We were shown early in the season how good they are at working together to take out hordes of zombies, and they made a point to mention how there is no way a group of 10 could clear out that prison. That's how they are playing it up on the show.
Merle's opinion. Governor had not been there as far as we know. You are overstating all of this. They took the prison, yes. The also lost T-Dogg and Lori in the process. Herschel lost a leg and nearly died as well as Carol was left for dead. You really think the Governor's group would have had the same difficulties with this? They have better weapons and there are more effective fighters in that group.
Rick's group doesn't stand a chance in a stand up fight with the Governor's group. It really shouldn't play out that way.
Somebody mentioned Michonne looked impressed as the group worked together. She was watching the prisoner and my thought was she wasn't impressed at all. Of course, that's how she always looks.
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Anyone else notice that when the governor had the gun pointed at Maggie Merle gave Glenn the little no head shake as in not to tell him where the prison is?
Merle's opinion. Governor had not been there as far as we know. You are overstating all of this. They took the prison, yes. The also lost T-Dogg and Lori in the process. Herschel lost a leg and nearly died as well as Carol was left for dead. You really think the Governor's group would have had the same difficulties with this? They have better weapons and there are more effective fighters in that group.
Rick's group doesn't stand a chance in a stand up fight with the Governor's group. It really shouldn't play out that way.
Somebody mentioned Michonne looked impressed as the group worked together. She was watching the prisoner and my thought was she wasn't impressed at all. Of course, that's how she always looks.
I'm just going off what the show has given us. We don't know there are better fighters in their group, Glenn escaped and killed a zombie while being duct tape to a chair, the writers were purposefully showing us what they're capable of. The guards of Woodbury shoot at zombies from a distance, and have probably been living a pretty easy life for a while.
I think Rick's group should handle the Governor's men like they do zombies. Try and separate them, use stealth and attack one by one. If they go in guns blazing its just poor writing imo.
I'm just going off what the show has given us. We don't know there are better fighters in their group, Glenn escaped and killed a zombie while being duct tape to a chair, the writers were purposefully showing us what they're capable of. The guards of Woodbury shoot at zombies from a distance, and have probably been living a pretty easy life for a while.
I think Rick's group should handle the Governor's men like they do zombies. Try and separate them, use stealth and attack one by one. If they go in guns blazing its just poor writing imo.
We saw the crew deal with the Zombies at the helicopter crash. They have been routinely catching them and doing whatever they please. Not everything has been from distance. They vastly out number Rick's group.
Didnt axel say he was going with them? rewatching the epispde i dont see him.
If you mean that white guy, then yeah, he did. So did the other farmer's daughter, but neither of them go...
The Governor's group can't do what Rick's group can because they're not battle tested.
I think the Governor eliminates other "Threats" because if people have a choice they'll choose to not be a part of his group. To him, there's his group of people and then the rest.
How does that Lumberjack survive there that long and have no idea there's a zombie apocalypse... It's remote and all, but with that many walkers outside he should have seen them before...
If you mean that white guy, then yeah, he did. So did the other farmer's daughter, but neither of them go...
The Governor's group can't do what Rick's group can because they're not battle tested.
I think the Governor eliminates other "Threats" because if people have a choice they'll choose to not be a part of his group. To him, there's his group of people and then the rest.
How does that Lumberjack survive there that long and have no idea there's a zombie apocalypse... It's remote and all, but with that many walkers outside he should have seen them before...
he's crazy. He's living with his dead dog.
I still question how someone in that state was able to survive so long. It's possible i guess he was just living off the land and hadnt actually encountered the walkers until rick et al drew them to the cabin, but guys like that would probably be covering a large area of the forest every day looking for food, so it's not really plausible.
Anyone else notice that when the governor had the gun pointed at Maggie Merle gave Glenn the little no head shake as in not to tell him where the prison is?
I noticed that as well. I wasn't sure if it was Merle being annoyed or fed up with Glenn for not breaking, or if it was to protect Daryl from seemingly inevitable death.
I still question how someone in that state was able to survive so long. It's possible i guess he was just living off the land and hadnt actually encountered the walkers until rick et al drew them to the cabin, but guys like that would probably be covering a large area of the forest every day looking for food, so it's not really plausible.
Not too mention to stock up for the winter time and how easy it would be to see all the foot prints from the walkers. If they're attracted to flesh blood, then even the animals he kills would attract them.
Re. 'Why didn't Glenn and Maggie just lie and say they were at the farm or were separated from Rick's group?'
Merle already knew the farm was deserted courtesy Andrea.
Glenn had already told Merle they were still with Daryl. That means they know where Rick's group is hiding.
Re. Breaking Bad comparison
In my opinion, it's really, really a stretch to say Rick and Walter are following a similar developmental arc.
Walt's story is like a Greek tragedy; his ego is his hubris, it is insatiable and leads him to make increasingly worse moral decisions that plunge him further and further into a world that is hostile and foreign to him, all the while intensifying his misery.
Rick is a leader struggling to balance survival and his moral character. His transformation is not driven by an increasingly exposed character flaw. His development is actually the opposite of Walt's self-indulgence; it's more about his ability to set aside his self-reservations to ensure the survival of the group in a foreign, hostile environment that was forced on him (rather than created by his own actions).
Re. Daryl's never-ending supply of arrows.
I figure they go out fairly often for supplies, and it's entirely possible that Daryl simply scavenges for arrows then.
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I don't like Andrea but you have to put yourself in her situation. You've been struggling with life for more than a year and you find a place where there are no walkers. The governor has always been nice to her and she has no way to know what happens being the scene. Michonne investigated because she's a survivor.
