Do you guys think there is anything we could reasonably give up that could land us B Schenn? He is in every way the perfect 2C imo.
If we dealt Gagner to Chi for Hjarmalsson then either..
Hjarmlasson+Pitlick+Musil?
or
Hjarmlasson+our 2013 1st?
or Klefbom+ Pitlick?
I'd include Whitey too but Philly fans would likely think he's a worthless bandaid.
Look at what Philly gave up to get him, those offers don't come close. If Hemsky returns to form and isn't injured he's the base line along with a A level prospect. And if were doing a deal that big with Philly I'd rather Tambo targeted Couturier. Think Hemsky+Klefbom+2nd for Couturier, and it might take a pick on top of that.
Look at what Philly gave up to get him, those offers don't come close. If Hemsky returns to form and isn't injured he's the base line along with a A level prospect. And if were doing a deal that big with Philly I'd rather Tambo targeted Couturier. Think Hemsky+Klefbom+2nd for Couturier, and it might take a pick on top of that.
I can't see them moving Couturier to be honest. Kid had a decent rookie season and is only going to get better. Voracek gets moved up front before anyone else under 25.
Philly wouldn't move either Schenn or Couturier for a package not including one of the big 5. And what I mean is that it's not worth it to them to give up either guy for guys like Marancin, Gagner, Musil, Klefbom, whatever, though all those guys might be good players.
Like OilDrop37 said, what reason do the Flyers have to move either Schenn or Couturier? This seems to be the biggest thing that people seem to forget when making these types of proposals.
Look at Philly and where they are as an organization. Why would a team with two highly rated prospects who are contributors at the NHL level on cap friendly deals trade them for a bunch of picks and prospects?
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Do you guys think there is anything we could reasonably give up that could land us B Schenn? He is in every way the perfect 2C imo.
If we dealt Gagner to Chi for Hjarmalsson then either..
Hjarmlasson+Pitlick+Musil?
or
Hjarmlasson+our 2013 1st?
or Klefbom+ Pitlick?
I'd include Whitey too but Philly fans would likely think he's a worthless bandaid.
Philly could of had Hjarmalsson any time for cheap, the Hawks have been trying to dump him and his contract. Would cost more then a non-physical 3rd pairing D to get Gagner.
Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but more information has come out regarding the 'WOW' move ala Stauffer. I'm kicking myself for not remembering which podcast I heard it from last week, but a caller asked him if the deal was still on hold, or dead in the water because Bob said it depended on the lockout ending December 1st. Stauffer said it still holds ground. He then asked the caller what the biggest question mark is on the team, and that's it's a glaring one. The caller said "Goaltending. It's gotta be goaltending." Stauffer said 'Exactly.' and went on to basically reveal that the 'WOW' move is for a goalie, repeating that an amnesty clause must be part of the new CBA. He also said 'it may not be a surprising move'.
This leads me to believe its not Jay Bouwmeester, and it's gotta be Roberto Luongo.
Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but more information has come out regarding the 'WOW' move ala Stauffer. I'm kicking myself for not remembering which podcast I heard it from last week, but a caller asked him if the deal was still on hold, or dead in the water because Bob said it depended on the lockout ending December 1st. Stauffer said it still holds ground. He then asked the caller what the biggest question mark is on the team, and that's it's a glaring one. The caller said "Goaltending. It's gotta be goaltending." Stauffer said 'Exactly.' and went on to basically reveal that the 'WOW' move is for a goalie, repeating that an amnesty clause must be part of the new CBA. He also said 'it may not be a surprising move'.
This leads me to believe its not Jay Bouwmeester, and it's gotta be Roberto Luongo.
I'm guessing this would refer to us being able to buyout Khabby and/or Horcoff to be able to trade for Luongo. Don't see Luongo signing here if he's bought out.
I'm guessing this would refer to us being able to buyout Khabby and/or Horcoff to be able to trade for Luongo. Don't see Luongo signing here if he's bought out.
IMO that'd be the "WOW" part. They buy him out and he signs with us as a FA.
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Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but more information has come out regarding the 'WOW' move ala Stauffer. I'm kicking myself for not remembering which podcast I heard it from last week, but a caller asked him if the deal was still on hold, or dead in the water because Bob said it depended on the lockout ending December 1st. Stauffer said it still holds ground. He then asked the caller what the biggest question mark is on the team, and that's it's a glaring one. The caller said "Goaltending. It's gotta be goaltending." Stauffer said 'Exactly.' and went on to basically reveal that the 'WOW' move is for a goalie, repeating that an amnesty clause must be part of the new CBA. He also said 'it may not be a surprising move'.
