpaid player in the league, and our entire defense have taken a paycut to stick around.

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The Sedins aren't going to demand the same money Getzlaf and Perry would. Vancouver is well known to have sweetheart deals. Kesler has one, Burrows finally went up to reasonable after four years being arguably the most underpaid player in the league, and our entire defense have taken a paycut to stick around.
oh, ok.

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No... and that's been my whole point in this thread. I think I have a reasonable idea of Lu's value although I try to convince people that Vancouver does have some upcoming cap issues in the future and that Luongo has welcomed a trade. It's not meant as a platform to say "take very little in return", it's really not.

From my point of view, I'd swap Connolly for Lombardi but I wouldn't include Kadri. His value is too low to other teams right now then what it means to Toronto. I still think the kid can make it.
Fair enough, the wording led me to believe otherwise given how these threads have gone. Unless the cap drops significantly, salary is not a concern however, I would prefer to solve the goaltending debating.

So to revise: Lupul, Connolly, Colburne and a first for Luongo and a first? Done. Call Burke, I'll find Gillis.

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Fair enough, the wording led me to believe otherwise given how these threads have gone. Unless the cap drops significantly, salary is not a concern however, I would prefer to solve the goaltending debating.

So to revise: Lupul, Connolly, Colburne and a first for Luongo and a first? Done. Call Burke, I'll find Gillis.
Yeah that's what I am proposing given that the Leafs wouldn't be able to retain Lupul but he would extend in Vancouver.

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Yeah that's what I am proposing given that the Leafs wouldn't be able to retain Lupul but he would extend in Vancouver.
would an extension be known before a trade, or as a condition of one?
i doubt it, which makes Lupul a shaky bet as the centerpiece of the trade
the 1sts are a wash, which makes it less appealing

if no extension, then it's Luongo for an overpaid injury-prone center who can't crack the Leaf's top 6 and a prospect ..plus a few months of Lupul. I'd pass, thanks.

again, w/o a Lupul extension, we'd likely have nothing but Colborne to show for this trade come summer


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Fair enough, the wording led me to believe otherwise given how these threads have gone. Unless the cap drops significantly, salary is not a concern however, I would prefer to solve the goaltending debating.

So to revise: Lupul, Connolly, Colburne and a first for Luongo and a first? Done. Call Burke, I'll find Gillis.
If those are 2014 1st's...this has my blessing. The problem is, i think Lupul is fully prepared to resign here.

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would an extension be known before a trade, or as a condition of one?
i doubt it, which makes Lupul a shaky bet as the centerpiece of the trade
the 1sts are a wash, which makes it less appealing

if no extension, then it's Luongo for an overpaid injury-prone center who can't crack the Leaf's top 6 and a prospect ..plus a few months of Lupul. I'd pass, thanks.

again, w/o a Lupul extension, we'd likely have nothing but Colborne to show for this trade come summer
While I'm fairly certain we could resign Lupul. Toss a conditional first 2013 based on whether he signs or not.

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If those are 2014 1st's...this has my blessing. The problem is, i think Lupul is fully prepared to resign here.
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would an extension be known before a trade, or as a condition of one?
i doubt it, which makes Lupul a shaky bet as the centerpiece of the trade
the 1sts are a wash, which makes it less appealing

if no extension, then it's Luongo for an overpaid injury-prone center who can't crack the Leaf's top 6 and a prospect ..plus a few months of Lupul. I'd pass, thanks.

again, w/o a Lupul extension, we'd likely have nothing but Colborne to show for this trade come summer
Prior to trade an extension is worked out. And the 1st round picks are in 2014.

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Thanks for your attempt to be little my opinions on the way this thread has been going. But i actually do know what a cap is believe it or not!! And i think you completely missed the point of what im trying to say. This thread is about Luongo , not about how Vancouver is going to handle having two goalies under contract in a new cba where only "supposed" cap limits have been discussed and by "supposed" i mean no one including me and you know where those parameters lie. Yes i do understand cap implications must be taken into consideration during transactions but telling us our team is gonna be screwed if keep both because we will not give a way Luo for nothing is B.S.
Vancouver's cap situation and the "supposed" cap situation are directly relevant to this conversation. Both obviously involve a lot of speculation. However, so does any discussion of trade value or what a team is willing to give up.

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Roberto To Toronto/ Thread # Infinity

Alright , alright, let's get to the point.

My new offer(s)...

1.
To Toronto:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Stuart Percy/1st in 2013 (top ten protected)


2.
To Toronto:
Mason Raymond (salary dump)
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Tim Connolly/Matthew Lombardi (salary dump)
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Start Percy/1st in 2013 (top ten protected)


3. (blockbuster)
To Toronto:
Ryan Kesler
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Tyler Bozak
Nikolai Kulemin
Carter Ashton
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Stuart Percy
1st in 2013 (top ten protected)

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Alright , alright, let's get to the point.

My new offer(s)...

1.
To Toronto:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Stuart Percy/1st in 2013 (top ten protected)


2.
To Toronto:
Mason Raymond (salary dump)
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Tim Connolly/Matthew Lombardi (salary dump)
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Start Percy/1st in 2013 (top ten protected)


3. (blockbuster)
To Toronto:
Ryan Kesler
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Tyler Bozak
Nikolai Kulemin
Carter Ashton
Nazem Kadri/Joe Colborne
Stuart Percy
1st in 2013 (top ten protected)
1: Toronto says no.
2. Vancouver says no
3. Vancouver says HELL no

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I don't mind any of those deals but I wouldn't "throw in" Kadri. And I wouldn't move the 2013 pick even if it's protected. 2014 is more palatable to me.

Trade #3 is obviously the best. I think Vancouver easily loses that deal.

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This trade heavily relies on what happens in the new CBA.... I really think we should give it a rest until the new CBA is in place

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