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11-28-2012, 02:37 PM
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Okay, new idea. The league totals up how much more the Western teams spend on travel on average and the Eastern teams have to spend that much more on players. That way both teams are spending the same amount of money which, as we all know, is more important than rules regarding competitive advantage.
Except that there's no difference in competitive advantage.

It only makes it easier for a Western team to qualify for the playoffs, they still have to play an 8 team tournament. They just have a better % chance of picking up first round revenue.

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11-28-2012, 02:39 PM
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I agree the people writing the checks do have a legitimate reason to complain. Its the fans who are so concerned about the owner of their teams finances that puzzle me.
Again, because you are a Habs fan.

Fans of smaller markets have a BIG concern over their team's finances, especially where the difference between breaking even or losing money is often in the $1-2M range... also the amount of money that one playoff round can typically generate

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11-28-2012, 02:41 PM
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Ill take a fixed scheduale over re-alignment. Gretzky played all over the NHL yet If I wanna see an eastern star I have to wait 2 years to see a star on home ice. My team can play division rivals 6 times but we cant have a home and home with every team. Somethings wrong with this picture.

Its like another poster said. Crosby was injured when the penguins played in Edmonton so now this season the Oilers play in Pits and then next year Penguins play in Edmonton.

I want to play eastern teams once in their barn and once in mine. These "rivalries" in the west work better then sleeping pills

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11-28-2012, 05:25 PM
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Again, because you are a Habs fan.

Fans of smaller markets have a BIG concern over their team's finances, especially where the difference between breaking even or losing money is often in the $1-2M range... also the amount of money that one playoff round can typically generate
I have no problem with increasing revenue sharing. I have a problem with giving teams an unfair advantage in their chances of making the playoffs.

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11-28-2012, 05:26 PM
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Except that there's no difference in competitive advantage.

It only makes it easier for a Western team to qualify for the playoffs
, they still have to play an 8 team tournament. They just have a better % chance of picking up first round revenue.
... um... yeah...

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11-28-2012, 05:30 PM
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How about every year, a different big time eastern team gets put in the Central division in place of Detroit? One year Philly, the next the Rangers, then the Bruins, then the Leafs, then the Habs, then Detroit again, etc.



I think fans are more concerned about the times that road games start.

About the travel, for fans it's probably more to do with travel possibly playing a part in the performance of a team than the money it takes to get from one place to another.
I think the NHLs proposed 4 division with 2 east, 1 central, 1 west is the best way to do it. Wasn't it something like 6 vs division teams and 2 for every other team. That seems pretty fair IMO and would solve a lot of the time difference problems.

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11-28-2012, 06:15 PM
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... um... yeah...


They still have to play 82 games and finish in the top 8. They still have to win 3 rounds of playoffs to reach the finals.

My preference is for a two team expansion (Quebec, Seattle), but if the league HAS to go to their four conference idea with unbalanced conferences, the only sensible thing is to make the two conferences of seven in the central and west.

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11-28-2012, 06:17 PM
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It splits up Detroit/Chicago so a big no from me

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11-28-2012, 06:22 PM
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They still have to play 82 games and finish in the top 8. They still have to win 3 rounds of playoffs to reach the finals.

My preference is for a two team expansion (Quebec, Seattle), but if the league HAS to go to their four conference idea with unbalanced conferences, the only sensible thing is to make the two conferences of seven in the central and west.
It is much easier to finish in the top 8 when there is 14 teams than 16. What do you not get about that?

If it is four conferences of 8-8-7-7 then having it unbalanced is unavoidable. If it is two conferences it is ridiculous to have 16-14 for no reason.

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11-28-2012, 06:43 PM
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It is much easier to finish in the top 8 when there is 14 teams than 16. What do you not get about that?
I do get it, that's the entire point of doing it that way.

The east also gets an advantage, less travel.

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11-28-2012, 06:46 PM
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I do get it, that's the entire point of doing it that way.

The east also gets an advantage, less travel.
A couple of years ago I was at a 'State of the Sharks' and GM Doug Wilson brought up the fact that the Capitals did not have to leave their time zone for the last 60 games of the season, they already have that advantage, and will when the league map is how it is in the NHL.

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I hope that if/when this lockout ends, the league really takes steps to move forward with re-alignment. there's good potential for a Jets/Wild rivalry.

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11-28-2012, 07:01 PM
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I hope that if/when this lockout ends, the league really takes steps to move forward with re-alignment. there's good potential for a Jets/Wild rivalry.
You can add the Stars in that mix. You can pretty much head directly South/North from Winnipeg to Dallas. Does I-35 go into Manitoba?

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11-28-2012, 07:07 PM
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You can add the Stars in that mix. You can pretty much head directly South/North from Winnipeg to Dallas. Does I-35 go into Manitoba?
I-29 goes to Manitoba, I believe you make the switch in Kansas City.

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11-28-2012, 07:32 PM
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I-29 goes to Manitoba, I believe you make the switch in Kansas City.
O okay. I just figured 35 went into Manitoba. I know you can take it from south Texas all the way to north Minnesota.

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11-28-2012, 08:40 PM
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Northwest: Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Minnesota
Pacific: San Jose, Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Colorado
Central: Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Nashville, Dallas

Northeast: Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo, Boston
Atlantic: New York Islanders, New York Rangers, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Southeast: Washington, Columbus, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Florida

This doesn't really solve any travel problems for the northwest div, except that there would be more games north, rather than going down to Colorado. This more so helps travel and getting Winnipeg in the division, not time zone games. It really helps Colorado in travel as well.

This makes, in my opinion, the pacific division a lot lighter for travel. Dallas gets many more games closer to their time zone and distance wise it helps them as well.

This will make the central division have a bit more travel. No real upside for the division as a whole, just Dallas.

