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11-29-2012, 12:19 PM
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I think you may be onto something with this one. But perhaps switch Colorado with Vancouver and switch Minnesota with Dallas. That way you got the Western Canadian division (with Minnesota). Dallas would be close to their division and Colorado would be close to their division.

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11-29-2012, 12:38 PM
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I think you may be onto something with this one. But perhaps switch Colorado with Vancouver and switch Minnesota with Dallas. That way you got the Western Canadian division (with Minnesota). Dallas would be close to their division and Colorado would be close to their division.
And Colorado/Minnesota now get their games at later times regularly than their own time zones.

I honestly believe time zones > travel time.

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11-29-2012, 12:42 PM
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I think you may be onto something with this one. But perhaps switch Colorado with Vancouver and switch Minnesota with Dallas. That way you got the Western Canadian division (with Minnesota). Dallas would be close to their division and Colorado would be close to their division.
And Detroit is the only ETZ team in the West. Minnesota might not be crazy about it either.

Maybe it's been karma winning for Detroit all these years, being the only team, other than Columbus(even karma has its limits), having to shoulder such a burden. In 1998, Toronto got out of what was the Western Conference by another name, and they've hit a pretty bad part of their history since then. Not right away, but eventually it happened.

There are just too many issues to make 3 divisions work in the West, no matter how the round peg gets forced into the square hole.

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11-29-2012, 12:45 PM
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I honestly believe time zones > travel time.
In the West. In the East, it's all about rivalries. Two different conferences, two different sets of issues, one size box for all of them.

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11-29-2012, 12:55 PM
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I think you may be onto something with this one. But perhaps switch Colorado with Vancouver and switch Minnesota with Dallas. That way you got the Western Canadian division (with Minnesota). Dallas would be close to their division and Colorado would be close to their division.
More time zones involved though.

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11-29-2012, 12:56 PM
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In the West. In the East, it's all about rivalries. Two different conferences, two different sets of issues, one size box for all of them.
Proximity helps a lot with rivalries; and that's why I think the east should allow more flexibility with alignment, because in most cases there is a lot of proximity almost no matter which way to group the teams in the east.


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11-29-2012, 12:59 PM
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Lets give this a try, if I can rermber right...

Prince of Whale (Conference) - British Monarchy (cant say who was there when that was created though)
C.F. Adams (Division) - Former Boston Bruins Owner
Lester Patrick (Division) - Former NY Rangers goalie

Clarence Campbell (Conference) - Former NHL President who suspended M. Richard during the NHL Playoffs
James Norris (Division) - Former Owner of the Detroit Red Wings
Conn Smythe (Division) - Former Maple Leafs owner
Heh... Prince of Whale.

Like the idea of 6 conferences, but would prefer the 'Nucks stayed in a division with the Oilers and the Flames.. Going with the 4 conference idea.

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11-29-2012, 01:21 PM
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Just give Saskatoon a team already. Saskatchewan needs a team.

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11-29-2012, 01:32 PM
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11-29-2012, 01:39 PM
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Proximity helps a lot with rivalries; and that's why I think the east should allow more flexibility with alignment, because in most cases there is a lot of proximity almost no matter which way to group the teams in the east.
No question. Which could go into what a Nashville fan was talking about a page back or so. Going with 16 teams in the East, and 14 in the West. The eastern conference teams certainly have a travel advantage, and probably a rivalry advantage(as long as they're not hidden away in the SE), simply because of geographic reality. Can't do much about that. What could be done to even things out a bit is to give the teams in the western conference some sort of advantage simply because of the geographic reality they face, which could be fewer teams competing for 8 playoff spots.

Whatever happens, something needs to change for the now 6 teams in the central time zone, along with Detroit and Columbus.

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11-29-2012, 02:25 PM
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Whatever happens, something needs to change for the now 6 teams in the central time zone
Split 'em. Put Chicago, Minnesota, and Winnipeg together in one division, and Dallas, St. Louis, and Nashville together in another. Distribute ETZ clubs as appropriate to fill the divisions. This makes more clubs share in some time-zone burdens (though it's only one zone) but still keeps divisions relatively compact.

Keeping all 6 CTZ clubs together makes for too many headaches in trying to equitably distribute the ETZ clubs.

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11-29-2012, 03:35 PM
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Split up the O6 teams. Everyone gets a taste of real hockey.

East: NYI, NJ, Phi, Was
Central: Ott, Buf, Pit, Clb
West: SJ, LA, Ana, Phx

East: Car, TB, Fla, Nas
Central: StL, Dal, Min, Wpg
West: Van, Edm, Cal, Col

Det, Bos, Mtl, Tor, NYR, and Chi all rotate from one division to the next every year. Only no team can be in the western divisions two years in a row.
What?

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11-29-2012, 03:37 PM
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That does nothing for us. So the Stars go from a division with no teams in the central to another division with no teams in the central?
Well, at least the teams in your division are only one time zone away instead of two. There's that.