After more than a year fighing death and find yourself in what seems to be a paradise, I'm sure most of you would do exactly like her and think you've finally found a place to be happy and survive.
plus the governor is taking advantage of her needs for alcohol.
My gripe is that she was a human rights lawyer, so you'd figure she'd have some intuitive sense of whether someone is lying or being honest.
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Fantastic episode.
Just one hitch for me, and maybe I'm missing something... Merle & co. capture Maggie and Glen, who are clearly by themselves. Why would the Governor assume that their group is searching for Woodbury to rescue them? They think Michonne is dead, so the only person who might have been in the area to witness what went down, and who knows where Woodbury is, is a non-issue in their eyes.
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Merle's opinion. Governor had not been there as far as we know. You are overstating all of this. They took the prison, yes. The also lost T-Dogg and Lori in the process. Herschel lost a leg and nearly died as well as Carol was left for dead. You really think the Governor's group would have had the same difficulties with this? They have better weapons and there are more effective fighters in that group.
Rick's group doesn't stand a chance in a stand up fight with the Governor's group. It really shouldn't play out that way.
Somebody mentioned Michonne looked impressed as the group worked together. She was watching the prisoner and my thought was she wasn't impressed at all. Of course, that's how she always looks.
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I'm just going off what the show has given us. We don't know there are better fighters in their group, Glenn escaped and killed a zombie while being duct tape to a chair, the writers were purposefully showing us what they're capable of. The guards of Woodbury shoot at zombies from a distance, and have probably been living a pretty easy life for a while.
I think Rick's group should handle the Governor's men like they do zombies. Try and separate them, use stealth and attack one by one. If they go in guns blazing its just poor writing imo.
I'd agree that Rick's group is generally more hardened than Woodbury. We already saw that Woodbury's guards include people with minimal experience killing (Gargiulo, the chick with the bow who couldn't hit a walker).
Less seriously, Rick's group has insta-headshots, so they've obviously got an advantage. Especially if it comes down to a headshots only game.
My own random thought:
I enjoyed the stark contrast between how Michonne was introduced to Rick's 'good' group and the Governor's 'evil' group. Rick treats her with hostility and scrutiny at first, while the Governor was very friendly and welcoming. In 'regular' society, Rick's hostility would be a red flag that he's dangerous and not to be trusted. In the zombie-world, that hostility is actually the genuine and appropriate response to meeting someone new. The Governor's welcoming is the opposite. Being friendly and welcoming is the norm in our society, but in the zombie-apocalypse, it's a red flag that you're up to no good - that you've got a trick up your sleeve and are just trying to drop their guard.
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Perhaps he's a recluse(boarded up cabin in the middle of the woods to me makes it seem obvious)... maybe when he sees the walkers in the forest he just thinks it's a person and automatically steers clear of them because he doesn't like being around people. Or maybe he kills them when they're on his property with no concern because they're trespassing.
Great episode. I thought it was awesome that we realize how dangerous and effective Rick's group is. The governor was shocked that they took over the prison with so little people.
Perhaps he's a recluse(boarded up cabin in the middle of the woods to me makes it seem obvious)... maybe when he sees the walkers in the forest he just thinks it's a person and automatically steers clear of them because he doesn't like being around people. Or maybe he kills them when they're on his property with no concern because they're trespassing.
Yup, I think it was clear he was unstable. Rotting dog on the floor, sleeps with a shotgun, boarded up home in the middle of nowhere...
Anyone else notice that when the governor had the gun pointed at Maggie Merle gave Glenn the little no head shake as in not to tell him where the prison is?
I think he was shaking his head to tell Glen dont think about it, ie saving Maggie
and I remember seeing Axel shutting the prison gate after they left to go to Woodbury
Id say the only 3 characters that are bullet proof from being killed are Rick, Daryl, & Michonne. They are too popular to off (unless the actors have other gigs lined up and are going to leave the show anyway.
I assume Carl's an untouchable too. Without Carl, Rick has no reason to live. Carl and Judith are his raison d'etre.
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My own random thought:
I enjoyed the stark contrast between how Michonne was introduced to Rick's 'good' group and the Governor's 'evil' group. Rick treats her with hostility and scrutiny at first, while the Governor was very friendly and welcoming. In 'regular' society, Rick's hostility would be a red flag that he's dangerous and not to be trusted. In the zombie-world, that hostility is actually the genuine and appropriate response to meeting someone new. The Governor's welcoming is the opposite. Being friendly and welcoming is the norm in our society, but in the zombie-apocalypse, it's a red flag that you're up to no good - that you've got a trick up your sleeve and are just trying to drop their guard.
The same thing popped into my mind too. The fact that Rick didn't accept Michonne right away let her know he was on the level.
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and I remember seeing Axel shutting the prison gate after they left to go to Woodbury
Yeah, he is seen opening and closing the gate for them as they drive out.
My thoughts on the cabin guy is he was just bat **** crazy. He probably forgot all about the ZA until confronted with, hence the "I'll call the cops!!". ("I am a cop" cracked me up.)
I think the Gov'n is going to kill Meryle for lying to him about Michonne being dead.
The gov'n won't die in the next episode, in the season trailer they showed Rick warning him off at the prison fence.
Wth is with Michonne not telling Rick and crew about Andrea and Meryle? That is potentially dangerous information to withhold.
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I thought Axel went with the group to scout Woodbury but I only saw Rick,Daryl,Oscar and Michonne in the cabin with the one guy...Axel is already one of my favorites.
Glen irks me.I don' like him.I would love if him or Maggie get bit before the end of the season, if not both.The actor who plays Glen is just a dork.
And Chad Coleman aka Dennis "Cutty" Wise is cast as Tyreese?!?!He was my favorite character from The Wire, this is ****ing amazing