Northeast Division remains stable.

Southeast gets rid of Winnipeg, and keeps very sheltered travel schedule in tact.

Atlantic div remains stable.


Also, Columbus ad Nashville could switch spots, really.

All in all, I think the only division this doesn't help to some extent is Central...and they are probably the worst as it is, so I don't know if this is really that viable.

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11-28-2012, 10:15 PM
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Scrap it all.

Make five six-team conferences.

Pacific:
Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vancouver

Central:
Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Phoenix, St. Louis, Winnipeg

Northeast:
Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto

Atlantic:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittburgh

Southeast
Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington

Either run the season with 4xdivision+2xnon-division (78 games), or 6xdivision+2xnon-division (88 games). Increase roster maximum to 26 for the latter option.

Playoffs are seeded 1-16, with division winners receiving an automatic top-8 seed (but not guaranteed top 5). This allows for any potential series matchups to occur in any round, rather than the current situation which will never allow a Toronto/Montreal or Boston/Montreal finals, or any such rivalry series between close regional teams. Imagine the insanity in the Big Apple and the media if it were a New York (R) vs. New York (I) finals?

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11-28-2012, 11:11 PM
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Scrap it all.

Make five six-team conferences.

Pacific:
Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vancouver

Central:
Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Phoenix, St. Louis, Winnipeg

Northeast:
Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto


Atlantic:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittburgh

Southeast
Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington

Either run the season with 4xdivision+2xnon-division (78 games), or 6xdivision+2xnon-division (88 games). Increase roster maximum to 26 for the latter option.

Playoffs are seeded 1-16, with division winners receiving an automatic top-8 seed (but not guaranteed top 5). This allows for any potential series matchups to occur in any round, rather than the current situation which will never allow a Toronto/Montreal or Boston/Montreal finals, or any such rivalry series between close regional teams. Imagine the insanity in the Big Apple and the media if it were a New York (R) vs. New York (I) finals?
Excuse me?

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11-28-2012, 11:42 PM
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Scrap it all.

Make five six-team conferences.

Pacific:
Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, San Jose, Vancouver

Central:
Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Phoenix, St. Louis, Winnipeg

Northeast:
Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto

Atlantic:
Buffalo, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittburgh

Southeast
Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Washington
You came so close to putting all of the O-6 in the same Division. But I say, forget the 5-Division/Conference idea, and split the O-6 between two Conferences, 3 in one Division and 3 in another:

......
PACIFICNORTHEAST
VancouverMontreal
San JoseBoston
Los AngelesNY Rangers
AnaheimNY Islanders
PhoenixNew Jersey
? ?
GREAT LAKESNORTHWEST
ChicagoMinnesota
DetroitWinnipeg
TorontoEdmonton
BuffaloCalgary
OttawaColorado
? ?
CENTRALATLANTIC
DallasPittsburgh
St LouisPhiladelphia
NashvilleWashington
ColumbusTampa Bay
CarolinaFlorida
? ?

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11-29-2012, 12:19 AM
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You came so close to putting all of the O-6 in the same Division. But I say, forget the 5-Division/Conference idea, and split the O-6 between two Conferences, 3 in one Division and 3 in another:

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PACIFICNORTHEAST
VancouverMontreal
San JoseBoston
Los AngelesNY Rangers
AnaheimNY Islanders
PhoenixNew Jersey
? ?
GREAT LAKESNORTHWEST
ChicagoMinnesota
DetroitWinnipeg
TorontoEdmonton
BuffaloCalgary
OttawaColorado
? ?
CENTRALATLANTIC
DallasPittsburgh
St LouisPhiladelphia
NashvilleWashington
ColumbusTampa Bay
CarolinaFlorida
? ?
I guess I just fail at seeing why the idea of having Minnesota, Winnipeg and Dallas is not a good idea. Throw St. Louis in there and the division is almost complete.


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11-29-2012, 12:32 AM
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My re-alignment idea:

Pacific: Anaheim, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver
Northwest: Calgary, Colorado, Edmonton, Minnesota, Winnipeg
Central: Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis

Northeast: Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
Atlantic: New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Southeast: Carolina, Columbus, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington

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I guess I just fail at seeing why the idea of having Minnesota, Winnipeg and Dallas is not a good idea. Throw St. Louis in there and the division is almost complete.
I like the idea. A Jets rivalry would be pretty awesome.

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id like to see atlanta, georgia get a hockey team. and move them to the southeast.

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You came so close to putting all of the O-6 in the same Division. But I say, forget the 5-Division/Conference idea, and split the O-6 between two Conferences, 3 in one Division and 3 in another:

......
PACIFICNORTHEAST
VancouverMontreal
San JoseBoston
Los AngelesNY Rangers
AnaheimNY Islanders
PhoenixNew Jersey
? ?
GREAT LAKESNORTHWEST
ChicagoMinnesota
DetroitWinnipeg
TorontoEdmonton
BuffaloCalgary
OttawaColorado
? ?
CENTRALATLANTIC
DallasPittsburgh
St LouisPhiladelphia
NashvilleWashington
ColumbusTampa Bay
CarolinaFlorida
? ?
Split up the O6 teams. Everyone gets a taste of real hockey.

East: NYI, NJ, Phi, Was
Central: Ott, Buf, Pit, Clb
West: SJ, LA, Ana, Phx

East: Car, TB, Fla, Nas
Central: StL, Dal, Min, Wpg
West: Van, Edm, Cal, Col

Det, Bos, Mtl, Tor, NYR, and Chi all rotate from one division to the next every year. Only no team can be in the western divisions two years in a row.

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In my opinion, any option that doesn't put each Eastern time zone team in the East, and get Dallas out of the pacific, is a bad option.

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