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11-29-2012, 04:07 PM
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lol @ any alignment that gives consideration to the Original Farce... as if that means anything.

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lol @ any alignment that gives consideration to the Original Farce... as if that means anything.
Ultimately, I agree with you,... the O-6 shouldn't get any more priority than should "traditional" rivals. Re-alignment the League should start with having all the teams on equal ground, and create the best possible alignment that works essentially equally well for every team in the League. No special priorities or privileges given to this or that group of teams.

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I don't even want the Rangers to be in an O6 division. The Rangers current rivalries are more important to me than rivalries of over 45 years ago.

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How about....

Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota
Southwest: San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado, Phoenix
Central: Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Columbus

Southeast: Nashville, Washington, Carolina, Florida, Tampa
Northeast: Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo, Ottawa
Atlantic: New York, New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh

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How about....

Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota
Southwest: San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado, Phoenix
Central: Chicago, Dallas, St. Louis, Detroit, Columbus

Southeast: Nashville, Washington, Carolina, Florida, Tampa
Northeast: Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Buffalo, Ottawa
Atlantic: New York, New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
The Northwest just won't work with two teams in the Central, two teams in Mountain and one team in Pacific. Take Vancouver out and put Colorado in.

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The Northwest just won't work with two teams in the Central, two teams in Mountain and one team in Pacific. Take Vancouver out and put Colorado in.
does 2 hours time difference really affect it all that much

5:30/7:30....meh

I'm sure Vancouver would still rather 6 games less than 1.5 hours away and a couple big flights to minny and wpg than flights that are all 2.5hrs plus to california and phoenix...imo

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The Northwest just won't work with two teams in the Central, two teams in Mountain and one team in Pacific. Take Vancouver out and put Colorado in.
Not saying that you're right or wrong; but I will ask this question: "Won't work" for who/which teams?

You think Vancouver wouldn't accept that arrangement in order to stay with the Alberta teams? And which other team would get more hurt by such a Division? Vancouver would primarily be the odd-guy out.

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The NHL really needs a team in Seattle. The map would look a lot better if the Coyotes were moved to the Emerald City.

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No team should have to regularly play more than 1 time zone away. Travel is not the problem it once was.

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No team should have to regularly play more than 1 time zone away. Travel is not the problem it once was.
East: NYR, NYI, NJ, Phi, Pit, Was, Car

North: Bos, Mtl, Ott, Tor, Buf, Min, Wpg

MidSouth?: Det, Clb, Chi, Nas, StL, TB, Fla, Dal

West: Van, Edm, Cal, SJ, LA, Ana, Col, Phx

It takes the 3 divisions that work well, the NE, Atlantic, and Central, and builds from there. It gets rid of the 2 divisions that span 3 time zones. It gets rid of a division that is sort of hidden away under the carpet. It puts Winnipeg with other Canadian teams, without spanning 3 time zones, or breaking up any other Canadian teams. No US team is in an otherwise all Canadian division. All the main division rivalries stay intact.

As for the uneven 8-8-7-7 split, just beat the teams you're in a playoff race with, and you don't have to worry about it. The playoffs would have to be top 4 in each conference, because nobody wants to be exclusively connected to the west coast teams, because of all the travel and late starts. Unless you did it on a rotating basis, where one year the East is connected to the West, then the next year the North, etc.

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^^ Well done. I might toss CLB a bone and put them in the East; they can't seem to get any rivalries going with their Central adversaries (yes it's partly because they suck), so why not give them a shot with the East teams and see if you can ignite a bit of a CLB/NYR rivalry with Nash's presence on the Rangers. Also gives CLB more games in their own time zone.

DET is still left with FLA & TB as ETZ opponents even if they're not ideal ones.

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East: NYR, NYI, NJ, Phi, Pit, Was, Car

North: Bos, Mtl, Ott, Tor, Buf, Min, Wpg

MidSouth?: Det, Clb, Chi, Nas, StL, TB, Fla, Dal

West: Van, Edm, Cal, SJ, LA, Ana, Col, Phx

It takes the 3 divisions that work well, the NE, Atlantic, and Central, and builds from there. It gets rid of the 2 divisions that span 3 time zones. It gets rid of a division that is sort of hidden away under the carpet. It puts Winnipeg with other Canadian teams, without spanning 3 time zones, or breaking up any other Canadian teams. No US team is in an otherwise all Canadian division. All the main division rivalries stay intact.

As for the uneven 8-8-7-7 split, just beat the teams you're in a playoff race with, and you don't have to worry about it. The playoffs would have to be top 4 in each conference, because nobody wants to be exclusively connected to the west coast teams, because of all the travel and late starts. Unless you did it on a rotating basis, where one year the East is connected to the West, then the next year the North, etc.
Interesting take. Nice to see someone think outside the box. I love the 4 conference idea and think every team should have a home and home. As far as the uneven split I wouldn't mind seeing a crossover rule similar to the CFL. It would be kind of cool knowing that technically any 2 teams could play in a final.

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