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11-11-2012, 12:32 PM
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FA busts

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...3212--nfl.html

Chargers and Bills big losers

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Letting VJ walk really worked well for the Chargers.

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Letting VJ walk really worked well for the Chargers.
Like Norv Turner ,, I dont understand how AJ Smith still has job

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Letting VJ walk really worked well for the Chargers.
Same with Sproles

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surprised how bad Buffalo's D is with the big signing of williams

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Same with Sproles
Chargers seem to have a great history of letting great players walk.

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11-12-2012, 01:30 AM
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I've liked Mark Anderson for the Bills. Especially when you compare what he brings to the team compared to Chris Kelsay. His stat line isn't the best, but hes a high effort guy that will eventually have things go his way.

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I've liked Mark Anderson for the Bills. Especially when you compare what he brings to the team compared to Chris Kelsay. His stat line isn't the best, but hes a high effort guy that will eventually have things go his way.
Disagree. Anderson is horrific against the run and hasn't successfully rushed the passer, which is why he got paid in the first place. Meanwhile Williams is on pace for a semi-respectable sack total, but he's a non-factor anyway. He'll do nothing, pick up a sack on occasion, and then go back to doing nothing. The guy looks cooked; he and Anderson are colossal busts so far.

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11-12-2012, 03:00 AM
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I respect your take because you're paid for production and he isn't producing. Plus he has a knee injury that will hamper him. But for an average salary for 4.6 million hes not all that bad. Maybe its just resignation to watching mediocre defensive end play.

Williams I'm not going to give up on, but hes frustrating to watch. He is a bust so far.

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11-12-2012, 04:52 AM
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I haven't read the article, but let me guess: there is some sort of Bearsss angle to it.

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I haven't read the article, but let me guess: there is some sort of Bearsss angle to it.
Not a single mention of the Bears in the article...


And man, I completely forgot about that Flynn contract.

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Thought the Garcon signing was bad, but at least you can give him an injury excuse.

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Eric Wright now suspended 4 games for "PEDs."

Another bad signing gone worse.

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Carlson for the Vikings.

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Carlson for the Vikings.
That he was going to be a bust was a near certainty.

Odds are he will get cut after next year and walk away with 11 million dollars for 2 seasons a with less than 20 catches and 100 yards total.

Glad he was our big-money addition of the off-season! Would have been stupid to spend that money on an Offensive Linemen.


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Carlson for the Vikings.
Honestly until yesterday I forget he was even still in league

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Glad he was our big-money addition of the off-season! Would have been stupid to spend that money on an Offensive Linemen.
We uh did bring in an offensive lineman. We didn't know Johnson was going to be that terrible at guard. It could have been applied. What linesman could we have brought in?

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We uh did bring in an offensive lineman. We didn't know Johnson was going to be that terrible at guard. It could have been applied. What linesman could we have brought in?
We clearly need more help than Kalil and Schwartz (zero starts BTW). Johnson isn't the only problem. Fusco has been getting destroyed out there and Sullivan is looking very ordinary. Granted, he has back-ups on either side of him, but he is supposed to be a cornerstone.

With as poor as the line has been, bringing in ANY starter-grade body would have been good. If nothing more than to give some competition. We entered the season with questions all across the offensive line and it has killed us. Worse, if Ponder has no hope of developing what little talent he does have getting constantly tossed around. His confidence is clearly rattled.

Carlson was a total, and predictable, waste. It was indefensible at the time and hopefully helps earn Speilman and crew their pink slips.

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Letting VJ walk really worked well for the Chargers.
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Same with Sproles
Still would say the root problem remains the offensive line. Vincent Jackson undoubtedly is a talent, but Rivers was productive when VJ was holding out in 2010. They brought in Danario Alexander off the street and have received pretty good production out of him. Unfortunately Royal has been hurt and Meachem has been terrible.

Things started to unravel when the left side of the offensive line went down with injuries midway through 2011. Jared Gaither played very well at the end of last year, but he's been an injury mess all year and mercifully got IR'd last week. I was worried when he parlayed a handful of games into a big contract. I can still remember Gaither from the supplemental draft and him having question marks then.