This leads me to believe its not Jay Bouwmeester, and it's gotta be Roberto Luongo.
What about Bernier? Not a huge move but that would bolster our goaltending. Lowe even said they're thin at that position, and that is definitely a guy who could turn into a star.
Trade for Bernier. Promise him 22 games here (in a full season), leaving the other 60 for Dubnyk, as long as he's playing well. If Dubnyk fails, we have a great backup plan that doesn't involve a drunk senior citizens with a criminal record.
What about Bernier? Not a huge move but that would bolster our goaltending. Lowe even said they're thin at that position, and that is definitely a guy who could turn into a star.
Trade for Bernier. Promise him 22 games here (in a full season), leaving the other 60 for Dubnyk, as long as he's playing well. If Dubnyk fails, we have a great backup plan that doesn't involve a drunk senior citizens with a criminal record.
I wonder what it would cost/what LA wants?
The price is way to high for a guy who's proven nothing
San Jose is in the same boat with Clowe. If the season gets cancelled both will be UFA's and there is a pretty good chance they move on.
Sorry to be lurking, but I know for a fact that SJ is trying to re-sign Clowe. I don't know how much Clowe thinks he's worth, but if they can, SJ will re-sign him.
Sorry to be lurking, but I know for a fact that SJ is trying to re-sign Clowe. I don't know how much Clowe thinks he's worth, but if they can, SJ will re-sign him.
I have no doubt they would like him back but if there is no season he will very well end up as a UFA. And if the cap is low 60M's how do they afford him given that they have $54M committed on 14 contracts? Even if they got rid of Boyle, it would still mean about $14M to sign 10 players.
What about Bernier? Not a huge move but that would bolster our goaltending. Lowe even said they're thin at that position, and that is definitely a guy who could turn into a star.
Trade for Bernier. Promise him 22 games here (in a full season), leaving the other 60 for Dubnyk, as long as he's playing well. If Dubnyk fails, we have a great backup plan that doesn't involve a drunk senior citizens with a criminal record.
I wonder what it would cost/what LA wants?
Couldnt be the guy, he's not a 'WOW' player, but I wouldn't mind him if he's the best we could get and the price was right.
I really hope that Keith Yandle is on the Oilers' radar. While I would prefer more of a two-way type, there doesn't seem to be a top-pairing LD like that available, and Yandle would be a great fit in other ways. His puckmoving and offense would add to an already ridiculous aresenal, and his defense is good enough that he can play big minutes. Smid-Schultz and Yandle-Petry could complient the offense well, and the idea of a Klefbom-Teubert bottom pairing smooths out the defense. Plus, Yandle is locked up for several years at $5.25 million, very reasonable and within the Oilers' salary structure.
Why would the Coyotes do it? You'd have to hope that with OEL's emergence, and perhaps with Nick Scultz coming back to ease the loss, that Phoenix would want to spend the money elsewhere. They could even include Derrik Morris to further clear salary. The question then becomes what combination of Hemsky, Paajarvi, Marincin, etc. could be added to Schultz to make an enticing offer.
The risk you gotta take. Teams don't trade away proven goaltenders for peanuts.
Except they do.
There are plenty of decent goaltenders moving around the league outside of the elite top end. A status which Bernier/Schneider/Harding or any other backup do not qualify for, it's debatable they qualify as "proven".
There is also a ton of risk in picking up sheltered backup goaltenders from elite and/or defensive obsessed teams as well. No team wants to overpay based on unfounded hype and end up with the next Toskala, Cloutier, or Raycroft - a real risk with any tender who hasn't been relied upon as a number 1.
There are plenty of decent goaltenders moving around the league outside of the elite top end. A status which Bernier/Schneider/Harding or any other backup do not qualify for, it's debatable they qualify as "proven".
There is also a ton of risk in picking up sheltered backup goaltenders from elite and/or defensive obsessed teams as well. No team wants to overpay based on unfounded hype and end up with the next Toskala, Cloutier, or Raycroft - a real risk with any tender who hasn't been relied upon as a number 1.
I think goalies are just hard to price.
Since when has a goalie been traded for top end talent.
So much of what a goalie does depends on systems and defensive play that you can't even trade for a top end goalie and expect the same performance out of him post-trade.
I'm not a fan of Bernier even though I know a lot are. He's simply no better than Dubnyk imo... and would be too pricey. There are other cheaper and just as good options overseas for decent goalies.
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