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11-24-2012, 05:42 PM
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Had to think for a while, but you guys say game misconduct as 10, right? in IIHF 10 min is personal misconduct penalty, ex. for unsportsmanlike conduct, 20 minutes is game misconduct and 25 is match penalty
USA Hockey rules is:

Misconduct (Either because of hit from behind in open ice, unsportsmanlike, etc) - 10 Minutes to be served in the box, no loss of manpower on ice.

Game Misconduct - Ejection, 10 minutes worth of penalties goes against the players record.

Match Penalty - 5 minutes in the box served by another player, Ejection, 10 minutes worth of penalties goes against the players record.

So when people are saying 2+10, that doesn't mean he is ejected, just has to sit in the penalty box for that entire time. They are only down a man for the 2 minutes though(Additional player serves the 2 minutes and comes out then).

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11-24-2012, 09:22 PM
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USA Hockey rules is:

Misconduct (Either because of hit from behind in open ice, unsportsmanlike, etc) - 10 Minutes to be served in the box, no loss of manpower on ice.

Game Misconduct - Ejection, 10 minutes worth of penalties goes against the players record.

Match Penalty - 5 minutes in the box served by another player, Ejection, 10 minutes worth of penalties goes against the players record.

So when people are saying 2+10, that doesn't mean he is ejected, just has to sit in the penalty box for that entire time. They are only down a man for the 2 minutes though(Additional player serves the 2 minutes and comes out then).

You are correct, but what I meant by 2+10 or 5+10 was a 2 minute minor + a game misconduct + automatic 1 game suspension, or 5 minute major + game misconduct + automatic 2 game suspension.

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11-25-2012, 06:10 PM
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There were several baffling decisions from the 2 referees in my game tonight, for both teams.

One of our guys gets steamrolled by an open ice hit, it was the most obvious interference you could ever see as the puck was not even close, no call. Then on the other hand, as one of our guys dumps the puck in their guy hipchecks him, perfectly clean hipcheck and our guy stayed on his feet and was just driven into the boards, ref calls their guy for boarding and a few times two guys got tangled up and the ref called both of them for holding

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11-25-2012, 08:17 PM
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After coaching for the last 6 years I have plenty of stories for this topic!

In an Atom house-league game (9-10 year olds), we were up 2-1 with 2 minutes left in the game when our goalie dropped his stick. Our defenseman picked it up for him and handed it to him and the ref immediately blew the play dead and called a penalty on him for holding two sticks at once. I tried to tell him that it only applies if the player tries to play with both sticks, which did not happen, but of course he wouldn't have any of it. I thought maybe I had the rule wrong, but later on I confirmed it with the head referee for our region that as long as you do not participate in the play with both sticks, it's not a penalty.

In a Novice A semi-final tournament game (7-8 year olds) the referee called a penalty on us in the third period. I started worrying about which players to get on the ice and giving them a couple of instructions and did not pay attention to the referee bringing our player to the box... The play starts, we're 5 on 4, and about 30 seconds into the penalty the referee blows the whistle and skates over to our bench and tells us that our player was not in the penalty box! I was confused and looked over to the penalty box and saw it was empty... When the referee called the penalty the other ref did not escort our player to the box, so he just came back to the bench. Of course at this point the other teams coach is hollering that the ref needs to give us another penalty now.

The referee tried to tell me he was going to give us a 2nd penalty now. I politely told him that it was HIS job and his responsibility to make sure that the player gets put into the box when a penalty is called, not mine. The problem now is that he does not remember who was supposed to get the penalty, so he tells me "Fine, I won't give you another penalty but your #10 has to go in the box", with #10 of course being our best defenseman.

In that same game, we are on a powerplay and the play starts, except the timekeeper forgot to start the other team's penalty timer. 20 seconds later, as we break-out on a 2 on 1, the referee notices the timer and BLOWS THE PLAY DEAD, instead of just letting them play on and either fix it at the next whistle or to just have the timekeeper tell the player in the box what time to get out at and ignore the timer. So they blow the play dead, take the 20 seconds off the other team's penalty, and have a face-off at center ice. Bravo.

I know in Novice you always have the younger beginner referee's, but it was the semi-finals of a tournament and it was 2 adult referee's working the game. Luckily we ended up winning the game anyways.
This is the right call.

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11-25-2012, 11:55 PM
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I have one that should be relatively easy for someone who would know OMHA rules.

Say the puck is against the end boards in the offensive zone in no one's possession. I am between the defender and the puck, but about 3-4 feet away from the puck and not showing any intent to go after the puck. The defender hits me (interference) but now call, so after the play I ask why there wasn't an interference penalty called against the opposing player. The ref told me I impeded his path towards the puck, and said if anything I should have got the penalty.

That rational seemed totally ass backwards to me.

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11-26-2012, 03:17 AM
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This is the right call.
No it isn't.

Anything clock related gets sorted out next whistle.

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11-26-2012, 07:33 AM
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No it isn't.

Anything clock related gets sorted out next whistle.
In IIHF, if clock isn't playing and other team makes a goal, it will be accepted if period wasn't over before puck crossed the goal line

just an example

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I have one that should be relatively easy for someone who would know OMHA rules.

Say the puck is against the end boards in the offensive zone in no one's possession. I am between the defender and the puck, but about 3-4 feet away from the puck and not showing any intent to go after the puck. The defender hits me (interference) but now call, so after the play I ask why there wasn't an interference penalty called against the opposing player. The ref told me I impeded his path towards the puck, and said if anything I should have got the penalty.