The team franchised both Sproles and VJ. After they moved up for Ryan Mathews in 2010, they had a three RB rotation with Mike Tolbert as well. Once they decided to go with Mathews, there just weren't enough touches for Sproles for the price he was commanding.

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With as poor as the line has been, bringing in ANY starter-grade body would have been good.
Again, who? I'm not quite certain there were quality linemen that we could have afforded.

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If nothing more than to give some competition. We entered the season with questions all across the offensive line and it has killed us.
Meh. Loadholt was decent, we entered with a solid rookie and a solid center though.

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Carlson was a total, and predictable, waste. It was indefensible at the time and hopefully helps earn Speilman and crew their pink slips.
Not necessarily. It might be on the coaches that don't utilize him, Rudolph or Ellison that much. Or Ellison pushed him enough to get his spot. Who knows. It happens.

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We clearly need more help than Kalil and Schwartz (zero starts BTW). Johnson isn't the only problem. Fusco has been getting destroyed out there and Sullivan is looking very ordinary. Granted, he has back-ups on either side of him, but he is supposed to be a cornerstone.

With as poor as the line has been, bringing in ANY starter-grade body would have been good. If nothing more than to give some competition. We entered the season with questions all across the offensive line and it has killed us. Worse, if Ponder has no hope of developing what little talent he does have getting constantly tossed around. His confidence is clearly rattled.

Carlson was a total, and predictable, waste. It was indefensible at the time and hopefully helps earn Speilman and crew their pink slips.
Johnson isn't that great and Schwartz should start over Fusco but the line hasn't even been that bad. According to ProFootballFocus, they're 11th in pass blocking, 2nd in run blocking, and 3rd best overall. That's only one person's (or website's) opinion but they are a credible site.

Ponder makes the line look worse than it actually is. He still hasn't improved on the things they said he was working on all offseason. He doesn't step up when he should, other times he steps up when he should roll out, or he just hangs onto the ball for too long. Last season you could just tell that the line was a complete disaster and changes needed to be made. I haven't gotten that feeling at all this season.

Carlson is definitely a free agent bust.

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11-26-2012, 09:12 PM
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Still would say the root problem remains the offensive line. Vincent Jackson undoubtedly is a talent, but Rivers was productive when VJ was holding out in 2010. They brought in Danario Alexander off the street and have received pretty good production out of him. Unfortunately Royal has been hurt and Meachem has been terrible.

Things started to unravel when the left side of the offensive line went down with injuries midway through 2011. Jared Gaither played very well at the end of last year, but he's been an injury mess all year and mercifully got IR'd last week. I was worried when he parlayed a handful of games into a big contract. I can still remember Gaither from the supplemental draft and him having question marks then.

The team franchised both Sproles and VJ. After they moved up for Ryan Mathews in 2010, they had a three RB rotation with Mike Tolbert as well. Once they decided to go with Mathews, there just weren't enough touches for Sproles for the price he was commanding.
I think the horrific play of Rivers especially his game killing meltdowns has been biggest problem in SD these last 2 years

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Ah, the anti-Pepperses

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Ah, the anti-Pepperses
Bear fans cant laugh at other teams mistakes

Look no further then recent non-Pepper Bear FA moves (Chester Taylor and Roy Williams )


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Again, who? I'm not quite certain there were quality linemen that we could have afforded.
There were plenty of 2nd tier linemen we could have brought in. Jacob Bell, Leonard Davis, Robert Gallery, etc. A competent vet to push to start.

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Meh. Loadholt was decent, we entered with a solid rookie and a solid center though.
Rookie tackle (always a gamble)
Marginal player switching position
1-year-wonder at center
Warm body
Inconsistent behemoth

Line had questions up and down it. Don't kid yourself.

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Not necessarily. It might be on the coaches that don't utilize him, Rudolph or Ellison that much. Or Ellison pushed him enough to get his spot. Who knows. It happens.
You still actual defend the Carlson signing? Good grief. Just buy a set of pom poms and get it over with.

He is one of the top paid TEs in the league on pace for 10 catches, 50 yards and zero TDs. Yep. Great addition.

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