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Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI

Damn - 30 pages in a day.

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12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes


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I always wondered what $500M ($25M x 20 years) being flushed down the toilet sounded like...

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As I said to close out the previous topic, must be a really good night to be a non-Glendale resident Yotes fan. You likely get to keep your team and your municipality didn't just effectively kill itself.

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Give them a chance to throw their money away. I mean first of all, JIG doesnt have the money. Second, they need Glendale taxpayer's money, third the Phoenix Coyotes doesnt turn a profit. It all comes down to time.

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Theoretically the deal can be "Broken" right?

Because I imagine we'll be in this same boat 3-5 years from now when the new owners get sick of losing millions annually.

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Few questions:

1.) What is the likelihood Jamison can close the sale by January 31st, 2013?
2.) Why won't he reveal his investors?
3.) How quickly can the new council challenge today's vote once they take office on Jan 16th, 2013, and if they can challenge immediately, does that affect Jamison's legal ability to close the sale?

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Few questions:

1.) What is the likelihood Jamison can close the sale by January 31st, 2013?
2.) Why won't he reveal his investors?
3.) How quickly can the new council challenge today's vote once they take office on Jan 16th, 2013, and if they can challenge immediately, does that affect Jamison's legal ability to close the sale?
Were there new people elected to the council that would likely overturn the vote?

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Oh, I'm sure there'll be months more of legal wrangling.

Here's to thread 66! And many more!

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I do remember quite a bit of "still looking to secure investors" comedy from JIG some time ago. It even made this Coyotes fan face palm and chuckle a few times out of frustration and the absurdity of it.

However, Jamison has been saying for some time now that he's all set.

Why do 9/10 posters in this megathread seem so certain that he's actually broke?

What are you guys basing this on? Every third post in these threads is an absolute statement about Greg Jamison not having any money. Where does this come from?

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Oh, I'm sure there'll be months more of legal wrangling.

Here's to thread 66! And many more!
Certainly hope not. I would hope they're in Seattle or QC by then.

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What are you guys basing this on? Every third post in these threads is an absolute statement about Greg Jamison not having any money. Where does this come from?
Jamison himself really doesn't have money, hence the investors.

Whether or not he has the investors to pony up the money remains to be seen. It's rumor that's been grabbed on to, likely by people (Like myself) who are hoping the hockey gods will finally put this team out of it's misery and move it somewhere it will make money.

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Why do 9/10 posters in this megathread seem so certain that he's actually broke?

What are you guys basing this on? Every third post in these threads is an absolute statement about Greg Jamison not having any money. Where does this come from?
I think you are intelligent enough to know the answer to that. If not, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last several years.

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Few questions:

1.) What is the likelihood Jamison can close the sale by January 31st, 2013?
2.) Why won't he reveal his investors?
3.) How quickly can the new council challenge today's vote once they take office on Jan 16th, 2013, and if they can challenge immediately, does that affect Jamison's legal ability to close the sale?
Let me take a crack at this....
1) Not likely. Lots of legal hurdles...referendum, Goldwater, Jamison having the money, etc.
2) Because either they don't exist or it's the Tohono O'odham tribe that is despised by everyone on council because they are going to setup a casino in Glendale and the council is opposed to it
3) Once the lease is signed by Skeete and Jamison it is very hard. There are penalties I believe for breaking it. Fear not, however, as I don't think everyone can get their ducks inline by Jan 15th. Once Jan 15th rolls around, without a signed and executed agreement, the new council can back out of the deal without repercussion.

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Jamison will receive $15 MM per year for the next 20 years, correct?

Wasn't Moyes asking for $14 MM per year?

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I think you are intelligent enough to know the answer to that. If not, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last several years.
I have a very different confirmation bias than most of you fellas. It's amazing how the respective recollections of shared experiences can vary so tremendously when folks have different perspectives on those events.

If you are suggesting that Jamison has never intended to buy the team from the NHL and that the NHL has never intended to sell it to him, then that's just fine. I'm quite familiar with that theory. It seems far fetched to me personally, but again, you and I have very different perceptions of this insane reality down in Glendale.

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I do remember quite a bit of "still looking to secure investors" comedy from JIG some time ago. It even made this Coyotes fan face palm and chuckle a few times out of frustration and the absurdity of it.

However, Jamison has been saying for some time now that he's all set.

Why do 9/10 posters in this megathread seem so certain that he's actually broke?

What are you guys basing this on? Every third post in these threads is an absolute statement about Greg Jamison not having any money. Where does this come from?
how about the fact that he STILL refuses to tell glendale who is investors are? how about the fact that apparently he is so desperate he went to the ice edge clowns for financial help...the same bozos that cant even buy a minor league hockey team...how about the fact that jamison himself isnt that wealthy..and needs a majority investor..how about the fact that its been 17 months since he entered the picture....

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Jamison himself really doesn't have money, hence the investors.

Whether or not he has the investors to pony up the money remains to be seen. It's rumor that's been grabbed on to, likely by people (Like myself) who are hoping the hockey gods will finally put this team out of it's misery and move it somewhere it will make money.
JIG, JEG, and Jamison are used pretty interchangeably around these parts, IIRC.

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Jamison will receive $15 MM per year for the next 20 years, correct?

Wasn't Moyes asking for $14 MM per year?
The funnier part is how during the Hulsizer deal Glendale was willing to pay $100M for parking rights they already owned, but now they're willing to give it away for free.

Umm... What?

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My take that is short and to the point.

Once again, the City has apporved. NHL and Greg Jamison; Put up or shut up!

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666 in the book of Revelation refers to the Roman Emperor Nero. Who is the person fiddling as Glendale burns? Joyce Clark or Gary Bettman?

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Let me take a crack at this....
1) Not likely. Lots of legal hurdles...referendum, Goldwater, Jamison having the money, etc.
2) Because either they don't exist or it's the Tohono O'odham tribe that is despised by everyone on council because they are going to setup a casino in Glendale and the council is opposed to it
3) Once the lease is signed by Skeete and Jamison it is very hard. There are penalties I believe for breaking it. Fear not, however, as I don't think everyone can get their ducks inline by Jan 15th. Once Jan 15th rolls around, without a signed and executed agreement, the new council can back out of the deal without repercussion.
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This has disaster written all over it. How will Jamison be able to afford to run the team if he does actually end up purchasing the team? The scenario in my head is, Bettman doing everything possible to make sure the team stays in Phoenix even if the owner probably ends up being unable to pay the bills a couple years down the line. I really don't trust Jamison and this entire mess since it first started looked like a shakedown to get even more money out of Glendale and to save face by preventing the second relocation to Canada in just as many years.

I don't think he has enough investors and if he does have enough, they probably aren't keen on spending too much of their money on the Yotes like The Predators ownership group did this offseason. It's probably just a scheme to make even more money for the investors all at the expense of the local tax payers.

I am imagining Jamison just explaining how Glendale and the new revenue sharing plan will basically just pay for the team and they(investors) write themselves massive checks for their incredible commitment to the NHL.

Maybe I am just a cynic and I am way off.

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"When you go out, enjoy those lights. That's probably the last time you'll see them."

Scruggs was talking about Christmas lights here, right? When I first heard it, I pictured street lights being shut off due to budget cuts.

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Ahhhhhhh...... I get it now.

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