Taylor vs Tyler

[Angelus]

Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil

So uhh I guess Seguin would've gotten more than 6 points in the 20 minutes that Hall has on him?

20 minutes? Is that it? The way these Bruins fans keep bleating that Hall had more minutes per game you'd think it would be, you know....significant lol.

[wKetch22]

Originally Posted by oil4life14

Looks pretty even to me. Give m the winger who can keep up to the center all day every day. Lets have a look at the top ten forwards of all time and the position they played.

Gretzky C
Messier C
Howe RW
Francis C
Dionne C
Yzerman C
Lemieux C
Jagr RW
Sakic C
Esposito C

Notice a trend there? Centerman are supposed to produce more than the wingers. It's rare to have a winger that can produce like the top centerman in the game. The fact that Hall is able to produce as good or arguably better than Seguin (top ranked center in his draft year), speaks volumes of his abilities.

You guys go ahead and hide behind the he's hurt all the time excuse though.

Seguin hasnt been playing center though...

[Cawz]

Originally Posted by Bryanbryoil

Our transition game has been garbage for the most part, with a hopefully healthy Whitney, Petry a year older and hopefully better, a full season of a steady presence like Nick Schultz, and an overall high end offensive talent like J. Schultz hopefully that will change and it will really improve our offensive production.

Exactly. People can talk about Hall’s linemates all they want, but a bigger factor in affecting someone’s points is having defensemen that can get the puck out of their zone. That’s why I posted all the Oilers that had career years playing with Pronger. Its no coincidence that playing with a Norris-caliber dman will help your game – something that Seguin had, being gifted to a contending team.

Hopefully Whitney can stay healthy and Schultz proves to be the real deal so we can start to see that with the Oilers. Its just funny that everyone says the Oilers have the worst d in the league that cant hold the line and cant keep the puck out of their zone, and somehow that’s supposed to boost Hall’s production.

[CaptainCally24]

Tyler

[The Perfect Human]

Oiler fans have a tough time conceding defeat in this argument. I'd like to see the vote breakdown of this poll to see how non-Bruin, non-Oiler fans voted.

[doubledown99]

Originally Posted by Hemsky_83

Oiler fans have a tough time conceding defeat in this argument. I'd like to see the vote breakdown of this poll to see how non-Bruin, non-Oiler fans voted.

I think you have tough time of letting go. Why bring back a nearly 3 month old thread?

What you bored? Go find something better to do than bring back a comparison that is pointless because neither has played an NHL game yet this season. Trying to make a judgement on this at this point is retarded. Look back in 5-10 years and judge for yourself at that point

[VeddarRants]

I think both are about equal offensively, but Seguin is better defensively. Hall is more physical, but Seguin has been less injury prone than Hall.

Overall Seguin is better, but it's close.

[MessierII]

Tyler being better defensively is NOT true. Hall faced substantially stiffer competition and still produced at a higher PPG.

[Kaoz]

Originally Posted by MessierII

Tyler being better defensively is NOT true. Hall faced substantially stiffer competition and still produced at a higher PPG.

Stiffer competition? The only people that took the Oilers seriously the past three years have been Oiler fans.

How many backups goalies did Hall get to face last year? How do you quantify stiffer competition when one guy played top 6 on the last place team and the other the top 6 on the reigning champions?

[MessierII]

Originally Posted by Kaoz

Stiffer competition? The only people that took the Oilers seriously the past three years have been Oiler fans.

How many backups goalies did Hall get to face last year? How do you quantify stiffer competition when one guy played top 6 of the last place team and the other the top 6 of the reigning champions?

Tougher line matchups.

[VeddarRants]

Originally Posted by MessierII

Tyler being better defensively is NOT true. Hall faced substantially stiffer competition and still produced at a higher PPG.

I don't equate defensive skills with being able to produce offense.

Watching these two play, I see Seguin as more defensively responsible and higher defensive IQ. A lot of that credit goes to coach Julien who preached tough love in regards to Seguin improving his two-way game his rookie season. I watched Hall make mistake after mistake defensively his rookie year without his ice-time suffering and it's understandable because the Oilers were not a playoff/Cup contender. Julien even commented after the Bruins/Oilers game that Hall would be getting the same short leash treatment Seguin received. There was a difference in each player's defensive skills and the improvements made in Year Two and the guy who impressed the most defensively between the two was Seguin.

[MessierII]

Originally Posted by VeddarRants

I don't equate defensive skills with being able to produce offense.

Watching these two play, I see Seguin as more defensively responsible and higher defensive IQ. A lot of that credit goes to coach Julien who preached tough love in regards to Seguin improving his two-way game his rookie season. I watched Hall make mistake after mistake defensively his rookie year without his ice-time suffering and it's understandable because the Oilers were not a playoff/Cup contender. Julien even commented after the Bruins/Oilers game that Hall would be getting the same short leash treatment Seguin received. There was a difference in each player's defensive skills and the improvements made in Year Two and the guy who impressed the most defensively between the two was Seguin.

Doesn't change the fact that when Hall is on the ice his team spends more time in the offensive zone than Seguins. Hall drives the play.

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Originally Posted by MessierII

Tougher line matchups.

Yeah because the Marchand/Bergy/Seguin line always had the stiffs playing against them. Ridiculous argument.

Plus, I'd actually love to know how many backups the Oilers played last year.

[MessierII]

Halls Corsi Rel QoC is .858 compared to Seguins .389 meaning Hall is more effective at keeping his team on the offense when matched against the other teams top lines. He's the one driving his line.

[VeddarRants]

Originally Posted by MessierII

Halls Corsi Rel QoC is .858 compared to Seguins .389 meaning Hall is more effective at keeping his team on the offense when matched against the other teams top lines. He's the one driving his line.

That doesn't mean anything in regards to defensive ability. Hall's Rel QoC is better than Bergeron's and we all know he's not in the same galaxy as Bergeron defensively. Use your eyes.

[MessierII]

Originally Posted by VeddarRants

That doesn't mean anything in regards to defensive ability. Hall's Rel QoC is better than Bergeron's and we all know he's not in the same galaxy as Bergeron defensively. Use your eyes.

No but he drives the play better than both them. If anything it shows the gap isn't as wide as it appears. Hall is the one who makes his line go Seguin is not. If Hall was half as horrible defensively as you guys make him out to be he wouldn't be spending minimal amounts of time in the defensive zone he'd be getting pined down there all the time. Regardless, at this point in their careers they're both primarily offensive players. Hall is the better offensive player at this point.