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11-27-2012, 02:13 PM
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Surprising move to release Babin now. Guess this is really going to be the rebuild. Please, Lurie, don't screw this up and let Andy oversee the rebuild. Time to move on.

And for the love of God, NO JON GRUDEN!

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11-27-2012, 02:14 PM
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Surprising move to release Babin now. Guess this is really going to be the rebuild. Please, Lurie, don't screw this up and let Andy oversee the rebuild. Time to move on.

And for the love of God, NO JON GRUDEN!
Babin is a self-absorbed bum. He was a gimmick player on a gimmick DL, glad they let him go.

I do agree with the "no Gruden" though.

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11-27-2012, 02:54 PM
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If Te'o is there when the Eagles draft, they have to take him. They can worry about what to do with Ryans later. I would think Te'o would play outside until they're done with Ryans, which isn't too far in the future either way.
Success rate isn't very good on LBs in the top 10.

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11-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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I remember the day we signed Nnamdi. I was pumped because I thought we were getting an awesome player. Wow was I wrong.
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Maybe it's the homer in me but even with Barkley's lackluster season I would take him before Smith.
I'm not in love with Geno Smith, but you're definitely looking through Trojan glasses.

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11-27-2012, 04:19 PM
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Success rate isn't very good on LBs in the top 10.
2012 = Luke Kuechly by Carolina (9th overall)
2011 = Von Miller by Denver (2nd overall)
2010 = Rolando McClain by Oakland (8th overall)
2009 = Aaron Curry by Seattle (4th overall)
2008 = Keith Rivers by Cincy (9th overall)
2008 = Jerod Mayo by NE (10th overall)
2006 = AJ Hawk by GB (5th overall)
2006 = Ernie Sims by Det (9th overall)
2003 = Terrell Suggs by Bal (10th overall)

Selected over last 10 years in top 10

Miller + Suggs = Superstars
Mayo = Good LB
Hawk = Solid LB in NFL
Kuechly = Looks promising ,, Too early to tell though
Rivers = Injuries have ruined his career
Sims + McClain = Busts
Curry = Absolute bust

Seems about 50/50 you get a productive good LB in NFL

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11-27-2012, 04:29 PM
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I'm not in love with Geno Smith, but you're definitely looking through Trojan glasses.
I'm not sure that's true, to be honest. Aren't there quite a few analysts who believe Barkley will be a better pro-QB than college QB?

Honestly, whenever I see Lane Kiffen on the sideline, I want to five a player the benefit of the doubt. How that dude continues to land choice coaching assignments I'll never know.

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Releasing Babin was step 1. Now they need to release the rest of the team and keep Reid.

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11-27-2012, 04:59 PM
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I'm not sure that's true, to be honest. Aren't there quite a few analysts who believe Barkley will be a better pro-QB than college QB?

Honestly, whenever I see Lane Kiffen on the sideline, I want to five a player the benefit of the doubt. How that dude continues to land choice coaching assignments I'll never know.
Analysts were saying similar things about Leinart. Barkley is just another overhyped USC Qb in my opinion.

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11-27-2012, 05:01 PM
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2012 = Luke Kuechly by Carolina (9th overall)
2011 = Von Miller by Denver (2nd overall)
2010 = Rolando McClain by Oakland (8th overall)
2009 = Aaron Curry by Seattle (4th overall)
2008 = Keith Rivers by Cincy (9th overall)
2008 = Jerod Mayo by NE (10th overall)
2006 = AJ Hawk by GB (5th overall)
2006 = Ernie Sims by Det (9th overall)
2003 = Terrell Suggs by Bal (10th overall)

Selected over last 10 years in top 10

Miller + Suggs = Superstars
Mayo = Good LB
Hawk = Solid LB in NFL
Kuechly = Looks promising ,, Too early to tell though
Rivers = Injuries have ruined his career
Sims + McClain = Busts
Curry = Absolute bust

Seems about 50/50 you get a productive good LB in NFL
Should have been more specific. Traditional LBs. 3-4 LBs who can rush the passer like Miller and Suggs are in a different category.

A good NFL LB is not worth a top 10 pick IMO, unless you are a team like the Patriots with few glaring holes (Mayo).

The last elite LB taken in the top 10 was Urlacher. I like Kuechly but he'll probably fall in the middle of the others.

