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11-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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Both sides agree to allow U.S. federal mediators to become involved in the impasse according to Bob Mackenzie.

http://www.fmcs.gov/internet/itemDet...9&itemID=23887

Not that it has a chance in hell of happening but it's too bad they take it to arbitration instead. Still, it can't hurt to get a 3rd party to try and push things along.
it's the same guy who mediated the NBA lockout on Nov. 6th., 2011..hopefully it work out better for the NHL than the NBA

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11-26-2012, 03:58 PM
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Both sides agree to allow U.S. federal mediators to become involved in the impasse according to Bob Mackenzie.

http://www.fmcs.gov/internet/itemDet...9&itemID=23887

Not that it has a chance in hell of happening but it's too bad they didn't take it to arbitration instead. Still, it can't hurt to get a 3rd party to try and push things along.
So what does a mediator even do, compare the NHL to other leagues and go from there?

Could be one of those things where both sides end up upset.

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So what does a mediator even do, compare the NHL to other leagues and go from there?

Could be one of those things where both sides end up upset.
As opposed to now?

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11-26-2012, 04:14 PM
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So what does a mediator even do, compare the NHL to other leagues and go from there?

Could be one of those things where both sides end up upset.
Well I'm sure you know what a mediator does but this is Alberta Justice's definition.

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The mediator’s role is to guide the parties through a very effective problem solving process to resolve the issues between them. The mediator’s role also includes:

Creating a comfortable environment for the discussion;
Helping the parties to define exactly what they are disputing;
Making sure the discussion stays on track;
Assisting the parties to identify and communicate their priorities and concerns; and
Supporting the parties in reaching an agreement.
Mediators do not take sides, make decisions or suggest solutions. The parties create and agree to their own solution. Nothing is imposed by the mediator.

Mediators are trained and experienced in dispute resolution. They are neutral facilitators who help the parties explore the problem, and find new options to resolve the dispute. The mediator does not judge who is right or wrong and does not give legal advice.
If both sides actually listen to the mediator I think it could help the process. It's a better next step than blowing things up with decertification and taking it to court at least.

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11-26-2012, 04:19 PM
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Both sides agree to allow U.S. federal mediators to become involved in the impasse according to Bob Mackenzie.

http://www.fmcs.gov/internet/itemDet...9&itemID=23887

Not that it has a chance in hell of happening but it's too bad they didn't take it to arbitration instead. Still, it can't hurt to get a 3rd party to try and push things along.
Mediators won't put up with mud slinging, but will make actual negotiating happen. This is a good thing.

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11-26-2012, 04:24 PM
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Well I'm sure you know what a mediator does but this is Alberta Justice's definition.



If both sides actually listen to the mediator I think it could help the process. It's a better next step than blowing things up with decertification and taking it to court at least.
So a glorified babysitter, nice.

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11-26-2012, 04:27 PM
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So a glorified babysitter, nice.
Yup.

Honestly though, with the way the two sides have been acting a baby sitter may be exactly what they need.

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11-26-2012, 04:30 PM
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Can't hurt to try. What they've been doing up to this point obviously hasn't been working.

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11-26-2012, 04:45 PM
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To be honest I really hate the new alignment proposal. I think it's stupid that the teams in the 7 team conferences have a better shot at the playoffs than those with 8 but that's a discussion for another thread.

It's been said a lot here before but I think the NHL could easily drop the 5 year demand since it's more the backdiving nature of the problem contracts rather than the term itself that is creating the issue. If the PA agreed to something like the 5% variation year to year I think that would more than address the situation.
There won't be 7 team conferences. It's been speculated for quite sometime now that the league will expand two new teams when/if a new CBA is finalized.

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11-26-2012, 04:53 PM
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There won't be 7 team conferences. It's been speculated for quite sometime now that the league will expand two new teams when/if a new CBA is finalized.
I don't know how the league can justify adding two new teams when profits aren't even being maximized with 30 teams. The Coyotes need to be relocated before any talk of expansion begins.

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11-26-2012, 05:03 PM
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I don't know how the league can justify adding two new teams when profits aren't even being maximized with 30 teams. The Coyotes need to be relocated before any talk of expansion begins.
It's okay, the league will add more teams thus making that all mighty revenue column go up, even though there will be worse players now in the league and teams still losing.