That rational seemed totally ass backwards to me.
2 questions:

A: Why wern't you trying to get the puck?

B: Did you move to put yourself between the defender and the puck to let a teammate get it?

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No it isn't.

Anything clock related gets sorted out next whistle.
I am a referee and I've been told multiple times by supervisors, etc that you blow the play dead.

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11-26-2012, 01:14 PM
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I am a referee and I've been told multiple times by supervisors, etc that you blow the play dead.
Either Hockey Canada rules are different or they are wrong.

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I am a referee and I've been told multiple times by supervisors, etc that you blow the play dead.
Perhaps it's a rule specific to your region, but I've always been told the opposite.

I'll mention it to the supervisor of ref's in my area and see what he says

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I've searched high and low through my USA Hockey rulebook and case book. I can't find anything on what to do if the penalty timekeeper accidentally does not start the penalty clock.

If it were me in a game, I don't think it should matter. If a minor penalty started at 12:43 of the period, it should end at 14:43 of the period unless terminated early by a goal. The only words I found were a description of what the penalty timekeeper's duties are:

"The Penalty Timekeeper shall check and ensure that the
time served by all penalized players is correct. He shall be
responsible for the correct posting of all penalties on the
scoreboard and shall promptly call to the attention of the
Referee any discrepancy between the time recorded on the
clock and the official correct penalty time. He shall, upon
request, give a penalized player correct information as to the
unexpired time of his penalty."

(Rule 507b)

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The start of the penalty time is written down on the game sheet. You let the play continue if the timer hasn't started the penalty clock, but the regular time clock is running and at the first stoppage of play, the referee goes over to the penalty timekeeper and has the penalty clock re set to the now correct time. Use a little common sense.


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Yeah, it's kind of like an unwritten rule

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I've searched high and low through my USA Hockey rulebook and case book. I can't find anything on what to do if the penalty timekeeper accidentally does not start the penalty clock.

If it were me in a game, I don't think it should matter. If a minor penalty started at 12:43 of the period, it should end at 14:43 of the period unless terminated early by a goal. The only words I found were a description of what the penalty timekeeper's duties are:

"The Penalty Timekeeper shall check and ensure that the
time served by all penalized players is correct. He shall be
responsible for the correct posting of all penalties on the
scoreboard and shall promptly call to the attention of the
Referee any discrepancy between the time recorded on the
clock and the official correct penalty time. He shall, upon
request, give a penalized player correct information as to the
unexpired time of his penalty."

(Rule 507b)

I did same with the IIHF ones, and not a single word about time keeper's job. only about if team complains to referee that timer wasn't on when goal was made, in that case goal shall be allowed if period isn't over. gotta ask this thing from more-experienced ref mates.

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Yeah, there was actually an example case about the game clock. The example was, if there are 10 seconds remaining in the period (stop time) and the clock fails to start when the puck is dropped, the book instructs me to let play continue, but count down mentally in my head and blow the whistle for the end of the period after 10 seconds.

If the penalty clock was malfunctioning or failed to start or whatever, and there really was no stoppage in play for the entire penalty, I'd try to motion to the penalty bench area and get the player out of the box after 2 minutes. If the player came out onto the ice after 1:55, I'd consider that situation to be "timekeeper error" and not penalize the player for leaving the penalty bench early, though by rule he would have to go back to the penalty bench for 5 more seconds and any goal scored by his team while he was illegally on the ice would have to be disallowed.

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Yeah, there was actually an example case about the game clock. The example was, if there are 10 seconds remaining in the period (stop time) and the clock fails to start when the puck is dropped, the book instructs me to let play continue, but count down mentally in my head and blow the whistle for the end of the period after 10 seconds.

If the penalty clock was malfunctioning or failed to start or whatever, and there really was no stoppage in play for the entire penalty, I'd try to motion to the penalty bench area and get the player out of the box after 2 minutes. If the player came out onto the ice after 1:55, I'd consider that situation to be "timekeeper error" and not penalize the player for leaving the penalty bench early, though by rule he would have to go back to the penalty bench for 5 more seconds and any goal scored by his team while he was illegally on the ice would have to be disallowed.
Ah yes the IIHF casebook, I forgot about that

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Unless the penalty was about to expire I don't see why the play was blown dead. I've seen clock issues happen before with penalties and normally the ref will just tell the player and both benches that the clock screwed up and the player is coming out at "?:??"

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I've got a good one, but it's only a rumour I heard and I'm not sure if it's true.

Basically under the rules of our governing body if the game doesn't start on time the home team is given a 2 minute delay of game penalty and starts the game shorthanded. It's very rarely given since most refs aren't that harsh but this guy did call it, and he then started the game with the opening faceoff in the home team's defensive zone rather than at center ice
Who the hell called that? That's brilliant haha...

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how's the misconduct penalty around the world? in IIHF it's 10 minutes, except some senior leagues.

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Who the hell called that? That's brilliant haha...
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Got straight up slew-footed in my beer league game against the girls' team last night and it wasn't called... I'm not one to complain about non-calls and especially not one from a woman, but this was a downright dangerous play as I was inches away from going head-first into the boards. The woman literally got her stick up across my chest and pulled back while she kicked my legs out.

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Thats the problem with a lot of integrated gender leagues. They get away with it cause of their gender etc.

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No it isn't.

Anything clock related gets sorted out next whistle.
Didn't know that...

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Didn't know that...

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It's an easy mistake to make, especially with an entire bench screaming at you

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