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11-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Analysts were saying similar things about Leinart. Barkley is just another overhyped USC Qb in my opinion.
Not an unfair point.

I just have my doubts about Smith. Truth be told, I don't think its a year you take a quarterback in the top-half of the 1st round.

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Not an unfair point.

I just have my doubts about Smith. Truth be told, I don't think its a year you take a quarterback in the top-half of the 1st round.
Unfortunately this appears to be the case. Even if Nick Foles struggles for the rest of the year there just doesn't appear to be a franchise QB worth taking with a high 1st round pick. It figures that the Eagles are tanking 1 year too late.

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11-27-2012, 06:47 PM
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We'll probably draft another player for the O-line then.
Which is what's needed. Foles may or not be the future...regardless of that decision, the QB needs a line in front of him to perform. Though after last night, I'd prefer to see a 2-back set or a run-heavy package if/when Reid gets canned.

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11-27-2012, 08:30 PM
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Should have been more specific. Traditional LBs. 3-4 LBs who can rush the passer like Miller and Suggs are in a different category.

A good NFL LB is not worth a top 10 pick IMO, unless you are a team like the Patriots with few glaring holes (Mayo).

The last elite LB taken in the top 10 was Urlacher. I like Kuechly but he'll probably fall in the middle of the others.
I think next year we will see two elite LB's who were 2nd round picks by Dallas In Sean Lee from Penn and Bruce Carter from NC. They look like the real deal. Both are out for the year but what I have seen from then two could be ugly for years to come.

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When you say Penn, do you mean University of Pennsylvania?

It'll be weird to see them produce an NFLer.

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When you say Penn, do you mean University of Pennsylvania?

It'll be weird to see them produce an NFLer.
He means Penn State.

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That would make a lot more sense.

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I think next year we will see two elite LB's who were 2nd round picks by Dallas In Sean Lee from Penn and Bruce Carter from NC. They look like the real deal. Both are out for the year but what I have seen from then two could be ugly for years to come.
The 2nd round (late 1st) is where a lot of good LBs go. It's just better value.

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11-27-2012, 10:34 PM
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When you say Penn, do you mean University of Pennsylvania?

It'll be weird to see them produce an NFLer.
Former New York Giants fullback Jim Finn was a Penn grad.

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Former New York Giants fullback Jim Finn was a Penn grad.
Penn was once really good...in the 40s and before. I would wager Finn is the only recent Penn player to be drafted, but I don't know for sure.

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Penn was once really good...in the 40s and before. I would wager Finn is the only recent Penn player to be drafted, but I don't know for sure.
Last one I recall was Jeff Hatch who was drafted in 2002 by the Giants. He was a lineman that got ruined by injuries and never really played.

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Releasing Babin was step 1. Now they need to release the rest of the team and keep Reid.
you say that with sarcasm! but look at the facts...releasing players and not firing coaches. The team was bad ALL year (general lack of talent). O-line basically a pile of injuries.

the Eagles are piling up excuses so Lurie can keep Reid as head coach. I'm pretty sure when Lurie made the big 8-8 is not good enough statement, he only said changes would be made. He never said anything about changing a coach.

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you say that with sarcasm! but look at the facts...releasing players and not firing coaches. The team was bad ALL year (general lack of talent). O-line basically a pile of injuries.

the Eagles are piling up excuses so Lurie can keep Reid as head coach. I'm pretty sure when Lurie made the big 8-8 is not good enough statement, he only said changes would be made. He never said anything about changing a coach.
I don't think that's the case at all. I think Andy knows he's gone.

But there's no reason to fire him right now, right? Who takes over? Marty? To what end? You can't reach out to any of the likely replacements rights now, because most of them are employed by other clubs.

Besides, we're more likely to lose out with Reid at the helm.

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you say that with sarcasm! but look at the facts...releasing players and not firing coaches. The team was bad ALL year (general lack of talent). O-line basically a pile of injuries.

the Eagles are piling up excuses so Lurie can keep Reid as head coach. I'm pretty sure when Lurie made the big 8-8 is not good enough statement, he only said changes would be made. He never said anything about changing a coach.
Ah, I don't know. I think Reid is finished coaching the Eagles at the end of the year, but I'm not sure he's done with the organization. If he doesn't have interest in leaving Philadelphia I'm sure Lurie will give him an upper management job.

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