But because revenues go up, no one will care.

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11-26-2012, 05:13 PM
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I don't know how the league can justify adding two new teams when profits aren't even being maximized with 30 teams. The Coyotes need to be relocated before any talk of expansion begins.
A big time cash grab benefits all the clubs.

Expansion fees for two new teams based in Markham and Quebec would be astronomical.

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11-26-2012, 05:17 PM
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A big time cash grab benefits all the clubs.

Expansion fees for two new teams based in Markham and Quebec would be astronomical.
Then what, said owners that need the money sell and walk away with those expansion fees?

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11-26-2012, 05:26 PM
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@GMillerTSN: @DarrenDreger hopefully not the same federal mediators who worked on the "Hostess Twinkie" dispute. #insolvency

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11-26-2012, 05:41 PM
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Then what, said owners that need the money sell and walk away with those expansion fees?
That probably won't happen anymore than it did in the last round of expansion and expansion payments

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This guy apparently had a pretty sordid twitter past up until a few hours ago


HAHA wow, nevermind. He's already been removed from the negotiations. Twitter is indeed a beautiful thing.


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11-26-2012, 05:56 PM
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This guy apparently had a pretty sordid twitter past up until a few hours ago


HAHA wow, nevermind. He's already been removed from the negotiations. Twitter is indeed a beautiful thing.
who did?

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11-26-2012, 06:02 PM
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who did?
Guy Serota.

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11-26-2012, 06:03 PM
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I just saw a tweet which suggested that the NHL and NHLPA worked with a federal mediator on three separate occasions during the 04/05 lockout.

The mediator isn't going to solve anything here.

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This guy apparently mediated the NBA lockout and a deal was quickly completed.
But he's also not going to be involved in the NHL/NHLPA negotiations so who knows?!

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11-26-2012, 06:22 PM
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Mediators could be good or they could be useless but its unlikely they'll have a negative effect
These mediators have met with both sides separately already and are scheduled to meet together on wednesday (both sides and the mediators)
From what i've read mediators were used in febreuary of 05 three days before the season was cancelled they were used again in spring of 05 i don't think this situation can be compared to the last lockout (different mediators different pa boss different labour issues )

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Mediation can give both sides a reality check. But at the end of the day, the willingness to compromise has to come from both sides.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Mediation is not binding. It's just an objective third party trying to help process get on track. Mediators were, IIRC, used in 2004-05.

@reporterchris: U.S. federal mediator George Cohen says he's had "separate, informal discussions" with NHL and NHLPA.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: One thing to keep in mind is that when NHL/NHLPA had mediation session in early Feb 2005, NHLPA still had not accepted the cap. NHLPA accepted cap a bit later in same month... point being that it was hard for mediator to find any common ground at point where they met

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There won't be 7 team conferences. It's been speculated for quite sometime now that the league will expand two new teams when/if a new CBA is finalized.
That's probably the dumbest thing that this entire CBA could produce.

They wonder why some fans aren't drawn to the game when they have to watch BizNasty or MacIntyre take a regular shift.

Oh well it creates more jobs for the PA and now Green, Byers and Stortini will be NHL regulars once again.

Like honestly why wouldn't both sides think the smarter thing to do is contract the league by two teams and have 4 7 team division instead of expanding by 2.

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11-27-2012, 11:52 AM
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That's probably the dumbest thing that this entire CBA could produce.

They wonder why some fans aren't drawn to the game when they have to watch BizNasty or MacIntyre take a regular shift.

Oh well it creates more jobs for the PA and now Green, Byers and Stortini will be NHL regulars once again.

Like honestly why wouldn't both sides think the smarter thing to do is contract the league by two teams and have 4 7 team division instead of expanding by 2.
Just throwing it out, but does more teams equal more advertisement money and bigger TV deals?

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I have a question about decertification. If the union does that, it would mean the NHL draft is illegal. Since Seth Jones is 18, could Katz go to Portland and offer them a chuck of cash to buy out Jones and sign him here?

Oh and I am in support of expanding 2 more teams. I dont' see why it would mean 4th line enforcers get more ice time. It would probably just draw more European players who prefer their home country to the AHL back into the mix.

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No to two more teams. The talent pool is watered down too much already. 80% of regular season games are boring enough as it is.

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